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C/W Brad Lambert (2022, 30th, WPG) Part 3

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lomiller1 said:
I want to see him away from the terrible Finnish coaching before I make any conclusions.
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Yes Finland is known for the terrible coaches, if Finland didn't have such a huge advantage in player material those shit coaches would have never coached finland to any success on any level.

gritdash60 said:
Yes Finland is known for the terrible coaches, if Finland didn't have such a huge advantage in player material those shit coaches would have never coached finland to any success on any level.
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For example the last olympics, Jalonen almost blew it and the other teams had 0 players from Liiga!
 
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lomiller1 said:
I want to see him away from the terrible Finnish coaching before I make any conclusions.
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You mean away from the same terrible coaching that has coached the one year younger Joakim Kemell to the 2nd place in the U20 WJC tournament’s scoring as a double underager? The same Kemell that sunk Canada and it’s generational wonderboy Bedard in this spring’s U18 WJC?

 
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Ippenator said:
You mean away from the same terrible coaching that has coached the one year younger Joakim Kemell to the 2nd place in the U20 WJC tournament’s scoring as a double underager? The same Kemell that sunk Canada and it’s generational wonderboy Bedard in this spring’s U18 WJC?
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He needs to be coached by a 80yo Canadian dude, ask Kimmo Timonen he will tell you coach Q was incredible!
 
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Ippenator said:
Lets add, fifth different coach in the last two years… Same poor results each time though.
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What do 16 year olds usually score in liiga so I can compare Lamberts bad results against good results to see how poor his results are.
 
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ffh said:
What do 16 year olds usually score in liiga so I can compare Lamberts bad results against good results to see how poor his results are.
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He was 17 then, not 16. He is a 2003 born, so he was most of the 2020-2021 season already 17. At that age Barkov, Laine, Kakko, Puljujärvi, Granlund and Kemell all were massively better than him. And practically anyone who has got the similar amount of ice time in their 17 year old season have done better than him. And anyway from that season to his latest season, he simply didn’t develop one bit. Not during the previous season and not during the last season. No change of coaches changed really anything about his game. The same running around like a headless chicken and turning the puck over here and there and everywhere.
 
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Ippenator said:
Lets add, fifth different coach in the last two years… Same poor results each time though.
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Diminishing results, actually. And coaching seems largely responsible for this, just look at the absurd 5-men abreast across zone breakout his last Liiga team was using. It's looks like something out of a mighty ducks movie only worse.

Or just look at the "coaching" he received in this tournament. He starts off playing well, but is gets benched for trying to make plays, then gets benched for not making enough plays then gets benched because he's confused as hell about what the coach actually wants him to do. Maybe the coach was trying to make some point, but if you end up confusing the player instead of helping them you shouldn't be coaching at this level.
 
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lomiller1 said:
Diminishing results, actually. And coaching seems largely responsible for this, just look at the absurd 5-men abreast across zone breakout his last Liiga team was using. It's looks like something out of a mighty ducks movie only worse.

Or just look at the "coaching" he received in this tournament. He starts off playing well, but is gets benched for trying to make plays, then gets benched for not making enough plays then gets benched because he's confused as hell about what the coach actually wants him to do. Maybe the coach was trying to make some point, but if you end up confusing the player instead of helping them you shouldn't be coaching at this level.
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So where does his own accountability come in? Kemell played about half of last season under the same coaching as Lambert. For some reason Kemell was a star and Lambert was pretty much shit, although they started the season with similar ice time. And the coach that you are referring to was in fact coaching Lambert only later in the season, after Lambert again wanted to change teams. That coach (Tommi Niemelä) though took Finland three years ago as a complete underdog to the U18 WJC gold with a clearly weaker roster than Canada and the USA had in the same tournament.

Not sure that you can really say that he is a bad coach unless you have really followed his teams play in a lot of full games. Making your assumptions on the basis of a videoclip made by a huge Lambert fan of a scout who also didn’t seem to even have much of the correct info about the season and the teams that Lambert was involved with then. In fact the video and the scout on it sounded awfully unprofessional because of having a lot of incorrect info of the league and the player that he was supposed to have been watching with attention.

What became obvious in that video though, was how a fan wanted desperately for his favorite to do well, and when Lambert did terrible, the fan looked for all the possible other reasons for it than Lambert himself and his unfortunate lack of talent and own bad play.

Tube Skates said:
If Lambert can turn himself into a penalty killer like Micheal Grabner or Yanic Perreault he would be great value at that draft slot. Winterpeg needs a specialist. Could be his calling card
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This is what I could in fact see happening. Means that he has to drastically change his attitude and playing style though. And I don’t know if his daddy will allow it… :sarcasm:
 
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It's such a shame that he hasn't panned out the way we would have wanted thus far, he has all the tools to become a great player, i still think he could figure it out but he needs to start working on using his teammates to open up space more, i feel like he has gotten a massive pressure of frustration built up on his shoulders.
 
