C Noah Östlund - Djurgardens IF J20, J20 Nationell (2022, 16th, BUF)

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Does anybody know what the plan is next year for the Djurgardens forwards trio? They were relegated to Allsvenskan which is not be optimal for the development of Lekkerimaki, Ohgren, and Ostlund. I think it’s possible all 3 end up in the AHL.
They've all commited to staying with Djurgården(unless the team drafting them has a different idea). Should be good, Allsvenskan is a good league for development and the forwards Djurgården have signed are defensive forwards so they should all get offensive roles.

Some stats from the GMG:
 
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Strange he isn't in the top 20 or even in the 1st round of many "pro mocks". Ultimately, I think he will end up in that 12-22 range, in some order with other centers like Kasper, Lambert and McGroarty. It's just very strange so many mocks have like Beck, Kulich and Trikozov going in the last third of the 2st round, and even have Ohgren in the early 20/late teens range, but no Ostlund. I'd be shocked if he doesn't go in the 1st. All though I really don't think he will go in the top 10 or even top 12 really. Probably more of a 15+ pick. His skating is great. He's got great tools. But he's still a bit of a project. And I don't think he will go before like Nazar and Geekie at least. Hard to say what order Ostlund, Kasper, Lambert, McGroarty go in though as they should all be in a similar range.
 
No. Top 10 overall.

That's pretty bullish. I'm not as high on Ostlund and Lekkerimaki as some are. Lekkerimaki looks like a solid player but maybe the 5th or 6th best winger (depending on how you view Kemell) and Ostlund still looks like late 1st or early 2nd round talent to me.
 
How much better is he than Karl Henriksson was in his draft year?
 
That's pretty bullish. I'm not as high on Ostlund and Lekkerimaki as some are. Lekkerimaki looks like a solid player but maybe the 5th or 6th best winger (depending on how you view Kemell) and Ostlund still looks like late 1st or early 2nd round talent to me.
Have you been able to catch some more recent games than SHL games where he played a limited role(and was obviously outmatched physically as he needs to bulk up, will be interesting to see what he weight in at the combine) and the Hlinka yet?

The U18's is a great display not just for him but Cooley, Nazar, Lekkerimäki after the first couple of games(mono y'know). Not so much for Kemell & Öhgren, but they couldn't play at 100.

How much better is he than Karl Henriksson was in his draft year?
Leagues ahead. Only thing Karl had over current Noah is that he was more grown into his frame. Noah is quite a bit taller than Karl was then(and now) too.
 
Have you been able to catch some more recent games than SHL games where he played a limited role(and was obviously outmatched physically as he needs to bulk up, will be interesting to see what he weight in at the combine) and the Hlinka yet?

The U18's is a great display not just for him but Cooley, Nazar, Lekkerimäki after the first couple of games(mono y'know). Not so much for Kemell & Öhgren, but they couldn't play at 100.


Leagues ahead. Only thing Karl had over current Noah is that he was more grown into his frame. Noah is quite a bit taller than Karl was then(and now) too.

I finally got a chance to watch the replays of some U18s. He was impressive and improved his draft stock for sure but I put less faith in that tournament than most. Getting a ton of points against relegation level teams doesn't really wow me. I'm getting around to the USA/SWE finals. The last one I saw was SWE/GER.

I like his vision and playmaking, and Ostlund looked much more confident than he did at the Hlinka. I'm still not sure of his overall upside. I'm kind of hoping he gets to play at the U20s this summer to see how he can play going up an age group but still be amongst peers.
 
Swedes always rise at the end of the season and most often outperform draft positions.

I expect Lekkerimaki to go top 12 and the two O’s to be snapped up by 20.
 
Grant McCagg is an absolute joke. He's all about hot takes to gererate clicks. Human clickbait.
I don't agree with this at all, I think a lot of his work is based on inputs from pro scouts. It's pretty obvious, for instance, that he was quite close with the scouting staff of the Canadiens who have given him feedback on their lists and player rankings.
 
