Canada vs Russia

[Den]

I'm sure when we all watch russian television that they show the names of our water boys. I would consider it mannerless that russian television wouldn't even provide broadcasting for russian hockey fans.

May be. I don't know. I live in Canada and watch TSN.

Its mannerless that a canadian tv station provides hockey coverage to an exhibition game involving russia to a russian hockey fan... now thats mannerless...whatever mannerless means...

So TSN provided hockey coverage to me, Russian fan??? Oh, I am a stupid, unthankful ****. Thank you, thank you TSN!!!

 

[Sammy*]

May be. I don't know. I live in Canada and watch TSN.



So TSN provided hockey coverage to me, Russian fan??? Oh, I am a stupid, unthankful ****. Thank you, thank you TSN!!!

 

[Den]

How much respect do russians deserve? they haven't won anything in ages.

Aren't we in the WJHC thread here? But that's fine. I also don't think that yesterday's team deserves any respect.

They got spanked by canada in the Challenge Series...

What's Challenge Series?

What has russia done to get respect? Except have a russian hockey fan complain that tsn won't show some no name coaches name. They would probably be offended if his name wasn't shown in russian. Russians will use any excuse to be upset...

This is blathering. Not giving the coach's name when you introduce a team is rude. I am sure you would have noticed that if that was the Canadian side....

 

[Sammy*]

Aren't we in the WJHC thread here? But that's fine. I also don't think that yesterday's team deserves any respect.


What's Challenge Series?



This is blathering. Not giving the coach's name when you introduce a team is rude. I am sure you would have noticed that if that was the Canadian side....

What dont you understand? No one cares about the donkeys name. They dont care who the name of the Canadian water boy is either. Hence, we dont know the water boys name.
Now quit your nonsensical whining & start whining about that gutless, pathetic display that the Ruuskies exibited last night.

 

[bert]

I think it was Emelin, on the very first shift.

Pouliot is looking unbelievable.

 

[Den]

What dont you understand? No one cares about the donkeys name. They dont care who the name of the Canadian water boy is either. Hence, we dont know the water boys name.
Now quit your nonsensical whining & start whining about that gutless, pathetic display that the Ruuskies exibited last night.

Ah, now I get it: it's simplly that TSN is run by stupid, mannerless ***** like you...

 

[Sammy*]

Ah, now I get it: it's simplly that TSN is run by stupid, mannerless ***** like you...

Geez, I shudder what you call the Russian TV networks as they dont even show the games.
They must be super, duper mannerless.

 

[ryz]

Ah, now I get it: it's simplly that TSN is run by stupid, mannerless ***** like you...

Quit while you can, man. You are making an *** of yourself.

Canadians watching a Canadian broadcast don't give 2 ****'s what the Russian coaches name is.

 

[espo*]

It was good to see the Canadian team slap around the Russians last night. They've worked hard, and they needed a little bit of a confidence boost.

Hopefully Sutter reigns it in, however.

This game was a dead heat for the first half of the game, and the Russians were missing their best player. It was only after it got to be 3-1 did the Russians just shut down, and then the Canadians were able to run it up.

I would not be particularly confident in this team's ability to beat the Russians again, simply because if I had to bet whether the real Russian team was more like the first half than the second half, I'd take the first team.

Then again, it's always better to be on the side of an 8-1 beating than on the embarassing side.

The Russian squad is talented, but you have to wonder about the team spirit of a national team that gives up after getting down a few goals.

intelligent post that captured the reality of the game.You're right,for the first part of the game you got a look at the Russian team at it's "steady" game and as long as they can do that they have a good team.It was definately even stevens up to the point where they took too many penalties.Your comment about how they packed it in is also valid but only time will tell if it is on the mark or not.When i sit down and think of that Russian team at it's best and with Malkin(who will certainly add a dynamic to that team that was'nt there last night) it is a formidable squad.As usual,they are great skaters,if they can mix and in and temper the physical game i saw they were capable of last night they most certainly will be a formidable opponent for anyone.

On the plus side for our team,i love their puck pursuit and protection so far and Pogge looked real solid last night.Very technically sound(with good reflexes for a big guy and a nice glove hand) and seemed very good mentally.His first start brings good reviews if you're a fan of Team Canada.

 

[espo*]

Quit while you can, man. You are making an *** of yourself.

Canadians watching a Canadian broadcast don't give 2 ****'s what the Russian coaches name is.

