C Shane Wright (2022, 4th, SEA) Part 4

gstommylee

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This is such a shit post. Having good facilities and practice doesn't make you a better hockey player.

If that were the case any 4th line plug would make huge progress since they get to practice with the team and get massages every day.

Players of Wright's caliber need to play against other players in a meaningful way otherwise they will stagnate. Look at Wrights progress (or there lack of) when he took an entire year off due to covid.

The person is right though. Throw Wright back in the OHL for the sake of "ice time" and he's not going to develop more than what people think he would. The Jr majors actually care about player development that darn agreement with the NHL would not exist. Wright isn't going to develop into some "great NHLer" playing vs teens, He needs to face older players and that only option right now is the NHL.

WHL OHL and QJMHL only care about is themselves not of what the NHL and the player's own interest are.

Don’t forget how 6 minutes of ice time helps his development. Lol.
Plus who the hell is Wompie.

Just another Seattle fan who actually gets it as to why Wright is still with the kraken and not sent back yet. THere is way way more to player development than throwing him on the ice give a ton of ice time and let him figure it out...
 

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The person is right though. Throw Wright back in the OHL for the sake of "ice time" and he's not going to develop more than what people think he would. The Jr majors actually care about player development that darn agreement with the NHL would not exist. Wright isn't going to develop into some "great NHLer" playing vs teens, He needs to face older players and that only option right now is the NHL.

WHL OHL and QJMHL only care about is themselves not of what the NHL and the player's own interest are.



Just another Seattle fan who actually gets it as to why Wright is still with the kraken and not sent back yet. THere is way way more to player development than throwing him on the ice give a ton of ice time and let him figure it out...
If you want him to stagnate then sure.
 

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The person is right though. Throw Wright back in the OHL for the sake of "ice time" and he's not going to develop more than what people think he would. The Jr majors actually care about player development that darn agreement with the NHL would not exist. Wright isn't going to develop into some "great NHLer" playing vs teens, He needs to face older players and that only option right now is the NHL.

WHL OHL and QJMHL only care about is themselves not of what the NHL and the player's own interest are.



Just another Seattle fan who actually gets it as to why Wright is still with the kraken and not sent back yet. THere is way way more to player development than throwing him on the ice give a ton of ice time and let him figure it out...
He's going to get ice time and play in all situations which he is not doing in the NHL. Who cares about the facilities in major juniors, they're not even going to have facilities on par with NHL or AHL facilities anyway, even some college program facilities are better than pro hockey facilities. Players aren't being sent back because of facilities in their leagues. They are sent back because they are not ready. Period.

A post from a random redditor who probably isn't even involved in player development themselves doesn't prove your point dude lol.
 

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A big problem that Kingston would be facing right now is that the team wouldn’t be able to get fair value back for him right now.

In the OHL - you can only trade first round 16 year olds in a week window in early January and the player has to agree to the move.

A player of Wrights calibre would garner a massive haul in which a 16 year old 1st round pick would have to be apart of the package sent back to Kingston - if Seattle insists he be moved before they return him - there isn’t many landing spots for him before early January.

Shitty situation all the way around.
 
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A big problem that Kingston would be facing right now is that the team wouldn’t be able to get fair value back for him right now.

In the OHL - you can only trade first round 16 year olds in a week window in early January and the player has to agree to the move.

A player of Wrights calibre would garner a massive haul in which a 16 year old 1st round pick would have to be apart of the package sent back to Kingston - if Seattle insists he be moved before they return him - there isn’t many landing spots for him before early January.

Shitty situation all the way around.
That's only if landing a 16 year old is the only key piece. They could opt for a highly touted 17 year old instead since Kingston's potentially vying to host the Memorial Cup next season, having someone who is 17 now (18 next year) would make them stronger as potential hosts than a 16 year old going on 17 would.

Honestly, if Kingston's serious about the bid for next year, that's exactly what they should be doing. Using the Wright trade to basically build as good a roster for the 2023-2024 season.
 
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That's only if landing a 16 year old is the only key piece. They could opt for a highly touted 17 year old instead since Kingston's potentially vying to host the Memorial Cup next season, having someone who is 17 now (18 next year) would make them stronger as potential hosts than a 16 year old going on 17 would.