ChicagoBullsFan said:
Are you surprised of that how much Helenius has regressed in these U20 WJC's?
Look how big he's it's not easy to get that size body to move fast.
So is it a news for you 6'6 guy like Helenius lacks skating speed

Lambert is what he is and that's it.
Of course you can speculate so much of that how to use Lambert better etc.
But perhaps Pennanen has clear reason to treat Lambert that way how he's done.
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I know Helenius is a big guy and not a speedster. I never said he was a fast guy or expected him to be fast. What I meant was that I would like to see Lambert play with faster players in the future, not already in this tournament. You misunderstood what I wrote.
 
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Esko6 said:
That is who I have always compared him to, but he would be lucky if he has a career as good as Kapanen.
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RW Kasperi Kapanen (2014, 22nd, PIT; traded to TOR)

Kasperi Kapanen, LW(179 cm / 5'10" , 75 kg / 165 lbs) the son of Sami Kapanen. 2014 draftee any 1st round potential? Scored a nice goal today. 3rd goal in FEL and also plays on the same team as his father.
forums.hfboards.com forums.hfboards.com

It's like reading about Lambert.
 
Kapanen seems to have some kind of issues too. Should ask his dad how to round out his game and he'd be amazing. Won't ever be a first liner.
 
lomiller1 said:
Diminishing results, actually. And coaching seems largely responsible for this, just look at the absurd 5-men abreast across zone breakout his last Liiga team was using. It's looks like something out of a mighty ducks movie only worse.

Or just look at the "coaching" he received in this tournament. He starts off playing well, but is gets benched for trying to make plays, then gets benched for not making enough plays then gets benched because he's confused as hell about what the coach actually wants him to do. Maybe the coach was trying to make some point, but if you end up confusing the player instead of helping them you shouldn't be coaching at this level.
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Against Slovakia, Lambert got benched because he was playing terrible.
 
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Jukurit said:
Against Slovakia, Lambert got benched because he was playing terrible.
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He played well in their first two games and then got demoted for unknown reasons. He had a few bad shifts vs Slovakia and was benched and then banished to the 4th line.

He's getting the Sam Bennett treatment.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
He played well in their first two games and then got demoted for unknown reasons. He had a few bad shifts vs Slovakia and was benched and then banished to the 4th line.

He's getting the Sam Bennett treatment.
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He definitely didn’t really play well in those games either. Well, the PP goal was nice for sure, but otherwise he was pretty weak and prone to his bad habits in those games as well.
 
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The main “problem” with Lambert at this point is that he comes with this incredible amount of expectation and hype from certain casual fans…none of which is reasonable or warranted and all of which was prematurely generated when he was a very, very young prospect.

If you take out all the noise and just view him as a talented but flawed prospect taken at the tail end of the first round - he’s fine, the expectations are fine and even his performance is fine. He’s on nobody’s radar as a “top prospect”, a upside projection of Kasperi Kapanen or other mid-six forward is not an insult at all and the expectation that he could also never make it isn’t some crazy disappointing realization - it’s just par for the course for this level of prospect.

But because of all the hype he’s had since he was like 14…this all seems like just a massive failure and we talk about it for 50 pages. If you take off the name “Brad Lambert” he’s maybe got a 2 or 3 page thread from the past year where there are some comments about his silky speed and how he might be a great utility player someday who has some interesting tools but that he’s got a long ways to go.
 
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BKarchitect said:
The main “problem” with Lambert at this point is that he comes with this incredible amount of expectation and hype from certain casual fans…none of which is reasonable or warranted and all of which was prematurely generated when he was a very, very young prospect.

If you take out all the noise and just view him as a talented but flawed prospect taken at the tail end of the first round - he’s fine, the expectations are fine and even his performance is fine. He’s on nobody’s radar as a “top prospect”, a upside projection of Kasperi Kapanen or other mid-six forward is not an insult at all and the expectation that he could also never make it isn’t some crazy disappointing realization - it’s just par for the course for this level of prospect.

But because of all the hype he’s had since he was like 14…this all seems like just a massive failure and we talk about it for 50 pages. If you take off the name “Brad Lambert” he’s maybe got a 2 or 3 page thread from the past year where there are some comments about his silky speed and how he might be a great utility player someday who has some interesting tools but that he’s got a long ways to go.
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He was great in 2 games at the canceled WJC, had 5 points and controlled the play. That added some doubt in people's minds that he'd fallen off as a prospect.
 
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