Well i care but it's not the priority yes.

 

[ZombieMatt]

Do you really have to note every ****ing spelling mistake. Lehtonen, Lehtinen, not a big difference.

Well considering Lehtonen and Lehtinen are different players, it does sort of make a difference.

 

[Den]

Canadians watching a Canadian broadcast don't give 2 ****'s what the Russian coaches name is.

That's fine, why would they? My gripe is with TSN, who have to show some courtesy, not with Canadians. But you are right, this discussion should be stopped, it's too tiny a subject

 

[canucksfan]

Instead of commenting on the game or the players, we are discussing whether or not TSN should show the name of Russia's coach.

 

[s7ark]

Pouliot is looking unbelievable.

Yup he is. I think before long we'll see the Latendresse - Cogliano - Pouliot line again. They compliment each other well. Cogliano's speed and passing keep defensemen scrambling, Latendresse owns the boards and has a heavy shot, and Pouliot gets open and knows how to finish. And both Latendresse and Pouliot like to hit which opens up more space for Cogs skating.

That line could be very very good.

 

[Brock]

intelligent post that captured the reality of the game.You're right,for the first part of the game you got a look at the Russian team at it's "steady" game and as long as they can do that they have a good team.It was definately even stevens up to the point where they took too many penalties.Your comment about how they packed it in is also valid but only time will tell if it is on the mark or not.When i sit down and think of that Russian team at it's best and with Malkin(who will certainly add a dynamic to that team that was'nt there last night) it is a formidable squad.As usual,they are great skaters,if they can mix and in and temper the physical game i saw they were capable of last night they most certainly will be a formidable opponent for anyone.

On the plus side for our team,i love their puck pursuit and protection so far and Pogge looked real solid last night.Very technically sound(with good reflexes for a big guy and a nice glove hand) and seemed very good mentally.His first start brings good reviews if you're a fan of Team Canada.

I'll second in agreeing with Matt. I went to the bar last night, but tapped the game and watched it this morning. It definitely was a pretty close one up until thats 3-1, 4-1 spot.

However something to think about is that, will Malkin make a big enough difference to cover up the defense on the Russian side? Maybe momentum shifts in their favor with the offense he creates and it changes the dynamics of the game, however the defense looked so terrible last night, I couldn't believe I was watching a Russian squad. This team didn't look any better then the lackluster efforts that Russia has put forward for the CHL/Russia Challenges that have occured the past few years. The Russian defense handled the puck like a hand grenade, was missing assignments all over the place, showed little will to win battles in the corners. Basically the defense looked like a chicken with its head cut off. And outside of about one heavy flurry (that ended up as a goal anyway), Khudobin was terrible.

I'll admit that some of the penalty calls on the Russians might have been a bit of bias from the Canadian refs, but that's still a minority. They still played reckless and had numerous stupid penalties that would have been called my any referee in the world. And let's not kid ourselves here, it is the WJC's. There are going to be many calls that we won't agree with. Shady officiating is always part of this tournament, just the way it is.

I know, I know, it's only exhibition. But the Russians looked absolutely terrible out there for the most part. This isn't like the exhibition in the NHL or in any other professional sports league, which mean nothing. In Professional Leagues, the exhibition games are a showcase. Battles for roster spots, applying new tactics and strategies and rarely do you see a team playing exhibition with its full arsenal at hand. Here, these exhibition games are being played by the actual team. Sure, the Russians were missing Malkin, but that's only one player. Sure he may be the best player in the tournament, call me crazy, but if the Russians play like that the rest of the tournament, Malkin ain't gonna make a difference. It reminds me of the Russian squad a few years ago which was led by Ovechkin, but ended up finishing 5th I believe because of poor defense.

I guess we'll see, but I really don't see the Russians being strong contenders in this tournament.

Something about Canada I've yet to see said in this thread, is that I thought Steve Downie has been one of the most impressive players on the ice. He's constantly out there working his *** off and he creates many chances. He really controls the play exceptionally well in the offensive zone. I think he's going to end up being the type of player Mike Richards has been for this team the past few years. Downie is really a tremendous player, but just doesn't get the credit because everyone hates the guy from the incident in Windsor. And while I obviously didn't agree with what he did, or some of the other things he's done in his OHL career, it doesn't change the fact that he may be one of the best players on this team and is a very very good prospect.