Honestly, if Kingston's serious about the bid for next year, that's exactly what they should be doing. Using the Wright trade to basically build as good a roster for the 2023-2024 season.
It was kind of what I was referring to - the Windsor Spitfires would make a lot of sense if a move were to be made.

They just learned last years OHL Player of the year, Wyatt Johnston isn’t returning, they’re off to a great start to the year and they have a high end ‘05 that went 4th overall in 2021 that is somewhat expendable in Ethan Miedema.

Add on the fact that there was rumours draft day that Miedema was who Kingston REALLY wanted at #5 overall that year and were left scrambling when Windsor took him the pick before they selected and they took Soto at #5 instead.

This is just me speculating but it all makes a ton of sense to me.
 
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There is more to developing a player than ice time to where its worth actually keeping him in the NHL. Way more than what any fanbase understands.

its called being able to control what goes on with the player. The jr majors do not give a rats ass what the NHL wants they only care for themselves and their own interest.



Not every 18/19 year old player is the same...
Most of the fanbase understands it's called "major junior".

What about all the teams that sent their 18 year olds back after 9 games, did they not understand either? Why didn't they keep their prospects in the NHL and scratch them?
 
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Wait a moment..... Seattle fans are actually defending Dave Hakstol's handling of shame Wright?!?!? Just look at how 'awesome' he did handling Travis Konecny and playing him with all star board players Chris Vandevelde and Jori Lehtera. Or how he flip flopped with Gostisbehere - offensive catalyst one year to trying to turn him into a defensive stalwart the following. And you need to know that he forbade defensive from leading rushes or carrying the puck into the defensive zone, unless their name was Brandon Manning because Brandon played the game with some 'balls'.

Honestly, Dave Hakstol should absolutely be THE LAST coach in the game to handle the development of a young player of any position.
 
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What the hell?!?! He’s benched again?!?!

Even if you believe he should sit for a few, play a few….4 games in row being benched is too much!!
 

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Wait a moment..... Seattle fans are actually defending Dave Hakstol's handling of shame Wright?!?!? Just look at how 'awesome' he did handling Travis Konecny and playing him with all star board players Chris Vandevelde and Jori Lehtera. Or how he flip flopped with Gostisbehere - offensive catalyst one year to trying to turn him into a defensive stalwart the following. And you need to know that he forbade defensive from leading rushes or carrying the puck into the defensive zone, unless their name was Brandon Manning because Brandon played the game with some 'balls'.

Honestly, Dave Hakstol should absolutely be THE LAST coach in the game to handle the development of a young player of any position.
And yet Beniers is doing great playing with Hakstol.

Whenever a player doesn't meet their expectations, the fanboys always put all the blame on the coach or the linemates.

There have been red flags about Wright for months now. It can't always be everybody else's fault. This guy simply needs to pull his head out of his ass, drop his entitled act and start showing more urgency in his play. .
 

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The person is right though. Throw Wright back in the OHL for the sake of "ice time" and he's not going to develop more than what people think he would. The Jr majors actually care about player development that darn agreement with the NHL would not exist. Wright isn't going to develop into some "great NHLer" playing vs teens, He needs to face older players and that only option right now is the NHL.

WHL OHL and QJMHL only care about is themselves not of what the NHL and the player's own interest are.



Just another Seattle fan who actually gets it as to why Wright is still with the kraken and not sent back yet. THere is way way more to player development than throwing him on the ice give a ton of ice time and let him figure it out...
Why do 99% of teams in NHL history send down their players who aren’t ready instead of just keeping them up with the team to practice all year then?
 
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The counter point to this is continuing to gain real in-game experience in a legit offensive role, and maybe even more important, continuing to gain confidence in your game.

I think a good example of the importance of being put in prime roles, and gaining confidence by dominating, is the “relative age effect” in hockey (and many sports). Worth Googling, but basically for countries who do Jan 1st hockey cutoffs, kids born in January-March are ~3x more likely to make top level leagues, make the NHL, etc. than those born Oct-Dec. This is because they’re older than their peers, thus temporarily better, so they get prime offensive roles and lots of ice time, and this leads to them becoming actually long term better. Meanwhile the youngest kids are always outmatched, get put into supporting roles with less ice time, and just become supporting players.