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Grant McCagg is an absolute joke. He's all about hot takes to gererate clicks. Human clickbait.
You really are mad he doesn't like Wright eh.
I don't agree with this at all, I think a lot of his work is based on inputs from pro scouts. It's pretty obvious, for instance, that he was quite close with the scouting staff of the Canadiens who have given him feedback on their lists and player rankings.
He uses former scouts right now. I really think this draft is very hard to predict, lots of good players not alot of superstars.
 
I don't agree with this at all, I think a lot of his work is based on inputs from pro scouts. It's pretty obvious, for instance, that he was quite close with the scouting staff of the Canadiens who have given him feedback on their lists and player rankings.

Yes, that's why we tolerated him on the habs board for as long as we did. Thing is, that doesn't matter, he's a bad scout, and just a jerk all around.
 
Swedes always rise at the end of the season and most often outperform draft positions.

I expect Lekkerimaki to go top 12 and the two O’s to be snapped up by 20.
Think we’re going to see Lemkerimaki break the top 10. He does a lot of things with pace and it’s not out of the question he can play C. He’s gotten a lot better this year both playing in space and creating his own space. He reads the ice really well. Detroit, Buffalo and Anaheim will have a tough time passing on him, and although I think Columbus will go D, could see him go to them to compliment the two forwards they drafted early last year. He’s going to be a good NHL player, with a chance to be really good. Depending on what his draft team thinks about him playing C, look for him to spend next year in Europe and then an entire year in the AHL if a team thinks he will be a C. Probably only 25-50% of that 2nd year in the AHL if he settles in as a wing.
 
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I don't agree with this at all, I think a lot of his work is based on inputs from pro scouts. It's pretty obvious, for instance, that he was quite close with the scouting staff of the Canadiens who have given him feedback on their lists and player rankings.

No scout who's list changes as massively and rapidly as his can be taken seriously.

Case in point - his list before the U18s had Ohgren as his 3rd ranked prospect. He had a somewhat disappointing U18s where he was playing injured (as per Craig Button) and all of a sudden he's down to the 8th best prospect in the draft?

Meanwhile Ostlund goes from outside of the top 10 (and I'm sure quite far from it) to the 4th best prospect based on a 6 game tournament and not on his play at the Superelit and SHL levels in a much larger sample size.
 
No scout who's list changes as massively and rapidly as his can be taken seriously.

Case in point - his list before the U18s had Ohgren as his 3rd ranked prospect. He had a somewhat disappointing U18s where he was playing injured (as per Craig Button) and all of a sudden he's down to the 8th best prospect in the draft?

Meanwhile Ostlund goes from outside of the top 10 (and I'm sure quite far from it) to the 4th best prospect based on a 6 game tournament and not on his play at the Superelit and SHL levels in a much larger sample size.
That's just really heavy recency bias.

Problem with this approach is, that if you go too deep with recency bias, early season is something that can easily not matter at all when draft time comes.
 
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How much better is he than Karl Henriksson was in his draft year?
Lol No offence but they’re not even on the same planet I think Karl Henrikssons upside is a middle sixer, while Östlund is probably the swedish prospect with the mot upside this draft.
 
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This might sound like a negative, but he reminds me a lot of Mattias Tedenby, who had a ton of potential if he could have put it all together. But I think Ostlund sees the ice better which gives him an advantage.
 
This might sound like a negative, but he reminds me a lot of Mattias Tedenby, who had a ton of potential if he could have put it all together. But I think Ostlund sees the ice better which gives him an advantage.
Other than being speedy, Swedish and a little small, I don’t see it. They both have nice stick handling too I guess.

Tedenby was much more of a goal scorer with the greats dekes and Ostlund is a playmaker with great on-ice vision.
 
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Other than being speedy, Swedish and a little small, I don’t see it. They both have nice stick handling too I guess.

Tedenby was much more of a goal scorer with the greats dekes and Ostlund is a playmaker with great on-ice vision.
I don't disagree, I meant more that their elite quickness (feet and hands) are remarkably similar, and they are of similar builds.
 

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