Confirmed with Link: Campbell/Clifford to the leafs

[SFKingshomer]

People are thinking with their heart, not their head. I don't know what was expected for a UFA 4th liner and a backup goalie?

 

[fivehole32]

I really think Toronto needed depth in the bottom 6 and they need a backup that can win spot starts for Freddie. The backup role has been revolving for a while in Toronto. Do I think they answered that with this trade who knows? Defensive structure in Toronto is pretty lacking not sure whether Soupy can handle the barrage of shots they normally give up. I guess Cliffy is going to fill the void that losing Uncle Leo, Ennis, and Connor Brown opened up. Is it enough to 1) make the playoffs and 2) beat Boston that will remain to be seen.

 

[Herby]

People are thinking with their heart, not their head. I don't know what was expected for a UFA 4th liner and a backup goalie?

People always overrate their own players intangibles and leadership and stuff like that.

Unfortunately there are alot of nice guy, good teammate lockerroom guy depth players in the NHL. I think Blake got a nice return that has a chance to be a really nice return if Campbell can lead them to the playoffs.

 

[regulate]

If Moore and Lizotte play on the same line, the opponents are going to need a flyswatter to smack these annoying gnats that are buzzing around them.

 

[Choralone]

This team has drafted a bunch of winners and team leaders in the last couple of years. Maybe they should be the ones building the new team culture anyway, from the ground up. We can always trade for additional vets to supplement them - maybe hungrier and less grizzled than our current ones to boot - just like we did years ago.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Obviously we got what we could get, and I think it helps Toronto. Hutchinson got lit up the other night against The Rangers.

I just really hate The f***ing Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[YP44]

Obviously we got what we could get, and I think it helps Toronto. Hutchinson got lit up the other night against The Rangers.

I just really hate The ****ing Toronto Maple Leafs.

hasn't been the first night Hutch has not looked good either. However I would think that this deal was in place before the rangers game.

 

[redcard]

Obviously we got what we could get, and I think it helps Toronto. Hutchinson got lit up the other night against The Rangers.

I just really hate The ****ing Toronto Maple Leafs.

Root for 6 Campbell wins and a squeak into the playoffs. Then you can root for them to get swept in the first round. Then you can root for them to suck donkey balls next season so the 2nd round pick is in the low 30's.

Long con.

 

[YP44]

Root for 6 Campbell wins and a squeak into the playoffs. Then you can root for them to get swept in the first round. Then you can root for them to suck donkey balls next season so the 2nd round pick is in the low 30's.

Long con.

and even though they have been a good story I am now against the Blue Jackets haha

 

[KINGS17]

This is like going from the Chicago White Sox to the Yankees or the Jaguars to the Cowboys.

Interesting to see how they handle it with the media, especially Campbell.

I think initially it will help their play. Players who get traded to a competitive situation find out what they do really matters. They also want to get kudos and establish a good relationship with the fans, coaches, and teammates.

 

[redcard]

Also hope that Clifford kicks a duck in half tomorrow in his debut.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I bet you're thrilled to watch Trevor Moore play. It'll give you some Brendan Leipsic vibes.

How dare we be sad to see Stanley Cup Championship players move.

At this point, I commend that you still have that emotional attachment to those players. For me it was sad a couple years ago when one would tick off the roster here, another off the roster there, but the team has been so terrible for the last 2 years, that stuff has lost meaning. To each their own though.

But it's not about watching Moore play. Clifford didn't make it fun to watch the team. Most of the excitement he might bring doesn't happen in the league anymore. Certainly not for bad teams that checked out emotionally a long time ago. Moore isn't even important. He's a very cheap warm body, that can easily be moved between the NHL and AHL if need be. If someone were to pick him off waivers, who cares. He's here because of Leaf roster considerations. The picks are what matter.

What is Moore's trade value? a 3rd\4th, maybe we can flip him at the TDL?

You'd be selling him low. It can't hurt to give him a chance, and maybe trade him later for something. Just like Toffoli; he likely has more value now than 12 months ago.

This current team--and last year's--are the most boring Kings teams I've ever watched. Excruciating. Toss in the Fox/Faust combo and it isn't close.