 

[espo*]

I'll second in agreeing with Matt. I went to the bar last night, but tapped the game and watched it this morning. It definitely was a pretty close one up until thats 3-1, 4-1 spot.

However something to think about is that, will Malkin make a big enough difference to cover up the defense on the Russian side? Maybe momentum shifts in their favor with the offense he creates and it changes the dynamics of the game, however the defense looked so terrible last night, I couldn't believe I was watching a Russian squad. This team didn't look any better then the lackluster efforts that Russia has put forward for the CHL/Russia Challenges that have occured the past few years. The Russian defense handled the puck like a hand grenade, was missing assignments all over the place, showed little will to win battles in the corners. Basically the defense looked like a chicken with its head cut off. And outside of about one heavy flurry (that ended up as a goal anyway), Khudobin was terrible.

I'll admit that some of the penalty calls on the Russians might have been a bit of bias from the Canadian refs, but that's still a minority. They still played reckless and had numerous stupid penalties that would have been called my any referee in the world. And let's not kid ourselves here, it is the WJC's. There are going to be many calls that we won't agree with. Shady officiating is always part of this tournament, just the way it is.

I know, I know, it's only exhibition. But the Russians looked absolutely terrible out there for the most part. This isn't like the exhibition in the NHL or in any other professional sports league, which mean nothing. In Professional Leagues, the exhibition games are a showcase. Battles for roster spots, applying new tactics and strategies and rarely do you see a team playing exhibition with its full arsenal at hand. Here, these exhibition games are being played by the actual team. Sure, the Russians were missing Malkin, but that's only one player. Sure he may be the best player in the tournament, call me crazy, but if the Russians play like that the rest of the tournament, Malkin ain't gonna make a difference. It reminds me of the Russian squad a few years ago which was led by Ovechkin, but ended up finishing 5th I believe because of poor defense.

I guess we'll see, but I really don't see the Russians being strong contenders in this tournament.

Something about Canada I've yet to see said in this thread, is that I thought Steve Downie has been one of the most impressive players on the ice. He's constantly out there working his *** off and he creates many chances. He really controls the play exceptionally well in the offensive zone. I think he's going to end up being the type of player Mike Richards has been for this team the past few years. Downie is really a tremendous player, but just doesn't get the credit because everyone hates the guy from the incident in Windsor. And while I obviously didn't agree with what he did, or some of the other things he's done in his OHL career, it doesn't change the fact that he may be one of the best players on this team and is a very very good prospect.

Another good observation.I don't think Russia's defense is all that bad actually.they do skate well(i expect that) and man...........this team has a bit of an attitude(which i like of course) but last night they took it too far................up to the coach to tell them they can skate with anyone and play physical without taking stupid penalties.If they do that........you can tell they are fine.

Malikin?Well..........he's slinky smooth and i did'nt have to see him in many games to see that.At times last year.........he was impressing me more the Ovechkin(at times) i am kind of a sucker for guys that see the ice well and can skate to boot!!! who does'nt love those prospects? plus he's big as ****!! that don't hurt.When i factor his talents in and how diificult it will to contain him(get a big guy who can skate to take him and motivate the player) it's hard not to see where he raises that Russian unit a great deal.

Downie: Yep,good player who is not only good at getting the opposition fired up but sees the ice real well too.I just want him to haul in his act a touch,he's a tad too emotional and may take some bad penalties which no-one can afford.Cheers

 

[Gord Miller]

I hesitate to get involved in this discussion, but the Russian Coach was identified (with a graphic) in the opening moments of the game. It would have been done sooner, but there was a quick PP. It's standard procedure.

 

[Epsilon]

I hesitate to get involved in this discussion, but the Russian Coach was identified (with a graphic) in the opening moments of the game. It would have been done sooner, but there was a quick PP. It's standard procedure.

Thanks for pouring sand on this stupid fire Gord.

Let's see:

-pointless arguments about irrelevant issues
-dumb chest thumping over a meaningless game
-trying to invent some fake controversy to deflect attention away from a poor performance
-lots of useless posters that only show up for a few weeks a year
-general inability to discuss issues in a coherent manner

Yep, must be WJC time!

 

[Platapie]

Honestly.. I can't believe this board sometimes.

Well considering Lehtonen and Lehtinen are different players, it does sort of make a difference.

