Mrb1p
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Its inaccurate because hes younger than 99.9% of his cohort. Its really not rocket science.
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Kudo Shinichi
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If he plays 3 more games (goes to game 7), I can definitely see him beat Marners total.
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we area talking about the age, not the D2 or D1, Age is what matters, not if he is on his 3rd year in the OHL
You are talking about age.
I am balancing a variety of factors including cohort, calendar age, and points per game.
You are using a very very very strict rationale to argue one very very specific point and anyone who leans slight outside your orthodox world view despises Suzuki.
Hate to break it to you but you're wrong: We like him.
I'm sorry you think it is so reprehensible to compare Suzuki to Dylan Strome. Please forgive me for my transgression.
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It doesn't really matter what others have done in the past, each situation is it's own and it can be hard to compare them. There's no telling what Suzuki will be in the NHL until we see him there, no sense bickering over who did what. If you watch the games, what's most impressive to me is what Suzuki is doing in all those elimination games.
Against London in the first 4 games he had 5 pts but in the final 3 elimination games he had 8 pts.
Against Saginaw in the first 4 games he had 5 pts again but in the final 3 elimination games he had 6 pts.
On top of that he's been very consistent, in 22 games he's got points in 19 of them and since game 2 vs London he's had points in 15 of the last 16 games.
If you look at say Marner/Tkachuk they also had Dvorak as between the 3 they had 119 pts in 18 games (Marner 44, Tkachuk 40, Dvorak 35) Suzuki has Ratcliffe and Entwistle and they have 86 pts between them (Suzuki 38, Ratcliffe 25, Entwistle 19) so he's getting less help then the London top line had as he's 13 pts ahead of the next highest scorer on his team so other teams are going to focus on him much more. He's taken a beating for sure but seems to bounce right back up each time despite back to back 7 game series and then taking on a team that went 3 rounds in the playoffs without losing a single game.
So if Suzuki ends up not being as good as Marner or Tkachuk or DeBrincat who seems like a better comparable since they have the same points at the same age (both were in their age 19 season). DeBrincat had Strome and Raddysh, they had 103 pts (DeBrincat 38, Strome 34, Raddysh 31) in 22 games then so be it. As long as he helps the Habs win games I'm sure Hab fans will be happy with the trade.
Against London in the first 4 games he had 5 pts but in the final 3 elimination games he had 8 pts.
Against Saginaw in the first 4 games he had 5 pts again but in the final 3 elimination games he had 6 pts.
On top of that he's been very consistent, in 22 games he's got points in 19 of them and since game 2 vs London he's had points in 15 of the last 16 games.
If you look at say Marner/Tkachuk they also had Dvorak as between the 3 they had 119 pts in 18 games (Marner 44, Tkachuk 40, Dvorak 35) Suzuki has Ratcliffe and Entwistle and they have 86 pts between them (Suzuki 38, Ratcliffe 25, Entwistle 19) so he's getting less help then the London top line had as he's 13 pts ahead of the next highest scorer on his team so other teams are going to focus on him much more. He's taken a beating for sure but seems to bounce right back up each time despite back to back 7 game series and then taking on a team that went 3 rounds in the playoffs without losing a single game.
So if Suzuki ends up not being as good as Marner or Tkachuk or DeBrincat who seems like a better comparable since they have the same points at the same age (both were in their age 19 season). DeBrincat had Strome and Raddysh, they had 103 pts (DeBrincat 38, Strome 34, Raddysh 31) in 22 games then so be it. As long as he helps the Habs win games I'm sure Hab fans will be happy with the trade.
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Facts:
his play-offs ppg is higher what his regular season ppg, that's a dead give away, he is clutch
he is 1999 August born, who played his first OHL season in the 2015-2016 season
he has played for not so media sexy teams like Owen Sound Attack and for Guelph Storm, compared to his "competitors"
power house teams; London Knights, Erie Otters and Windsor Spitfires,... he has had a huge disadvantage,
yet Suzuki scored 328 points in 251 regular season games and so far, 75 points in 55 play-off games
his play-offs ppg is higher what his regular season ppg, that's a dead give away, he is clutch
he is 1999 August born, who played his first OHL season in the 2015-2016 season
he has played for not so media sexy teams like Owen Sound Attack and for Guelph Storm, compared to his "competitors"
power house teams; London Knights, Erie Otters and Windsor Spitfires,... he has had a huge disadvantage,
yet Suzuki scored 328 points in 251 regular season games and so far, 75 points in 55 play-off games
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Settle down everyone, please. My point wasn't to make direct comparisons propect per prospect, but being a Habs fan on this board for so many years I have witnessed the same thing every time and all over again. We tend to make every single good prospect the next superstar before they have played a single NHL game. Now I get these guys like Kotka, Poehling, Suzuki are great prospects, but still they have a long way to achieve that star player status at NHL level. I'm not saying we shouldn't get excited about the amazing stuff Suzuki has shown this spring, but keep in mind that it's still junior games and he hasn't proved anything professionally and how his game would translate. Just because they have potential, doesn't mean they will achieve that ceiling. How many of our picks from the last 15 years have reached their potential, and how many have been total busts?
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another big game so far from Suzuki in an elimination game, 1g 1a and has been on the ice for 4 of the 5 Storm goals. 41 pts in the playoffs.
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annnnnd another 3 pt game
Storm wins the ohl championship, and Suzuki finishes with 42 pts.
Storm wins the ohl championship, and Suzuki finishes with 42 pts.
So stoked to be able to see him in the Mem Cup. What a playoff.
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Top OHL playoff scorers in the past 10 years
Connor McDavid 2015 - 49 PTS (Age 17)
Mitchell Marner 2016 - 44 PTS (Age 18)
Nick Suzuki 2019 - 42 PTS (Age 19)
Mark Scheifele 2013 - 41 PTS (Age 19)
Matthew Tkachuk 2016 - 40 PTS (Age 18)
Alex DeBrincat 2017 - 38 PTS (Age 19)
Not too bad for the OHL playoff MVP
Connor McDavid 2015 - 49 PTS (Age 17)
Mitchell Marner 2016 - 44 PTS (Age 18)
Nick Suzuki 2019 - 42 PTS (Age 19)
Mark Scheifele 2013 - 41 PTS (Age 19)
Matthew Tkachuk 2016 - 40 PTS (Age 18)
Alex DeBrincat 2017 - 38 PTS (Age 19)
Not too bad for the OHL playoff MVP
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He was for the final only. He played the majority of the 2016 playoffs as an 18 years old.
And he did it in only 18 games. If we want to make the comparaison with Suzuki he had better linemate IMO with Tkachuk and Dvorak but it's still very impressive.
Marner is simply next level. That doesn't take anything away from Suzuki.
Kotkaniemi15
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His birthday is May 5th. The last game of their playoff run in 2016 was May 11th so he turned 19 around the end of the playoffs. It was his age 18 season.
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Very dominant performance from Suzuki in these playoffs.
Hopefully he continues his strong play into the Memorial Cup.
Hopefully he continues his strong play into the Memorial Cup.
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2:54 ridiculous read of the play there.
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