Call for sweeping changes?

[RightKinger]

Don't move Brown but accept that he is a bottom 6er now. 2nd line is set with the 70's boys, Pearson not King. 1st line has Kopi and Gaborik so they need a legit winger. So you have -

Gaborik-Kopitar-?
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Lewis-Nolan

 

[RightKinger]

Did the Kings not get enough offense from the bottom 6, the D? Can someone pull up stats as to where they rank in these areas compared to the rest of the NHL?

 

[damacles1156]

Did the Kings not get enough offense from the bottom 6, the D? Can someone pull up stats as to where they rank in these areas compared to the rest of the NHL?

The Kings offense died because of Two people.

Richards/Brown. That's it.

It had nothing to do with system/Coach/PP/ Kopitar / Defense ETC.

Richards and Brown were suppose to provide 35+ goals and 80+ points.

They produced 16 goals and 43 Points for 12 million dollars. No cap team is going to overcome that drop in production; from two guys that were counted on for top six tweener production.

That's were the Kings offense got hurt.

You want to be sick too your stomach ? Dwight King costs about 1.5 million, King put up 13 Goals and 26 points...King also outscored Richards/Brown at ES combined(for goals).

 

[Omni Owl]

The Kings offense died because of Two people.

Richards/Brown. That's it.

It had nothing to do with system/Coach/PP/ Kopitar / Defense ETC.

Richards and Brown were suppose to provide 35+ goals and 80+ points.

They produced 16 goals and 43 Points for 12 million dollars. No cap team is going to overcome that drop in production; from two guys that were counted on for top six tweener production.

That's were the Kings offense got hurt.

You want to be sick too your stomach ? Dwight King costs about 1.5 million, King put up 13 Goals and 26 points...King also outscored Richards/Brown at ES combined(for goals).

That's absolutely atrocious. A team's captain should not play like that or have those results. No excuses.

 

[Sandino]

/sarcasm

Can anyone with Eastside Hockey Manager or NHL 15 see if a trade of Anze Kopitar(sign and trade) and Slava Voynov to the Florida Panthers for Aaron Ekblad and a 2016 1st round pick will go through?

 

[Kurrilino]

Kings need speed.

They also need to see if Shore, Andreoff, and Weal can lock up the #3 and #4 center positions otherwise they will have to sign a UFA, but with the Cap issues, I don't know.

How much room do we have to sign a UFA? I guess it depends on a lot of things...ie MR and Voynov....

What do you mean by the Kings need speed.
There aren't too many faster guys than Brown, Gaborik, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson or Lewis.

The problem is not our speed.... the problem is that Sutter's system is taking the speed out on purpose.

 

[Kurrilino]

The Kings offense died because of Two people.

Richards/Brown. That's it.

It had nothing to do with system/Coach/PP/ Kopitar / Defense ETC.

wow......

Kopitar going down from 34 goals and 81 points to
16 goals and 64 points has absolutely nothing to to with that ???

 

[YP44]

What do you mean by the Kings need speed.
There aren't too many faster guys than Brown, Gaborik, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson or Lewis.

The problem is not our speed.... the problem is that Sutter's system is taking the speed out on purpose.

only way sutter goes is if he retires or gets promoted to a hockey ops role.
I like sutter but for argument sake imagine if LA could get babcock.

 

[Jason Lewis]

What do you mean by the Kings need speed.
There aren't too many faster guys than Brown, Gaborik, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson or Lewis.

The problem is not our speed.... the problem is that Sutter's system is taking the speed out on purpose.

Is that before or after he falls down six times on each shift?

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I'd say Carter, Pearson and Lewis have good speed. The rest of those are average. Gaborik used to be quick but I'd maybe consider him above average but not fast. And Brown? Come on now!

 

[Jason Lewis]

So what does Miracle Sutter does to the team.

Implements a sense of purpose up and down the roster. Establish roles within the team. Gets them to focus on defense, accountability, and possession.

Win two cups.


That's what Sutter did.

 

[KINGS17]

Implements a sense of purpose up and down the roster. Establish roles within the team. Gets them to focus on defense, accountability, and possession.

Win two cups.


That's what Sutter did.

Yeah, but what has he done for us lately? Like, say in the last week.

 

[damacles1156]

wow......

Kopitar going down from 34 goals and 81 points to
16 goals and 64 points has absolutely nothing to to with that ???

You do know Kopitar scored that Career year under Terry Murray's/Lombardi's system right? (the same system basically the Kings still play).

His second career year was under Sutter(with a tweaked Terry Murray/Lombardi system). This is also the Third time in Kopitar's career he will have 48+ assist under Sutter/Murray. Kopitar is not a problem, Neither is the system the Kings play.

Do some research man. You embarrass yourself nightly on this board, with zero thought going into your posts. Trying to help you out, trust me.

 

[damacles1156]

About systems...

You (certain) folks do realize that Hockey systems are old as the game itself right ? No one plays some super secret system.

It's teams either have the players to execute their system to perfection, or they don't.

Largely, games are won and lost by players, and the plays they make. Too much credit/blame is placed on coaches/systems.

Also the (System) is not decided on by the LA Kings Coach(exclusively), It's an organization wide Mentality(system) that Starts, and ends with Dean Lombardi. So the calls for Sutter's head, are meaningless. Dean Lombardi will put another Murray/Sutter clone behind the bench, and you (certain folks)will hate that guy too.

