Cam Talbot - Mod warning #251

[Khelvan]

Cam's .952 in Save % for the last 7 games .

Looks like he got used to being a starter.

What it looks like is that he's having a good stretch.

After more than 20 games as a starter, we can draw more conclusions.

 

[nyrleetch]

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Seriously. If the team didn't bail Talbot out for 5 wins the team would be .500 without Henrik. Talbot was terrible at first, great lately. Anyone thinking he has more value than Henrik is delusional.

 

[Siddi]

Cam's .952 in Save % for the last 7 games .

Looks like he got used to being a starter.

That is amazing! He has been great lately. We are lucky to have him as backup.

 

[Doctyl]

What it looks like is he's having a good stretch.

After more than 20 games as a starter, we can draw more conclusions.

His first 7 he was below .900. He is inconsistent like most goalies. Hank is ridiculously consistent, which is why he's elite.

 

[NYRangers84]

What it looks like is he's having a good stretch.

After more than 20 games as a starter, we can draw more conclusions.

Yet it was okay to draw conclusions when he had a rough start?

 

[Fataldogg]

Yet it was okay to draw conclusions when he had a rough start?

His true ability falls between the two. Neither elite or horrible as his hot and cold stretches have indicated.

 

[NYRangers84]

His first 7 he was below .900. He is inconsistent like most goalies. Hank is ridiculously consistent, which is why he's elite.

He (Lundqvist) saves 1 more goal out of 125 shots on average than the average NHL goalie AND he plays on the NY Rangers. You can call that elite but I won't. Neither do I think it's worth 8.5m/year. Like I said I don't think any goalie is elite. The skill differences are negligible among goalies.

 

[Siddi]

His first 7 he was below .900. He is inconsistent like most goalies. Hank is ridiculously consistent, which is why he's elite.

Consistency is the single most important aspect to a goalies game and Hank has that in spades.

 

[Doctyl]

He (Lundqvist) saves 1 more goal out of 125 shots on average than the average NHL goalie AND he plays on the NY Rangers. You can call that elite but I won't. Like I said I don't think any goalie is elite.

well, you're wrong.

 

[Baby Punisher]

His stint as a starter has lasted less than 20 games. In those 20 games he has had some real stinkers, and some real excellent games.

Eliteness and consistency are labels that are earned, not assumed. Talbot has not earned them.

He has had far more better games than bad ones.

 

[Doctyl]

He has had far more better games than bad ones.

He's let in less that 3 goals 8 times.

 

[Siddi]

He has had far more better games than bad ones.

That is not true! Talbots first 7 games was sub .900. Since then he has been lights out but lets not kid ourselves, Talbot was thrash and the offence had to carry him before he settled down.

 

[NYRKING30]

Talbot is proving himself to be a more valuable commodity game after game and better with each start. I wonder if teams will call the Rangers at the draft to check his availability. If they were able to get a first for him, that would be huge. You do it without a second thought.

 

[Doctyl]

Talbot is either lights out or a god damn sieve. There has been no in between.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

What bothers me is Hank will start off the season like hot garbage, and you guys just call it a bad stretch. Talbot has to start what would be a quarter of a season with basically no notice and has started every game except for one, he has a rough start, but then plays well, and you treat it differently. Talbot has been a monster for us, especially in big games, and this is where he was basically thrown into the fire to start what would be a large number of games. Yes, he struggled at first, but he has been absolutely superb lately. I don't think anyone can deny his talent, nor should they. I'm not saying he's a top 5 goaltender, but I bet there are a boat load of teams who'd love to have him on their team right now, and we should take advantage of that desire. Thank goodness we signed him to a 1 year extension earlier in the season. And I really feel like he was on edge at the trade deadline, that we'd get another goalie, but once he realized we had total faith in him, he's really stepped up his game. He's been really solid the last 4 games against really solid teams, and you can't debate that at all.

 

[trilobyte]

I wonder if Talbot has been working very hard on his positioning. He has looked very much better after his first 6 games or so of this long stretch of being a starter.
He just looks better to me. Saw him tonight get pulled way over to the side by an attacking Islander but he stopped and held his position. I have never played the position but he looked like he knew where he was, and where he should be.

