C Mitchell Marner - London Knights, OHL (2015 Draft)
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Yeah, he just doesn't stop producing and he has all the tools to become a superstar in the NHL. Smarts, speed, skill, vision.
Cyborg Yzerberg
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gagner isn't and wasn't even that bad in terms of talent. developed so wrongly though
To be fair though, Gagner is a perennial 40-50 point 2nd line center, that's not a bad thing overall.
Interesting. Would love to hear why because I think I know and can preemptively tell you that both of what you think your points are are wrong. One factually, and the other statwise.
Not what you want from a potential 3rd overall in a strong year. I think he's closer to Kane. He'll be a scoring RW rather than a center like Giroux.
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He kinda reminds me of Duchene, Gilmour and Datsyuk...looks like a 'can't miss' star player imho.
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Let's just wait until Marner puts up 8 big ones in the show before comparing him to Gagner guys.
Not even in the same ballpark, I watched Gagner quite a lot back in his OHL days, they don't play the game same way.Marner has higher hockey IQ, he is small but bulky for his size, good along the boards(something Gagner always lacked and still does), and Marner is solid with his two-way game which you can't say the same for Gagner even when he is a legit C.
The only similiarities I see between Gagner and Marner is that they are both small and both have the luxury of playing on with a great player, this is where the comparison ends and even then you have to consider the fact that Domi is no where near the calibre of Kane or ever going to be.
Also, Marner is a better player than Domi.
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Marner has higher hockey IQ, he is small but bulky for his size, good along the boards(something Gagner always lacked and still does), and Marner is solid with his two-way game which you can't say the same for Gagner even when he is a legit C.
The only similiarities I see between Gagner and Marner is that they are both small and both have the luxury of playing on with a great player, this is where the comparison ends and even then you have to consider the fact that Domi is no where near the calibre of Kane or ever going to be.
Also, Marner is a better player than Domi.
Agree with all of this. But I think the biggest advantage Marner has on Gagner is skating. For me, is the main reason for Gagner's struggles at the NHL level - his lack of top end speed. That doesn't look to be an issue with Marner.
CantHaveTkachev
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Gagner was the third highest point scorer on his own line. Completely different scenario.
Marner is the driving force of his line and just flat out better than Gagner.
To be honest, Gagner was a little mishandled by the Oilers or he would have been a fine playmaking #2C. He's still good but not as good as everyone thought he could be.
A few questions for Knight fans:
From everything I've read, Marner is an excellent two-way player with a motor that never stops and generally is the one with the most impact on his line. It almost sounds he would be a perfect centerman, and I'm wondering if him playing wing is more because his chemistry with Dvorak, and him being the center. When is the last time Marner actually played center and how effective was he?
From everything I've read, Marner is an excellent two-way player with a motor that never stops and generally is the one with the most impact on his line. It almost sounds he would be a perfect centerman, and I'm wondering if him playing wing is more because his chemistry with Dvorak, and him being the center. When is the last time Marner actually played center and how effective was he?
DrJenniferHanson
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Marner has higher hockey IQ, he is small but bulky for his size, good along the boards(something Gagner always lacked and still does), and Marner is solid with his two-way game which you can't say the same for Gagner even when he is a legit C.
The only similiarities I see between Gagner and Marner is that they are both small and both have the luxury of playing on with a great player, this is where the comparison ends and even then you have to consider the fact that Domi is no where near the calibre of Kane or ever going to be.
Also, Marner is a better player than Domi.
(at both the person you replied to and you--it's clear neither of you watch London)Playing with Domi is probably the biggest obstacle of his junior career. The numbers have been well-cited here and especially in the Knights' thread. They take literally 5 minutes of research/watching each game.
Playing with Domi is probably the biggest obstacle of his junior career. The numbers have been well-cited here and especially in the Knights' thread. They take literally 5 minutes of research/watching each game.
I thought that was a solid description of both of them. What did he miss?
DrJenniferHanson
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The whole "he has the luxury of playing with a great player in Domi" when the stats have been cited ad nauseum how his lowest production by far comes with playing with Domi (and the top line's numbers and PP numbers on top of Marner's to boot). It's also evident to anyone who watches London regularly (for example, Domi had 4 different odd man breaks on Friday where he shot instead of passing to the open man with an open cage, which was usually Marner). It just gets tiring for people who want accurate info or watch London regularly to read people post factual errors. In this case, it's a dead giveaway they don't watch London.
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Even aside from posts in this thread, both London boards are littered with posts highlighting the negative Domi effect. There isn't a single London fan on either board who has said that playing with Domi (same line) helps Marner (literally 100% of the posters on both boards want Domi nowhere near Marner) because the stats irrefutably prove otherwise and are obvious to anyone who watches the team. Here's a post I made delving into it (when analyzing London's recent losing streak):
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=97206319&postcount=303
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Oh yeah, I agree with you. Marner plays much better with Dvorak on the ice than with Domi. If those two split up, London top line would be better. I like the rupert-dvorak-marner line the most.
So in other words, Marner is a much much better player than Domi and he should have even more points than he currently has if it wasn't for Domi's selfish play?
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Playing with Domi is probably the biggest obstacle of his junior career. The numbers have been well-cited here and especially in the Knights' thread. They take literally 5 minutes of research/watching each game.
Yup. I just shake my head at these know-it-alls claiming that Marner is somehow getting ahead because of Domi.
If I never see the two of them on the ice at the same time again, it will be too soon!
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