It's all different because of the winning they did. Without the Cups, most of the vets would've been gone years ago. But between the franchise wanting to keep their faces, and DL not knowing how to manage a winning situation, or at least when to fold his hand, then we get this boring stuff. The vets know there's nothing to play for, and there's no youth with actual talent yet. If you were going to create the least exciting situation possible, that's it. Add in the contracts with the old guys and the cap, and they know the big market team isn't coming to save them like they would pre-2005, and it's just bad.

The alternative is to retain those whose value exceeds the return. Clifford is worth more to this rebuilding franchise than a 3rd round pick. No, not on the boxscore, but in ways that develop and maintain a "team", and frankly, that particular skill went from being the singular defining characteristic of the Cup winning squads to something that is now completely absent. The "core" of this team doesn't supply it - they needed it from others not just to win Cups, but to win just a playoff game much less series.

Of course, maybe Clifford wanted to move on or maybe he signs back in the summer. If that is the case, yay, free picks. If not, it's a big net loss.

What happens if you don't trade him, and he still walks because he wants to be competitive again? How much money would the Kings need to buy him off to stay? There's is no reason to keep Clifford in his UFA year, when the team is this bad, at the deadline. Whether or not he re-signs in July. Trade the asset. Worry about intangible stuff later. Young assets, that's what matters today.

If Clifford re-signs with LA at the end of the season, then it's a good trade.

If Clifford doesn't, then I'll question the culture and accountability this team was apparently prioritizing.

Why is that so specific to Clifford? Because he tried? Ok, Kopitar, Brown, and the rest of that gang don't really care, but you can find a guy that tries. You can find an example for young players to follow. It's a skill, but it's not the rarest skill. If they trade Clifford, and even if they just sign Clifford-lite, that's ok. Was Clifford that magnetic? That indispensable a human being? What if someone else now gets the chance to be the next Clifford because he's not here?

It's a good trade, period. Bring Clifford back, that's great, but that doesn't make or break the deal.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Herby]

Everyone says they want change and to turn over a new leaf, then that happens and people are angry.

 

[AlphaBravo]

None of us are in the Kings locker room. I love how everyone just assumes that Clifford is some magical leader and our rebuild will crumble without him. We are in the middle of a rebuild and need to recoup assets for vets. It’s this short sighted loyalty to the vets that stalled our rebuild and put us in this position. Intangibles won’t win us games. We need skill and talent, which we can only pray to get through the draft.

 

[YP44]

None of us are in the Kings locker room. I love how everyone just assumes that Clifford is some magical leader and our rebuild will crumble without him. We are in the middle of a rebuild and need to recoup assets for vets. It’s this short sighted loyalty to the vets that stalled our rebuild and put us in this position. Intangibles won’t win us games. We need skill and talent, which we can only pray to get through the draft.

I don't think anyone is saying that.
for me it took me by surprise due to the reports of LA wanting to keep him for the rebuild because of the work ethic and leader he is. Doesn't mean I do not think this will hurt the rebuild.
His physical play is not an intangible and I think along with Skill and Talent physical play is still something the Kings will need to address.

 

[AlphaBravo]

It’s not hard finding physical players. Gundy is one example of someone that can fill that void. I wouldn’t even consider resigning Clifford for league minimum in the summer. Time to move on. Everyone other than Kopi and DD are open for sale.

 

[Herby]

None of us are in the Kings locker room. I love how everyone just assumes that Clifford is some magical leader and our rebuild will crumble without him. We are in the middle of a rebuild and need to recoup assets for vets. It’s this short sighted loyalty to the vets that stalled our rebuild and put us in this position. Intangibles won’t win us games. We need skill and talent, which we can only pray to get through the draft.

Everyone does speak highly of Clifford, so I do believe he is a positive influence in the locker-room, but I think people are drastically drastically overstating what that means to W-L's and what a terrible team should do with an older player on an expiring contract.

If the Kings want Clifford back they can re-sign him on July 1st, passing up a 3rd and potentially a 2nd round pick to keep a 4th line player for 30 games on a team playing out the stretch is just insanity and I'm shocked that people are angry about the move.And even if they don't bring him back, it's still a nice return for players who aren't ever making a significant difference to the overall makeup of the team.