Obviously it’s more complex than that, you need to be challenged, you need good coaching in practices, etc. But keeping a player in a league where they’re so outmatched they get little ice time, few offensive chances/responsibilities, and basically just get dominated … pretty risky, not something we often are working out well. I personally don’t think great facilities, conversations with NHL vets, etc. outweighs the damage from “I’m barely playing, and when I do step on the ice I get dominated.”

That post mentions Beniers. Beniers was a very good player for Michigan in 2021/22, a PPG player, but instead of going straight to Seattle, he went back to Michigan. Became the team’s best player (IMO), lead them in points and +/-, then came to the NHL with great star experience and lots of confidence, ready to immediately contribute. Seems weird to try to draw a parallel between Beniers’ path and Wright’s - going back to the OHL would be a much more similar path to what Beniers did for Wright.
 
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Kind of funny how many apologists this awful development has.

No, it's not good for a player to not play for a week. He could watch the games on tape from home while playing in OHL, too, and would probably see things better anyway because he could rewind and pause and focus on the things the coaches want him to see. There's no benefit to sitting in the press box and if this was the plan then he should just have been sent down a while ago.


Top tier facilities are overrated. In a gym, you need a bench, a squat rack, a bar and some plates. Even in the garage, or the basement. This has to be the most overrated thing of them all.


"There is no such thing as developing just by playing" - Uh yes, yes there is. Thought experiments are fun and all and can be useful to an extent, but you actually need to put things into practice to learn anything. Aka, you have to play. You learn to play hockey by playing hockey. You can form a plan for what you'll try to learn beforehand, yes, but you need to actually play to learn it, teach them to your body. If you just learn things without putting them into practice, you'll forget them.

Like with maths. You can learn all the formulas in the world but until you put them into practice and use them to solve exercises, you won't actually learn anything, and will forget everything soon enough.
 

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This guy has played in 84 competitive hockey games since March of 2020 and people think he won't benefit by playing in hockey games?

It's a complete BS narrative that he is "too good for junior" with nothing to gain. If that was the case he would have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league last season, and he straight up wasn't.

Contrast this to Alexis Lafreniere who was very clearly too good for junior hockey scoring at over 2 p/gp. Shane was at 1.5 and almost fell out of top 10 in league scoring. Guys who were ahead of him in the points race are STILL playing in the OHL. Shouldn't they be too good for the league?

If a guy like Mitch Marner can be sent back to junior in his D+1 then Shane Wright sure as hell can be.
 

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So, I'm not understanding why people are hating on Hakstol so much. He is a coach; he is supposed to try and win as many games as possible, if he thinks Wright doesn't offer a net positive for the team then he wont play him.

IMO the gm is to blame for all of this.
 
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I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?
If you think outside the box, the "under 20" rule moooostly benefits the NHL too. 6 out of 7 drafted players were not drafted in the 1st round. In addition 2/3 of 1st round picks were not drafted top 10. So for the majority of drafted players, playing in the CHL and having to figure out how to play against guys like Shane Wright, who were drafted top 10, is good for their development.

In particular, the rule benefits middle of the road and contending teams who need to hit on late 1sts and 2nd or 3rd rounders in order to inject youth into the line-up.
 
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So, I'm not understanding why people are hating on Hakstol so much. He is a coach; he is supposed to try and win as many games as possible, if he thinks Wright doesn't offer a net positive for the team then he wont play him.

IMO the gm is to blame for all of this.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Hakstol as a coach but he's not a bad coach just because he doesn't want to play a guy who's not even close to being ready for this level.
 

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Yeah, I'm not a fan of Hakstol as a coach but he's not a bad coach just because he doesn't want to play a guy who's not even close to being ready for this level.

This. When you combine a GM that wants the player to stay with a Head Coach that knows he isn't ready, you get this mess.

The "too good for junior hockey" stuff is laughable. I have been following the CHL for 30 years and there have been players that far exceeded Wright's performance last year that were returned for their 19-year-old season.
 

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This. When you combine a GM that wants the player to stay with a Head Coach that knows he isn't ready, you get this mess.

The "too good for junior hockey" stuff is laughable. I have been following the CHL for 30 years and there have been players that far exceeded Wright's performance last year that were returned for their 19-year-old season.

It's a completely overused phrase, there are very few players at 19 that I've seen that are legitimately too good for Junior hockey and would actually stagnate with another year in the CHL and Wright certainly isn't one of them. Praying for him and his development!
 
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