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C/W Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Ässät, Liiga (2018, 3rd, MTL) Part II

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NotProkofievian said:
Lol. No. The original claim was that he will certainly have better skating development in Montreal. My original post was that this was just asserted without evidence. You said that ''it would make sense.'' And now I'm the one with the burden of proof?
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The original argument put forth by "Montreal" implied that we CAN'T do as good or better here in Montreal which is nonsensical in my eyes. He stated that we should send Kotka back to Pori so that he can improve his skating. I said that there is no doubt that Montreal has as good(in the event that finland has world class skating coaches) or better (world class) skating coaches so there is no need to send him back if he can handle the stresses of playing here, as he will undoubtedly improve his skating just the same orrrrrr better!
 
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HankyZetts said:
Because I know for a fact that they work with top hockey schools here in Montreal.
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which ones do they work with? When do they do this, i'm guessing the development camp?

HankyZetts said:
The original argument put forth by "Montreal" implied that we CAN'T do as good or better here in Montreal which is nonsensical in my eyes. He stated that we should send Kotka back to Pori so that he can improve his skating. I said that there is no doubt that Montreal has as good(in the event that finland has world class skating coaches) or better (world class) skating coaches so there is no need to send him back if he can handle the stresses of playing here, as he will undoubtedly improve his skating just the same orrrrrr better!
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I disagree that just because it's the Habs they have the best, and since this management team has made so many mistakes with development, I don't think we can sit here and say they do what's best. To me the mere fact that McCarron had to hire his own skating coach says different, that the Habs were doing what's best for him. He clearly looks improved in his speed although I'll be watching him closely in Laval.

But I don't think he has to be in Finland to get better skating coaching, I think he needs to be there to have more time to work on it. An 18 year old playing in the NHL for the most rabid fan/media base, playing a difficult position and one that he hasn't play that much in the past year. He's going to have a ton of pressure, he's going to constantly being learning things, when is he going to have time to train when he's either playing 82 games, traveling, or at practice. And I don't mean that just skating, I mean doing nothing but working with a skating coach on his own since he's said he knows he needs to work on his skating.
 
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I think that based on his current pace of development, by the time of his ninth game he will be skating circles around Connor McDavid, and when the playoffs come he will have broken the space-time continuum. Doesn’t matter who his coach is.
 
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One good thing he has going for him is that he has a positive mindset and seem very open about improving his game in every facets. Hes a great competitor and he plays a sound defensive game , just lacking some physical maturity.

Thats how you win things in this league : when your top offensive players also care a lot about defense play.

KotKot could be a coach favorite and one of our best offensive weapon in a couple of years.
 
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Bleeker said:
Tell me more about how the work of a GM is that much related to a player development
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For the Habs they continue to make the same mistakes. They had 19/20 year olds that were just starting to put things together in the AHL aside from a few who started off strongly but they couldn't leave them alone to develop in the AHL for even a full season. They would call them up, the coach would bench them for little mistakes, then he would put them in the press box, then they would get sent down and they often struggled when sent down to get back to what they were doing before they were called up. Rinse, repeat several times over.

Now in no way am I saying that this is all on management or the coaching staff, the players have their own blame, the scouts as well. But the Habs clearly have had a lot of problems developing players in the last several years. They had imo one of the worst head coaches i've ever seen in the AHL. Not only did management think hiring a guy with zero head coaching experience a good idea, but after his team was one of the worst in the AHL and he made what imo was some really terrible decisions like taking your most skilled player off the top line and PP only to replace them with no talent grinders when you have the worst rated PP in the league. But that wasn't the worst part, it was re-hiring him and then even worse giving him another chance despite not getting much help from the AHL only to then finally fire him.

Clearly management has a large share of the blame for why the Habs are in the situation they are in, one of their worst seasons in the modern era, trouble developing talent, poor asset management as Timmins drafted Subban, Sergachev, McDonagh, Pac, Galchenyuk, yet management has traded them all away.
 
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Paul Maurice said:
I'm really starting to doubt scouting agencies. What are they doing, really? This guy was ranked around #20-15 all season long. Not that i knew any better, but it's not my job.
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That happens alot with younger players. He just developped more in his draft year then most of the other prospects.
 

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He started to study french since he got drafted. He thinks it is really important to learn about Montreal hockey culture and communicate with main language of that hockey community. He seems to be really smart kid.
 
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Daximus said:
On most playoff teams he'd be in the 3rd or 4th line range for ice time likely.
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I agree. And on a contender team, he would already been sent down to AHL or Finland. What is interesting with the Habs is there won't probably be a 1st or a 2nd line. With alot of good wingers and no clear cut top 6 centers, i think Julien will run the first 3 lines about equally, depending on the opposition. So it guarantees 15 minutes of ice time for the rookie, with some quality PP time also. This with good wingers. Considering that, i'm pretty sure KK stays up for the season, except if he looks out of place in the his 9 games stint.
 

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HankyZetts said:
Who cares who the Habs skating coach is, did you not read what I said? If a player needs EXTRA work to develop his skating, the Montreal Canadiens have and will provide all the resources possible to help said player. Moreso than Pori, Finland can provide.

Maybe Galchenyuk, Hudon and Mccarron just sucked at skating compared to the worlds best hockey players? Why don't you put any blame on the players themselves?

So now we are saying "send him back to Finland because Bergevin and co. specifically won't help him develop his strength and skating. If we had someone else at the helm, I'd be all for Kotka staying in MTL; Because as I said Chucky, Mccarron and Hudon would all be much better skaters if not for Bergy and his views on development"? Is that what I'm getting from you Montreal?

I get that you hate the Habs management but that does not make your arguments any more reasonable.
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If the Habs do everything right, why do they rarely get anything right? Someone is obviously doing something wrong.
 
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