 

[YP44]

Everyone does speak highly of Clifford, so I do believe he is a positive influence in the locker-room, but I think people are drastically drastically overstating what that means to W-L's and what a terrible team should do with an older player on an expiring contract.

If the Kings want Clifford back they can re-sign him on July 1st, passing up a 3rd and potentially a 2nd round pick to keep a 4th line player for 30 games on a team playing out the stretch is just insanity and I'm shocked that people are angry about the move.And even if they don't bring him back, it's still a nice return for players who aren't ever making a significant difference to the overall makeup of the team.

I agree but also who is saying LA should have kept him and not dealt him?

it needed to be done

edit: I will say the same when Martinez is dealt. Will miss him because of what he has done as a King but understand this team needs draft capital. I mean, unless the return is deplorable that is.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I agree but also who is saying LA should have kept him and not dealt him?

it needed to be done

edit: I will say the same when Martinez is dealt. Will miss him because of what he has done as a King but understand this team needs draft capital. I mean, unless the return is deplorable that is.

Yeah, it's not mutually exclusive.

Bummed he was traded, love the player, love what he brings.

Understand we need the assets and to move forward.

Both things are true, no need for strawmen and chest-puffery.

 

[fsanford]

Back up Goalie, trade him for a 3rd rinse repeat, it seems like Kings have traded like 4 or 5 back ups for that pick only exception would be Jones.

 

[smitty10]

Can anyone tell me anything about Moore, other than he is from California?

UFA the Leafs signed out of college. Spent a few years with the Marlies and won a Calder Cup as a key role player on the team. Called up last year and ran with the opportunity he was given on the Leafs.

He's very quick and has the ability to produce a bit in a bottom 6 role. Works hard every shift, grinds when he needs to and plays well in the defensive zone. Slightly undersized and has struggled with concussions for half the year so far.

You guys will like him. He was expendable because of our forward depth, but fans aren't happy that he's leaving by any means.

Hope that helps!

 

[Lt Dan]

UFA the Leafs signed out of college. Spent a few years with the Marlies and won a Calder Cup as a key role player on the team. Called up last year and ran with the opportunity he was given on the Leafs.

He's very quick and has the ability to produce a bit in a bottom 6 role. Works hard every shift, grinds when he needs to and plays well in the defensive zone. Slightly undersized and has struggled with concussions for half the year so far.

You guys will like him. He was expendable because of our forward depth, but fans aren't happy that he's leaving by any means.

Hope that helps!

thank you Sir

 

[tigermask48]

We somehow got our backup goalie and a 4th line UFA to bolster an already top ranked pipeline.

What are the "issues" with this team other than "we are rebuilding?"

And how do you expect trading a 4th line UFA and backup goalie to solve said issues?

It's a rebuild. There is no magic bandaid. Acquire assets, shed veterans. That's what they're doing. More trades are coming.

And honestly this sentimentality is pretty dumb. It's Lombardi-esque. It's exactly why the Kings HAVE to rebuild right now. Love Clifford but it's this kind of married-to-players nonsense that got the Kings in this position in the first place. Wish Clifford and Soup well - two guys who weren't going to be on the roster this summer anyway.

The Kings are still a basement team with a high number of overpaid, underperforming old players. This trade doesn’t address that issue one bit. Clifford, take what you can and cut ties sure. Campbell? Let’s face facts he was the Kings best goalie this year. But they seemingly can’t or won’t move Quick. This is just such a meh trade. Replace Clifford with Moore, and have Cal in LA. Great, but that isn’t making the team better unless Cal is lights out and actually gets playing time.

 

[Bandit]

Yeah, it's not mutually exclusive.

Bummed he was traded, love the player, love what he brings.

Understand we need the assets and to move forward.

Both things are true, no need for strawmen and chest-puffery.

Yup, it had to be done, doesn't mean you can't be sad about it. If nothing else it marks the passing of 11 years and just further reminds us that the glory days are far in the review mirror. Time marches forward. Maybe I'm just projecting but, It's f***ing depressing.