Player Discussion Cam Talbot (G)

[slamigo]

So Ottawa is officially the 'goalie graveyard'. I guess it's good to be known for something.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sens goalie depth situation is not very good at the moment.
Need Talbot to get healthy quick. ... No surprise trips to Belleville if they want to move him at the deadline.

 

[jbeck5]

He'll be 36 this summer. If he's back, it better be for like 1-2 mil. Nothing special and no team will give him the starters net next year.

Not sure what we do, but I'd rather move on and try really hard to upgrade on him. We need a capable starter if we're going to push for a playoff spot next year.

 

[bicboi64]

Ughh this hurts both any last minutes pushes of ours, and any attempt to get back any picks for him

 

[Micklebot]

So Ottawa is officially the 'goalie graveyard'. I guess it's good to be known for something.

I thought we were a coaching graveyard, can we be known for two things?

 

[DrEasy]

Ughh this hurts both any last minutes pushes of ours, and any attempt to get back any picks for him

If anything it hurts the tank job.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well at least it shouldn't matter much since we're out of the race, and hopefully he will still be back in time to get dealt at the deadline.

 

[bert]

I thought we were a coaching graveyard, can we be known for two things?

I think those go hand an hand....

 

[Hale The Villain]

Out 3-4 weeks with a groin injury.

Honestly as bad as he's looked in 2023 I'd probably just keep him at this point if he's open to signing a 1-2 year deal. Can't see us getting much for him via trade.

Might be able to get him a lot cheaper than he would have otherwise cost to provide insurance in goal.

 

[Ouroboros]

I assume that 3-4 weeks is retroactive to 2.5 weeks ago when the injury happened. Garrioch said he thinks there's a chance he's ready to go for the back-to-back next week.

If he would take a paycut down to around 1.75M or 2M it would make sense to keep him for a year.

 

[coladin]

Out 3-4 weeks with a groin injury.

Honestly as bad as he's looked in 2023 I'd probably just keep him at this point if he's open to signing a 1-2 year deal. Can't see us getting much for him via trade.

Might be able to get him a lot cheaper than he would have otherwise cost to provide insurance in goal.

He has had a rough 2023, no question.

But both goalies are not the reason why Ottawa is on the outside looking in. The goalies were mid pack all season. This team had no one who could score when it mattered.

Don't understand all the Talbot hate online, especially on Twitter. And I know hindsight is 20/20. But Gus is getting torched behind this team, and he is better in Minny because Minny is better. I don't think anyone here could realistically say that they were happy with Forsberg/Gustavssoh to start the year.

I am totally on board with extending him.

 

[bicboi64]

Don't think we'll be able to move him at all, if we can extend him to a deal with a $2million aav, nows the time to do it

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

He has had a rough 2023, no question.

But both goalies are not the reason why Ottawa is on the outside looking in. The goalies were mid pack all season. This team had no one who could score when it mattered.

Don't understand all the Talbot hate online, especially on Twitter. And I know hindsight is 20/20. But Gus is getting torched behind this team, and he is better in Minny because Minny is better. I don't think anyone here could realistically say that they were happy with Forsberg/Gustavssoh to start the year.

I am totally on board with extending him.

I could. Forsberg was our best player last year and Gustavsson was a high drafted prospect who had impressed in his NHL starts.

not to mention we save a bunch of money which means we can get better depth and be a better team.

 

[Samsquanch]

I could. Forsberg was our best player last year and Gustavsson was a high drafted prospect who had impressed in his NHL starts.

not to mention we save a bunch of money which means we can get better depth and be a better team.

You were in the small minority. It was pretty much universally praised as a shrewd move that would help shore up the Senators goaltending.

Good on you for being right today, but goalies are anyone's best guess imo. Zeros becomes heros and vice versa every season on multiple teams. Goalies truly are only as good as their last game.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Those injuries are piling up. Seems there's a trend of goalies in their 30s having some major problems staying healthy.

Crazy as it sounds, it seems we're at the point where we'll have to seriously look at targeting another netminder in the draft again (and by targeting, I mean a kid slotted to go between rounds 2-4 or so, not waste a first rounder).

Not sure I like the idea of extending Talbot for more than 1 season, unless we're talking minimal (under 2 mil) salary.

 

[senswon]

Imo id rather not resign talbot and instead bring meralinen over next year for ahl and bring soogard up to start getting starts with support from forsberg
Use talbot $$ to help pay for some help on D or to pay Cat

 

[Alex1234]

Keep him and add Craig Anderson for next year as insurance for 20 games (8th in the league in save % rn)

 

[Southern Minny]

I come in peace, what did you all not like in Gus? Or do you feel they gave up on him too soon? The kid has been solid for us.