 

[Doctyl]

What bothers me is Hank will start off the season like hot garbage, and you guys just call it a bad stretch. Talbot has to start what would be a quarter of a season with basically no notice and has started every game except for one, he has a rough start, but then plays well, and you treat it differently. Talbot has been a monster for us, especially in big games, and this is where he was basically thrown into the fire to start what would be a large number of games. Yes, he struggled at first, but he has been absolutely superb lately. I don't think anyone can deny his talent, nor should they. I'm not saying he's a top 5 goaltender, but I bet there are a boat load of teams who'd love to have him on their team right now, and we should take advantage of that desire. Thank goodness we signed him to a 1 year extension earlier in the season. And I really feel like he was on edge at the trade deadline, that we'd get another goalie, but once he realized we had total faith in him, he's really stepped up his game. He's been really solid the last 4 games against really solid teams, and you can't debate that at all.

Hank has been a monster since early December. Thats much more of a tear than anything Talbots done in his career. One is possibly the greatest Ranger of all time and the other is Cameron Talbot. Thats the difference. One has proved himself in over 600 games and has more shutouts than the other has games played.

 

[Siddi]

What bothers me is Hank will start off the season like hot garbage, and you guys just call it a bad stretch. Talbot has to start what would be a quarter of a season with basically no notice and has started every game except for one, he has a rough start, but then plays well, and you treat it differently. Talbot has been a monster for us, especially in big games, and this is where he was basically thrown into the fire to start what would be a large number of games. Yes, he struggled at first, but he has been absolutely superb lately. I don't think anyone can deny his talent, nor should they. I'm not saying he's a top 5 goaltender, but I bet there are a boat load of teams who'd love to have him on their team right now, and we should take advantage of that desire. Thank goodness we signed him to a 1 year extension earlier in the season. And I really feel like he was on edge at the trade deadline, that we'd get another goalie, but once he realized we had total faith in him, he's really stepped up his game. He's been really solid the last 4 games against really solid teams, and you can't debate that at all.

Difference being that Hank has 10 seasons where he has proved himself. That is why he deserves some slack for bad stretches early in the season.

The rest of your post i agree with completely.

 

[nyr2k2]

What bothers me is Hank will start off the season like hot garbage, and you guys just call it a bad stretch. Talbot has to start what would be a quarter of a season with basically no notice and has started every game except for one, he has a rough start, but then plays well, and you treat it differently. Talbot has been a monster for us, especially in big games, and this is where he was basically thrown into the fire to start what would be a large number of games. Yes, he struggled at first, but he has been absolutely superb lately. I don't think anyone can deny his talent, nor should they. I'm not saying he's a top 5 goaltender, but I bet there are a boat load of teams who'd love to have him on their team right now, and we should take advantage of that desire. Thank goodness we signed him to a 1 year extension earlier in the season. And I really feel like he was on edge at the trade deadline, that we'd get another goalie, but once he realized we had total faith in him, he's really stepped up his game. He's been really solid the last 4 games against really solid teams, and you can't debate that at all.

Henrik Lundqvist consistently starts slow and consistently ends great. When he gets off to a bad start, we call it a bad start, because that's all it is for him. He has demonstrated time and time again over many years that he is an elite goaltender. He has earned the benefit of the doubt, and then some.

Talbot hasn't earned that. And, the reality of this thread is that it would have died pages and pages ago had a couple guys not started up with the "Talbot makes Henrik expendable" ********. This whole thread has been one or two guys going back and forth with everyone else.

 

[NYRangers84]

Only fair way to do this...

Since Talbot's first season:

Lundqvist- .921 save percentage
Talbot- .931 save percentage

Lundqvist's salary- 11m
Talbot's salary- 575k

That is a completely unfair difference in salary.

 

[CaptainMcD]

I gave up getting through to these guys like a week ago.

Cam's good, and I was a huge critic, but he's not Henrik Lundqvist. Basically nobody is Henrik Lundqvist. Cam's not in the same hemisphere, and that's not a knock on Talbot, that's a compliment to Henrik. 25-ish starting goalies in the NHL aren't in the same hemisphere.

 

[Doctyl]

Only fair way to do this...

Since Talbot's first season:

Lundqvist- .921 save percentage
Talbot- .931 save percentage

Lundqvist's salary- 11m
Talbot's salary- 575k

That is a completely unfair difference in salary.

48 game sample size vs 102, yea okay

 

[NYRangers84]

48 game sample size vs 102, yea okay

So if you compare them by games played then Lundqvist deserves 1.22m.

 

[Doctyl]

So if you compare them by games played then Lundqvist deserves 1.22m.

What the hell kind of math is this?

 

[nyrleetch]

What the hell kind of math is this?

Adjusted Salary Percentage!