His name is John Stevens.

 

[Wisp]

The problems with your current lineup is that margin between elite and goal starved are super thin. I have no doubt they have what it takes to best most opponents over seven games but it makes succeeding in the regular season incredibly challenging.

The Kings long term cap situation isn't exactly flexible. I'm not sure what you do to fix it but here's hoping they can't.

 

[damacles1156]

Its really simple why scoring dried up.

With Pearson injured.

Brown/Richards not providing anything basically. That is going to dry up your scoring.

Say Brown/Richards pot Ten more goals between them, that's literally Five more apiece.

Say some of those came during those 15 OT losses that were one goal games.. The Kings are a 100 point team, and off they go.

Folks, Kopitar/Carter are not good enough to carry the Kings offensively all season long. They are not Crosby/Malkin, who by the way may miss the playoffs as well due to Pitt not having Depth at all.

You need Depth scoring in this league. You can't afford to pay 12 million dollars to two guys that can't muster 20 goals or 40 points between them. That kills your team, it killed the Kings offense this year.

 

[theMajor]

Yeah, but what has he done for us lately? Like, say in the last week.

The Kings are tired and statistically speaking, incredibly unlucky (3/18 in OT/SO games..... ).
To imply that the burden of missing the playoffs rests on Sutter's shoulders alone is entirely asinine if not borderline insane.

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings are tired and statistically speaking, incredibly unlucky (3/18 in OT/SO games..... ).
To imply that the burden of missing the playoffs rests on Sutter's shoulders alone is entirely asinine if not borderline insane.

He is being sarcastic. Kings17 is not serious when he posts like that, about Sutter. He is making fun of the ludicrous (few people) who do think it's pretty much all Sutter's Fault.

 

[theMajor]

well, I am a bit cranky about some of the posts Im seeing so my apologies for not detecting the sarcasm

 

[The Night King]

Its really simple why scoring dried up.

With Pearson injured.

Brown/Richards not providing anything basically. That is going to dry up your scoring.

Say Brown/Richards pot Ten more goals between them, that's literally Five more apiece.

Say some of those came during those 15 OT losses that were one goal games.. The Kings are a 100 point team, and off they go.

Folks, Kopitar/Carter are not good enough to carry the Kings offensively all season long. They are not Crosby/Malkin, who by the way may miss the playoffs as well due to Pitt not having Depth at all.

You need Depth scoring in this league. You can't afford to pay 12 million dollars to two guys that can't muster 20 goals or 40 points between them. That kills your team, it killed the Kings offense this year.

Completely agree... I don't exactly have a solution, but the criticism of these two guys is warranted.

 

[KINGS17]

The Kings are tired and statistically speaking, incredibly unlucky (3/18 in OT/SO games..... ).
To imply that the burden of missing the playoffs rests on Sutter's shoulders alone is entirely asinine if not borderline insane.

Just for the record, and I am serious about this, I have often written that Sutter has forgotten more than any of us posting here will ever know about coaching a hockey team. And no worries about detecting the sarcasm. Those it was directed at got the message I'm sure.

To Damacles point regarding hockey systems, I think the most important thing is for the GM and his scouting and development staff to provide the type of players to the coach that are required to play the organization's system.

The coach has to be fully committed to that system.

The Kings seem to have all of those attributes going for them at this point in time from top to bottom.

 

[damacles1156]

Just for the record, and I am serious about this, I have often written that Sutter has forgotten more than any of us posting here will ever know about coaching a hockey team. And no worries about detecting the sarcasm. Those it was directed at got the message I'm sure.

To Damacles point regarding hockey systems, I think the most important thing is for the GM and his scouting and development staff to provide the type of players to the coach that are required to play the organization's system.

The coach has to be fully committed to that system.

The Kings seem to have all of those attributes going for them at this point in time from top to bottom.

100% correct. Great post.

In Lombardi's defense, he could not even foresee Brown/Richards dropping off this badly. I am not going to trash Lombardi cause he couldn't see the future.

What is important now, is that Lombardi works hard to correct the Roster, and get Sutter the correct players he needs.

 

[KINGS17]

The problems with your current lineup is that margin between elite and goal starved are super thin. I have no doubt they have what it takes to best most opponents over seven games but it makes succeeding in the regular season incredibly challenging.

The Kings long term cap situation isn't exactly flexible. I'm not sure what you do to fix it but here's hoping they can't.

Interesting article on the Kings' cap situation here:

http://nhlnumbers.com/2015/2/2/eyes-on-the-dollar-los-angeles-kings

This article advocates getting rid of the Richards and Brown contracts. Something many here would favor. It's a bit unrealistic though IMO.

Richards is a goner for sure as are Stoll and Williams IMO, Brown will get another shot at it next season. It would certainly be a bold move for Dean to move Brown in the off season though.

 

[Kurrilino]

Implements a sense of purpose up and down the roster. Establish roles within the team. Gets them to focus on defense, accountability, and possession.

Win two cups.


That's what Sutter did.

We didn't win 2 cups because of Sutter, we won it despite having Sutter.

Like i said, if not for divine intervention we shouldn't even have made the playoff

 

[damacles1156]

I don't think Lombardi would entertain the thought of moving Brown this off-season.

If Brown has another season like his last two ? I bet the thought would enter Lombardi's mind. That would be three seasons in a row of sub-par production.

It would be a messy divorce though, Brown has a (Handshake) NTC with Lombardi.