C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[JTeller97]

he's 19 and only played 24 games in the NHL
relax
Joe Thornton put up 7 points in 50+ games in his first season and now he has over 1500 points

I know I was just being facetious you'd think people could show some more patience for a 19-year-old who's had to develop through a pandemic while moving to a completely different country, catching covid, and breaking his ankle in preseason. The potential is evident and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, so I think we'll have a hell of a player on our hands in a couple of years.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Maybe the coaches think it’s more suitable to be learning in the nhl. You clearly know better though.

If there’s one thing that’s shown to be the best development move, it’s definitely rushing prospects to the NHL before they’re ready!

The Kings were even given a great opportunity by having him allowed to play in the AHL when he normally wouldn’t be and they’re still blowing it. It’s very obvious right now that he isn’t NHL ready.

Also just because coaches or GMs think something is “right” doesn’t mean it’s actually the best and smartest choice. How many examples of this do we need a season? We have an actual NHL GM that thought signing Nurse to that contract was a great idea, and an actual NHL coach that think Danny Dekeyser should be paired on the top pairing with Seider.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

They've made it very clear he's staying in the NHL because the shortcuts he was able to take in the AHL are what is causing an adjustment period now.

It's not even worth me going over the metrics again because it's apparent what's happening to anyone who is watching him in good faith and not just trolling for negativity.

What do you mean by "shortcuts"?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What do you mean by "shortcuts"?

Example--driveby pokechecks using his reach and speed that worked at every level until now instead of sealing a guy off with a check using his body.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

took Jack Hughes till his 3rd season to break out
and yeah patience should be used with all prospects '
It isnt what Byfield is right now
its what he can become as a whole package as he develops
keyword is develop

You could see the flashes in the pan with Jack Hughes. The skill was there, the brain was there, but it was just a matter of time before he could learn to make the same moves against men. We all kind of knew he was going to be the player we're seeing today.

With Byfield I think the issues are different. My problem with him as a junior player was the lack of zone control and only creating off the rush. He was also what I call a "heads down" hockey player. Byfield would skate himself into a corner to get locked up and lose the puck if he couldn't put it on the net. He would make a play to someone that wasn't in a position to do anything.

With Byfield's play style and hockey sense I'm not expecting him to become another Leon Draisaitl or even Anze Kopitar. I think he becomes something more like a Ryan Johansen or Keith Primeau minus the mean streak. A good player for sure, but not a true franchise player.

 

[Osprey]

If there’s one thing that’s shown to be the best development move, it’s definitely rushing prospects to the NHL before they’re ready!

The Kings were even given a great opportunity by having him allowed to play in the AHL when he normally wouldn’t be and they’re still blowing it. It’s very obvious right now that he isn’t NHL ready.

It feels like supporting him being in the NHL at 19 because he'll learn and develop faster this way is considered being patient with him, while believing that he should spend more time in the AHL first is somehow being impatient. It seems a little backwards.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It feels like supporting him being in the NHL at 19 because he'll learn and develop faster this way is considered being patient with him, while believing that he should spend more time in the AHL first is somehow being impatient. It seems a little backwards.

Yeah I’m really not getting it. If his choices were NHL or CHL like it’s supposed to be id understand letting him tough it out and struggle in the NHL. This isn’t the case with Byfield though. They’ve been given a glorious opportunity and instead they’re burying him to struggle with 10mins a game playing at a like 12pt pace

 

[bsu]

Yeah I’m really not getting it. If his choices were NHL or CHL like it’s supposed to be id understand letting him tough it out and struggle in the NHL. This isn’t the case with Byfield though. They’ve been given a glorious opportunity and instead they’re burying him to struggle with 10mins a game playing at a like 12pt pace

Exactly the fact they got the AHL exemption for him and not using it while the kid flounders trying to find his game in the NHL is an interesting development tactic. Lets see if it pays off. If the Ducks were doing this/or do this with McTavish I'd be pissed.

 

[kilowatt]

You could see the flashes in the pan with Jack Hughes. The skill was there, the brain was there, but it was just a matter of time before he could learn to make the same moves against men. We all kind of knew he was going to be the player we're seeing today.

