Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
He is good,. Remember he was a top 10 pick that Dallas ruined. I think he has been waiting for this chance for a while. I hope he can make the most of it.
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Confirmed with Link: Campbell/Clifford to the leafs
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Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
hey man leaf fans fwiw wanted the kings to win when they first won their chips, not all of us are bad and tbf its been sooo fkin long, let us win one, then i don't care ha.
I mean, a bit sure, but enough to make any sort of dent in the standings at this stage of the season? I doubt it.
KingsHockey24
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Boy you're in for a treat if you think this is going to get any better in the near future.
Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
at this point, there are few places to go but up.
At least this is more fun to watch that last season. Or 1996. Or 2006
as a hockey fan in Canada I just don't think I could take the media. I have a lot of buddies who are leaf fans, if they win I would be happy for them. But I would have to delete twitter and cancel TSN and Sportsnet
BigKing
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Kyle Clifford is a fan favorite and has played his entire career with the LA Kings. Goal in Game 1 against the Rangers and then assisted on the Cup winner. Came in as a kid into an era that still had enforcers and, until the Reaves KO, was absolutely crushing it. He is one of the rare Cup guys on this team that hasn't regressed.
No qualms with anyone being upset about it: he is one of those guys that deserves an appreciation thread no matter how many posters want to bitch about a $1.6MM cap hit or the fact that he isn't scoring 20 goals from the 4th line. That being said: you have to trade him since he is a UFA. If the Kings still want him for the "culture" thing or whatever (Good job with Hoven saying he'd never be traded) and he wants to be part of a rebuild, then he can come back. If he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild, he walks and they get nothing.
I thought that Clifford could pull a 2nd from a younger team that needs some jam and veteran leadership. Leafs fit that bill: especially with Dubas being his agent in a past life. I echo the sentiments of others on here where Clifford was the real target and Campbell became a thing once Andersen went down.
I think Campbell is purely the CBJ 3rd. Clifford is the conditional 3rd plus Moore. To Blake's credit, I think the squeeze put on here is getting to add the six wins/playoffs condition to actually boost Clifford to a 2nd since--even thought it would be Campbell making the condition happen--there is probably a strong sense around the league that Clifford coming back here as a UFA is very much in play.
There is no way that they just sit on an additional 3rd and 4th in this year's draft. This is what you have to do when you are rebuilding. Collect as much powder as possible and keep it dry so you are ready to strike when opportunity presents itself.
No qualms with anyone being upset about it: he is one of those guys that deserves an appreciation thread no matter how many posters want to bitch about a $1.6MM cap hit or the fact that he isn't scoring 20 goals from the 4th line. That being said: you have to trade him since he is a UFA. If the Kings still want him for the "culture" thing or whatever (Good job with Hoven saying he'd never be traded) and he wants to be part of a rebuild, then he can come back. If he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild, he walks and they get nothing.
I thought that Clifford could pull a 2nd from a younger team that needs some jam and veteran leadership. Leafs fit that bill: especially with Dubas being his agent in a past life. I echo the sentiments of others on here where Clifford was the real target and Campbell became a thing once Andersen went down.
I think Campbell is purely the CBJ 3rd. Clifford is the conditional 3rd plus Moore. To Blake's credit, I think the squeeze put on here is getting to add the six wins/playoffs condition to actually boost Clifford to a 2nd since--even thought it would be Campbell making the condition happen--there is probably a strong sense around the league that Clifford coming back here as a UFA is very much in play.
There is no way that they just sit on an additional 3rd and 4th in this year's draft. This is what you have to do when you are rebuilding. Collect as much powder as possible and keep it dry so you are ready to strike when opportunity presents itself.
KingsHockey24
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Maybe. We'll need a .500 winning percentage the rest of the season to tie how many points we had last year.
Don't think we can pull that off tbh.
Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
I want to finish as low as possible and hopefully not get hosed by the lottery this year. I think next year will be a little better and the year after that we can (hopefully) think about competing for a playoff spot
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Fair deal for both sides, gvien where they are organizationally. Moore is a similiar, younger version of Lewis, except a bit more skilled perhaps. Kings get seeds for the farm and Leafs get a heart and soul vet, who will get in the tough spots and has a presence that they need in a playoff run. FOr Campbell, he gets a chance at a new start, to be a good backup and get the Leafs points , something Hutchinson can't do. Once he adjusts to the difference in the team in front of him , Leafs are run and gun, I think Campbell will be able to keep them in games and save them the 2 goals or more that Hutchinson coughs up.
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You are confusing....so are you implying you are not understanding of or on board with the concept of 'rebuilding'?
don't see him worth a lot to be honest but I don't know much about him. I think he was dealt to 1) make the cap hits work and 2) to keep Toronto under 50 contracts.
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Honestly with how the lottery works there's a good chance that a team like Buffalo or Minnesota gets the 1st overall.
It's f***ed but that's how it goes down. We can only hope to have a top 3 pick.
onlyalad
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I always have a hard time with the value of picks.
1st round picks your odds of getting a player that sticks in the league is about 60% maybe less
2nd round 25%
3 round and beyond 12 %
So trading a 4 line guy for a 3rd pick means 78% of the time you got a hole to fill.
1st round picks your odds of getting a player that sticks in the league is about 60% maybe less
2nd round 25%
3 round and beyond 12 %
So trading a 4 line guy for a 3rd pick means 78% of the time you got a hole to fill.
yeah fair. A lot of leaf fans are unbearable. Most of the media is absolutely asinine as well.
for sure, but when you're rebuilding it is better to get a 12% lottery ticket than lose a guy for nothing.
Also those 3rds can be used to move up in the draft.
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So Muzzin\Clifford\Campbell for Moore\Grundstrom\Bjornfot\Durzi\2020 3rd rounder\2021 3rd rounder(conditional 2nd rounder).
Muzzin and Clifford were traded with lots of mileage on them. We'll see how they perform into their 30s.
Campbell was a reclamation project we flipped. Hopefully he does well this year to get us that 2nd rounder.
Muzzin and Clifford were traded with lots of mileage on them. We'll see how they perform into their 30s.
Campbell was a reclamation project we flipped. Hopefully he does well this year to get us that 2nd rounder.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Clifford the reason to watch games?
Clifford trade in same sentence as Kobe death?
I know the last 6 seasons have been a disaster, but come on guys.
The Kings got 10 useful seasons out of Clifford and were able to flip him for what could be a similar pick to where they took him in 2009, and if they want to they can bring him back in the summer.
Unfortunately I don't see Toronto making the playoffs, they just can't keep the puck out of their net and I'm not sure Campbell is the level of goaltender that is going to make that big a difference.
Clifford trade in same sentence as Kobe death?
I know the last 6 seasons have been a disaster, but come on guys.
The Kings got 10 useful seasons out of Clifford and were able to flip him for what could be a similar pick to where they took him in 2009, and if they want to they can bring him back in the summer.
Unfortunately I don't see Toronto making the playoffs, they just can't keep the puck out of their net and I'm not sure Campbell is the level of goaltender that is going to make that big a difference.
