Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault

[Korpse]

I was gonna say, sounds more like a Canada issue than anything else.

If anything there's more of a willingness to uncover these issues in Canada. These issues aren't limited to one sport or country.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

I was gonna say, sounds more like a Canada issue than anything else.

If you think this is limited to Canada.. oh boy.

Allegations against Kristian Huselies and Andreas Lilja come to mind, as well as Slava Voynov.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I was gonna say, sounds more like a Canada issue than anything else.

This is beyond naive. American campuses are rife with rape and sexual assault. I can't speak for Northern Europe, I have no exposure to the sport culture over there. Something tells me it's not squeaky clean, either.

 

[Kiekura]

If anything there's more of a willingness to uncover these issues in Canada. These issues aren't limited to one sport or country.

Its more like men with fame and power thinking they can do anything.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

This song is from 2000.

 

[Voight]

I dont know, 19 years later this news comes out? I get were in the MeToo and cancel culture era but I feel like even in 2003 this would have been news.

Could hurt MAFs hall of fame chances.

 

[Zach716]

Get a grip.

Sexual assault victims typically have a very hard time going forward. Attitudes seem to be changing and more victims finally have the courage to go public now. Just because someone didn't have the gusto to go forward until now, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Also, this could have been something that was complained about but was swept under the rug or possibly covered up by hockey Canada.

Edit: The victims in these assaults are often teenage girls (as young as 14). Doesn't surprise me at all that many would wait until they are in their 20s to come forward.

Get a grip?

The timing is of interest due to the status another case. Instead of going all gung-ho any time a rumor comes out, try thinking critically.

As much as this could lead to something horrific, this could be something HC is using to put out there full of holes to discredit the other case that very may be legitimate. We don’t know yet.

I’ll never get the point of being intentionally obtuse and in attack mode 24/7.

The victim(s) wouldn’t be in their 20s by the way, it would likely be late 30s early 40s now if this case has any legs.

 

[Love]

Quote from Jordin Tootoo's biographical book, All The Way: My Life on Ice with respect to the 2003 World Juniors

**A quote does not imply guilt.**

> The other teams had some future stars, too, including a seventeen-year-old playing for Russia who no one had ever heard of before named Alexander Ovechkin.

> But frick, we were just kids back then. The shit that we did. . . . We were horny young men. We were in Halifax and we had every goddamned girl hitting on us. What are you going to do? *Let's start slaying these broads.* And it wasn't just one-on one action. A few of the guys would get a couple of girls after practice and head into one of the rooms. Enough said.

> We went undefeated through the preliminary round and then beat the Americans 3-2 in the semifinals. The Russians were undefeated as well when we met them in the finals. Of course, Canada versus Russia has been the big hockey rivalry going all the way back to 1972. It felt like the whole country was watching us.

This quote by Jordin Tootoo is specifically referring to THAT team at THAT competition.

Taken from Reddit.

Ewwww what a bunch of disgusting pigs. Just repugnant.

 

[red devil]

The player told the camera operator that viewers were about to see "a f---ing lamb roast,” the three sources said. After the hallway interview, the camera was then carried into a room with a pool table, the source said.

The video shows roughly a half-dozen players taking turns having sex with a woman who was non-responsive and lying face up on the pool table, the source said.

 

[Voight]

If you think this is limited to Canada.. oh boy.

Allegations against Kristian Huselies and Andreas Lilja come to mind, as well as Slava Voynov.

Didn't Voynovs wife retract her allegations?

 

[Love]

The roster:

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Get a grip?

The timing is of interest due to the status another case. Instead of going all gung-ho any time a rumor comes out, try thinking critically.

As much as this could lead to something horrific, this could be something HC is using to put out there full of holes to discredit the other case that very may be legitimate. We don’t know yet.

I’ll never get the point of being intentionally obtuse and in attack mode 24/7.

It seems to be the most common defence for people who don't believe victims to attack others as being less capable of thinking critically.

Y'all really think highly of yourselves, don't you?

19 years doesn't matter. Maybe the woman has been living a tortured life because she was assaulted, and she said "f*** it, you ruined my prospects in life, you owe me". Or maybe she wants to protect other women out there now that she knows she's not alone.

 

[super6646]

What the f***?!

 

[Zach716]

It seems to be the most common defence for people who don't believe victims to attack others as being less capable of thinking critically.

Y'all really think highly of yourselves, don't you?

19 years doesn't matter. Maybe the woman has been living a tortured life because she was assaulted, and she said "f*** it, you ruined my prospects in life, you owe me". Or maybe she wants to protect other women out there now that she knows she's not alone.

In other words, maybe a bunch of things?

 

[blankall]

Get a grip?

The timing is of interest due to the status another case. Instead of going all gung-ho any time a rumor comes out, try thinking critically.