With Byfield I think the issues are different. My problem with him as a junior player was the lack of zone control and only creating off the rush. He was also what I call a "heads down" hockey player. Byfield would skate himself into a corner to get locked up and lose the puck if he couldn't put it on the net. He would make a play to someone that wasn't in a position to do anything.

With Byfield's play style and hockey sense I'm not expecting him to become another Leon Draisaitl or even Anze Kopitar. I think he becomes something more like a Ryan Johansen or Keith Primeau minus the mean streak. A good player for sure, but not a true franchise player.

I think those things are what the Kings' coaching staff is trying to coach out of him. They want him to become a faster Anze Kopitar. I'm not sure if he'll reach that level, but I'm pretty sure that's what they want.

 

[kilowatt]

If there’s one thing that’s shown to be the best development move, it’s definitely rushing prospects to the NHL before they’re ready!

The Kings were even given a great opportunity by having him allowed to play in the AHL when he normally wouldn’t be and they’re still blowing it. It’s very obvious right now that he isn’t NHL ready.

Also just because coaches or GMs think something is “right” doesn’t mean it’s actually the best and smartest choice. How many examples of this do we need a season? We have an actual NHL GM that thought signing Nurse to that contract was a great idea, and an actual NHL coach that think Danny Dekeyser should be paired on the top pairing with Seider.

Wait, but isn't this you in the Edvinsson thread?

What exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level D in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great D started in a lower role.

So what exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level C in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great C started in a lower role.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Wait, but isn't this you in the Edvinsson thread?

So what exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level C in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great C started in a lower role.

That was his alter ego.

Seriously, some are talking out of their *** just for the sake of.

Unbelievable.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Wait, but isn't this you in the Edvinsson thread?



So what exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level C in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great C started in a lower role.

Following the context in that thread, I said I’m not positive he makes the NHL, but if he does I’m fine in a sheltered role. If Edvisson was struggling as much as Byfield was, then you’re damn right I’d want him sent down.

There’s also very few elite Cs who started off as a 4th line C producing at even below average 4C levels. Almost all prospects are sent back down at this point

This is the first time in history that I can remember fans being happy or defending a player being obviously rushed when he has better options. He’s playing worse than a 19 year old Rasmussen did for Detroit, and we all wanted him sent back to the CHL so badly. The next year we stuck him in the AHL.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Following the context in that thread, I said I’m not positive he makes the NHL, but if he does I’m fine in a sheltered role. If Edvisson was struggling as much as Byfield was, then you’re damn right I’d want him sent down.

This is the first time in history that I can remember fans being happy or defending a player being obviously rushed when he has better options. He’s playing worse than a 19 year old Rasmussen did for Detroit, and we all wanted him sent back to the CHL so badly. The next year we stuck him in the AHL.

That was his alter ego.

Seriously, some are talking out of their *** just for the sake of.

Unbelievable.

See above.

There’s absolutely no reason to have him in the NHL right now when he’s clearly not ready

 

[Frolov 6'3]

There’s absolutely no reason to have him in the NHL right now when he’s clearly not ready

Euh, how many times are you going to repeat that ?

Kempe, Roy and Durzi werent “ready”, didnt dominate and are now doing well.

Within a couple of years we will know.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You could see the flashes in the pan with Jack Hughes. The skill was there, the brain was there, but it was just a matter of time before he could learn to make the same moves against men. We all kind of knew he was going to be the player we're seeing today.

With Byfield I think the issues are different. My problem with him as a junior player was the lack of zone control and only creating off the rush. He was also what I call a "heads down" hockey player. Byfield would skate himself into a corner to get locked up and lose the puck if he couldn't put it on the net. He would make a play to someone that wasn't in a position to do anything.

With Byfield's play style and hockey sense I'm not expecting him to become another Leon Draisaitl or even Anze Kopitar. I think he becomes something more like a Ryan Johansen or Keith Primeau minus the mean streak. A good player for sure, but not a true franchise player.

I feel skies the limit for his overall potential and his low is like a Jordan Staal. but we shall see
I drafted him 2nd overall in my league so even though Im not an LA fan I hope he figures it out soon and killlls it

 

[nbwingsfan]

Euh, how many times are you going to repeat that ?

Kempe, Roy and Durzi werent “ready”, didnt dominate and are now doing well.

Within a couple of years we will know.