It makes little difference because anyone who isn't dense could easily tell what I was attempting to say. The fact that it was relatively early and I was at work/typing quickly played a role, as did the fact that the I/O are about 2 MM's apart. Nonetheless, I apologize profusely for certain individuals who may have taken offense at such a grievous error.

wanted to stop reading right there, thank god your following sentence redeemed somewhat that bit.

As for this comment, redeemed it only a bit? You're getting at 1 of 2 things here.

1. If it was the typo see above for how silly this is, I'll also be kind enough not to point out certain structural flaws in your only sentence.

2. If it was because you thought I was comparing Pogge to Lehtonen, then you simply misunderstood me and the following sentence should have cleared up any confusion right away. If it didn't that's not my problem.

In either event, I can't believe how petty this place is.

 

[Slitty]

we were just good. Over powered em.

You overpowered us.

The Canadians really came out strong and punished the Russians physically for making plays. Sometimes it seemed as though Canada's guys would rather get a hit in than actually get the puck. Good strategy.

The Russians grew more and more cautious after they got hit, and stopped trying to make as many plays. REtaliatory penalties followed, and as a result Canada was on the powerplay for a considerable portion of the game.

With the backup Kasutin's (Khudobin wasn't great either) horrible 3rd period, I was suprised it wasnt more than 8-1.

 

[Slitty]

To be fair, it was their first game on the small ice. D-men in Europe are used to having more time to make decisions. It was probably the first time a lot of those guys have ever been pressured like that.
It'll take time to get used to.

But, jesus, their goalies suck.

Is the tournament going to be played on small ice, is it an actual IIHF rule to have big ice like in the Olympics?

 

[Slitty]

Yeah, that's what it is.
Good one, start the whining early.
One would think if one was going to whine, one would whine about ones team getting pounded & being quitters.
But I guess that wouldnt be whining about something, anything Canadian ,so you cant, right?

I dunno... its an international event.
Even the official website covers Canada's games in depth with minute-by-minute updates of goals + penalties, followed by a summary immediately after the game was finnished.

It took a day or two on the other hand for the score of the USA-Sweden and Latvia-Finland game to be posted. I mean I know you're in Canada, but you're running an international tournamnet and have to show some degree of neutrality.

I like how last year's World Juniors were covered, not so much by TSN, but by the actual organizers in the USA.

 

[Slitty]

How much respect do russians deserve? they haven't won anything in ages. They're hockey federation is a joke; there's no pride in playing for their country with a lot of players opting out. They just got spanked by Canada. They got spanked by canada in the Challenge Series...

What has russia done to get respect? Except have a russian hockey fan complain that tsn won't show some no name coaches name. They would probably be offended if his name wasn't shown in russian. Russians will use any excuse to be upset...

Ages being 3 years since their little run of gold medals was over?
5 players opted out of the Olympics: 3 of them citing injuries, 1 old age + retirement. Only 1, maybe 2 at most would have made the team anyways. I dont think anyone opted out of the World Jrs.

You spanked Russia in an exhibition game. You spanked Russia's Junior C team in the Canada-Russia Challenge Series. Congratulations. This certainly gives you the right of way to badmouth and make generalizations about all Russians.

 

[Sammy*]

I dunno... its an international event.
Even the official website covers Canada's games in depth with minute-by-minute updates of goals + penalties, followed by a summary immediately after the game was finnished.

It took a day or two on the other hand for the score of the USA-Sweden and Latvia-Finland game to be posted. I mean I know you're in Canada, but you're running an international tournamnet and have to show some degree of neutrality.

I like how last year's World Juniors were covered, not so much by TSN, but by the actual organizers in the USA.

Ya, its an international event , but I hate to tell ya, TSN is a CANADIAN channel.
BTW, the official website of the tourney is run by the IIAF.
The frickin whining knows no bounds.

 

[Slitty]

Ya, its an international event , but I hate to tell ya, TSN is a CANADIAN channel.
BTW, the official website of the tourney is run by the IIAF.
The frickin whining knows no bounds.

IIAF?! A google search told me this was the Imperial Iranian Airforce Force http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=+IIAF&btnG=Google+Search&meta= They've taken over coverage of Canadian internet hockey coverage?

See, considering the official website is on Hockey Canada's website... I was under the assumption Hockey Canada ran it.
http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.cfm/ci_id/3520/la_id/1.htm

Edit: Also, did I mention TSN in my post other than to state that I wasn't talking about TSN?