As much as this could lead to something horrific, this could be something HC is using to put out there full of holes to discredit the other case that very may be legitimate. We don’t know yet.

I’ll never get the point of being intentionally obtuse and in attack mode 24/7.

One person coming forward often gives another victim the courage to do so themselves.

Obviously, innocent until proven guilty, but we've got multiple witnesses confirming the account of assault. It also may not even be the victim coming forward here:

"Mr. Westhead informed Hockey Canada he has spoken to multiple witnesses who provided him with explicit descriptions of an assault,

Suggests it was witnesses racked by guilt about not reporting it early who are now coming forward. Probably inspired by people coming forward in the other allegation.

 

[Kiekura]

You can be 100% sure there is going to be much more reveals coming. Victims seeing that others are coming out and talking will lead to others start talking too and they should.


There are massive problems with hockey.

 

[Del Preston]

The player told the camera operator that viewers were about to see "a f---ing lamb roast,” the three sources said. After the hallway interview, the camera was then carried into a room with a pool table, the source said.

The video shows roughly a half-dozen players taking turns having sex with a woman who was non-responsive and lying face up on the pool table, the source said.

Jesus.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

One person coming forward often gives another victim the courage to do so themselves.

Obviously, innocent until proven guilty, but we've got multiple witnesses confirming the account of assault. It also may not even be the victim coming forward here:



Suggests it was witnesses racked by guilt about not reporting it early who are now coming forward. Probably inspired by people coming forward in the other allegation.

Imagine people thinking it's wrong that abuse victims are going public, because they think it took them too long.

That's the 2nd time today I've read someone complain about it being long overdue, as if that somehow makes the rape less rapey.

 

[9911]

If anything there's more of a willingness to uncover these issues in Canada. These issues aren't limited to one sport or country.

An analogy is the Indian residential school system. A NY Times article I read with rife with Canadian criticisms (rightfully so), but the US had an identical system, with the same systematic abuses, which is unknown to most Americans.

 

[PostBradMalone]

As much as this could lead to something horrific, this could be something HC is using to put out there full of holes to discredit the other case that very may be legitimate.

Off-topic, but did you really love a film called "Loose Change" back in the day?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The player told the camera operator that viewers were about to see "a f---ing lamb roast,” the three sources said. After the hallway interview, the camera was then carried into a room with a pool table, the source said.

The video shows roughly a half-dozen players taking turns having sex with a woman who was non-responsive and lying face up on the pool table, the source said.

What the f***

 

[I am toxic]

 

[Angry Little Elf]

The player told the camera operator that viewers were about to see "a f---ing lamb roast,” the three sources said. After the hallway interview, the camera was then carried into a room with a pool table, the source said.

The video shows roughly a half-dozen players taking turns having sex with a woman who was non-responsive and lying face up on the pool table, the source said.

I’m sick to my stomach. Holy shit. That’s gross. That poor girl

The lack of humanity is deplorable

 

[Nikki Potnick]

Breaking News: turns out hockey culture is pretty toxic

If you think this is limited to Canada.. oh boy.

Allegations against Kristian Huselies and Andreas Lilja come to mind, as well as Slava Voynov.

It's not, but Canada seems to be the biggest (by large) culprit of hockey related sexual assaults. To say it's a hockey culture problem is ridiculous, it happens in all sports.

This is beyond naive. American campuses are rife with rape and sexual assault. I can't speak for Northern Europe, I have no exposure to the sport culture over there. Something tells me it's not squeaky clean, either.

Original poster was referring to hockey culture and sexual assault, what happens in other schools/sports is irrelevant to my comment.

Here's why sexual assaults are less of a problem in Canada

There are fewer violent crimes in Canada in general, professor Cecilia Benoit said.

www.usatoday.com

Still far better here than in the US, just like in pretty much every other measurable way. Progress is still needed, but we are a relative leader.

Not when it comes to hockey it seems. As I said above, we're talking about hockey related sexual assault.

America is probably just as bad if not worse when it comes to their other major sports. Seems like there is an issue with athletes (or really anyone in power positions) and sexual assault. Has nothing to do with hockey culture as people like to keep bringing up.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The people who say this isn't limited to hockey culture would be correct. It is more so a people being propped up on a pedestal at a young age believing that there are no consequences for their shitty actions. Might start with them bullying someone in school but because they play a sport good it gets swept under the rug, by the time they are 19 they think they are untouchable. In Canada it is hockey athletes that are put on this pedestal. In the States it is Football/Basketball. In England it is Soccer players. But the hockey community isn't going to fix the problems in the soccer community, they have to take care of their own house and right now Hockey's house is a f***ing mess and needs to be cleaned up and fast. I have heard some pretty f***ed up stories from girls who were around junior hockey social circles.