Were these guys kids? They also spent quite a lot of time in AHL as well.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I feel skies the limit for his overall potential and his low is like a Jordan Staal. but we shall see
I drafted him 2nd overall in my league so even though Im not an LA fan I hope he figures it out soon and killlls it

I don't understand these "Sky's the limit!" regarding his potential, because obviously it's not.

Guys with potential that high as prospects are Lindros, Crosby, McDavid and similar generational type players when they were prospects. Quinton Byfield has a big frame, a heavy shot and can skate fast in a straight line. But so did Tayler Pyatt as a prospect. So did Primeau. So did JVR.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I don't understand these "Sky's the limit!" regarding his potential, because obviously it's not.

Guys with potential that high as prospects are Lindros, Crosby, McDavid and similar generational type players when they were prospects. Quinton Byfield has a big frame, a heavy shot and can skate fast in a straight line. But so did Tayler Pyatt as a prospect. So did Primeau. So did JVR.

JVR was a pretty good player for a long time...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You could see the flashes in the pan with Jack Hughes. The skill was there, the brain was there, but it was just a matter of time before he could learn to make the same moves against men. We all kind of knew he was going to be the player we're seeing today.

With Byfield I think the issues are different. My problem with him as a junior player was the lack of zone control and only creating off the rush. He was also what I call a "heads down" hockey player. Byfield would skate himself into a corner to get locked up and lose the puck if he couldn't put it on the net. He would make a play to someone that wasn't in a position to do anything.

With Byfield's play style and hockey sense I'm not expecting him to become another Leon Draisaitl or even Anze Kopitar. I think he becomes something more like a Ryan Johansen or Keith Primeau minus the mean streak. A good player for sure, but not a true franchise player.

Yeah that's more or less how I've seen him as well.

I've liked the Jordan Staal comparisons, but with better puck skills and a quicker release.

He'll be a good player in time, but I've never really seen the superstar upside others have claimed to.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

JVR was a pretty good player for a long time...

And so was Primeau.

Would you ever say that they both had "sky is the limit" potential? That is something reserved for truly special game-defining franchise players. Not a guy who is currently performing worse than most everyone in the top 20 of the 2020 entry draft.

 

[bsu]

If Byfield was the #22 pick instead of the #2 pick would you still want him developing the way he is now or in the AHL? (serious question)

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If Byfield was the #22 pick instead of the #2 pick would you still want him developing the way he is now or in the AHL? (serious question)

In the AHL. I said way back that if Byfield were 6'1" instead of 6'4" he would have been picked in the teens rather than #2 overall.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I don't understand these "Sky's the limit!" regarding his potential, because obviously it's not.

Guys with potential that high as prospects are Lindros, Crosby, McDavid and similar generational type players when they were prospects. Quinton Byfield has a big frame, a heavy shot and can skate fast in a straight line. But so did Tayler Pyatt as a prospect. So did Primeau. So did JVR.

its a pretty simple saying. it means his potential has no limit. he can reach anywhere and that doesn't just limit to prospects like Lindros, Crosby or McDavid

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

its a pretty simple saying. it means his potential has no limit. he can reach anywhere and that doesn't just limit to prospects like Lindros, Crosby or McDavid

A player's potential ceiling and potential floor helps to create a realistic expectation of what a player is going to become in the NHL. If his potential has no limit, no ceiling then he's got the potential to be the second coming of Gretzky, and we know that's bullshit.

And I'm going to ask again WHY people think Byfield has UNLIMITED POTENTIAL! Because being big and skating fast in a straight line isn't proof of it.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

A player's potential ceiling and potential floor helps to create a realistic expectation of what a player is going to become in the NHL. If his potential has no limit, no ceiling then he's got the potential to be the second coming of Gretzky, and we know that's bullshit.

And I'm going to ask again WHY people think Byfield has UNLIMITED POTENTIAL! Because being big and skating fast in a straight line isn't proof of it.

Who said he has unlimited potential. and you go ahead and limit what prospects can become. in the end you know no more than anyone else. What reason do you have to assume he doesnt have the possibility of becoming a star? and who knows where he caps out at,
the second coming of Gretzky is a little over the top from a simple skies the limit comment dont you think?
maybe its time for a nap. you seem cranky