 

[Micklebot]

I come in peace, what did you all not like in Gus? Or do you feel they gave up on him too soon? The kid has been solid for us.

He had a rough season last year, but more importantly the team wasn't ready to run with an improven tandem of Gus and Forsberg after trading Murray.

We needed someone to bridge us until Sogaard, who is seen as the next one in line, is ready, in theory we could have replaced Forsberg with a vet starter and used Gus as backup,

All that said, the lack of patience really stems from a desire to be competitive this season, they really wanted to have a proven starter, and Forsberg was already locked up as a backup leaving no room for a waivers eligible unproven goalie.

 

[Larionov]

If there's one silver lining to this mess it is this - Talbot is going to get almost every start for the rest of the year when healthy, save for a handful of back to backs. He should be highly motivated, as he is playing for a contract for next season. At this point, we really have no choice but to run with Talbot as an "own rental" and see how it goes...

 

[Big Muddy]

I come in peace, what did you all not like in Gus? Or do you feel they gave up on him too soon? The kid has been solid for us.

He had a rough season last year, but more importantly the team wasn't ready to run with an improven tandem of Gus and Forsberg after trading Murray.

We needed someone to bridge us until Sogaard, who is seen as the next one in line, is ready, in theory we could have replaced Forsberg with a vet starter and used Gus as backup,

All that said, the lack of patience really stems from a desire to be competitive this season, they really wanted to have a proven starter, and Forsberg was already locked up as a backup leaving no room for a waivers eligible unproven goalie.

It seemed like they were grooming Gustavsson over the years though to eventually be the starter. He also seemed like a key piece coming back to the Senators in the trade that acquired him.

I do wonder if Dorion knew the Senators needed a good year if he had any hope of remaining as the GM. I get the idea of wanting to be a better team and not wanting to take any chances, but if the expectations were just to play meaningful games in March this season, then why wouldn't utilizing a young tender as the backup be in line with that strategy? That's why I wonder if the pressure to have a good season was the reason behind moving Gus.

 

[Micklebot]

It seemed like they were grooming Gustavsson over the years though to eventually be the starter. He also seemed like a key piece coming back to the Senators in the trade that acquired him.

I do wonder if Dorion knew the Senators needed a good year if he had any hope of remaining as the GM. I get the idea of wanting to be a better team and not wanting to take any chances, but if the expectations were just to play meaningful games in March this season, then why wouldn't utilizing a young tender as the backup be in line with that strategy? That's why I wonder if the pressure to have a good season was the reason behind moving Gus.

The real problem was when we decided to extend Forsberg after a really good year, we committed to him being our backup. That all but guaranteed Gus was on the way out as he was waiver exempt. When we managed to trade Murray there was the slight possibility of running with Forsberg and Gus, but with Dorion championing meaningful games in March, that seemed pretty risky.

I think Gus having a bad season right before becoming waiver eligible spooked Dorion, he saw it as Hogberg all over again

 

[bicboi64]

I come in peace, what did you all not like in Gus? Or do you feel they gave up on him too soon? The kid has been solid for us.

Dorion is an idiot. He gives up on a goalie after 22 games and thinks his development isn't worth it. He's stupid enough to assume that our defense contributed nothing to Gus not performing in the 18 games he played last season. Rather than shore up the defense, he decides Talbot is the answer.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I come in peace, what did you all not like in Gus? Or do you feel they gave up on him too soon? The kid has been solid for us.

Hindsight .. should have kept Gus. Gus was inconsistent here but that is a young player thing that improves over time imo.
Team was not ready to compete for a spot . Dorion over estimated where they were .. More hope and emo driven which is a Dorion pattern.

 

[Boud]

Hindsight .. should have kept Gus. Gus was inconsistent here but that is a young player thing that improves over time imo.
Team was not ready to compete for a spot . Dorion over estimated where they were .. More hope and emo driven which is a Dorion pattern.

Tbh Gus was just plain bad last year after he showed well the year before. Easy to say now and technically they could've ran with it but with the moves that were made and the hope to get a Dman in the offseason I thought the Talbot move made sense. After all that happened in the last 5 years I thought it was time the team tried to make moves towards a winning roster.

Gus had a wide open spot in net on this team last season, many people thought he would have a shot at the starter role but he dissapointed. He's young and all but clearly team didn't see him as the long term option.

This year bad luck played a part with injuries to key players like Zub and Norris, bad coaching decisions and weak defense. Still not worried for us in net. Might not be Stanley Cup caliber but with another top 4 Dman and less injuries this team is seriously battling for a playoff spot at the least.