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C Mitchell Marner - London Knights, OHL (2015 Draft)

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Intense Rage said:
People say the same thing about every undersized highly skilled prospect. And yet the same thing apply to big guys who use their size to their advantage against smaller players in junior.

The point is the same comment to apply to nearly every single prospect. Its a big jump from junior to NHL.
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True but I just see Eichel doing well in the NHL faster.
 
Just saw on NHL.com that Marner is listed at #9 on Kimelmans and #10 on Morreales mock draft. I cant see Marner falling past #5. Guy is just too talented.
 
Samsonite23 said:
He's not even that small. People need to stop with that stuff.
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His frame is slight. He will probably top out at about ten pounds lighter than guys his same height.

shelf said:
Just saw on NHL.com that Marner is listed at #9 on Kimelmans and #10 on Morreales mock draft. I cant see Marner falling past #5. Guy is just too talented.
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The Coyotes would likely take him at 3 if it came to that. Just too convenient in terms of need and fit.
 
Can someone chime on on Marner.

Has he been playing centre all year?

and Domi has been on his LW? I guess I need a London Knight fans input.
 
Marner has played RW each game this season, but London's top forwards are RH-scarce. He did play Centre for about 15 games last season and could transition there swimmingly if needed.

He's only played on the same line as Domi for 9 games this season. His production with Domi is about .6-.7 PPG below what his production is without Domi. Reasons being opponents can focus entirely on one line instead of being diluted to covering two, and Domi isn't willing to cast other Knights as equals. Marner thrives on a line with rapid puck movement, and Domi likes to keep it for prolonged intervals and do his thing a lot at the Junior level (he plays differently in OHL than he did at WJC).
 
Skip2myBordyloo said:
175 pounds is small in the NHL, He'd be among the bottom 40 out of the 800 players in the league at that weight.
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Gaudreau makes a pretty good case for Marner here. Elite hockey sense and dynamic offensive ability included with good skating (especially agility, if I'm reading the reports right). If he lines up as a winger in the NHL, his size would be less of an issue as well.

My question is if he transitions back to center, how was he on draw prior and would he be able to play a defensive game or need seasoning for that part?
 
tfong said:
Gaudreau makes a pretty good case for Marner here. Elite hockey sense and dynamic offensive ability included with good skating (especially agility, if I'm reading the reports right). If he lines up as a winger in the NHL, his size would be less of an issue as well.

My question is if he transitions back to center, how was he on draw prior and would he be able to play a defensive game or need seasoning for that part?
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I don't doubt that he can succeed in the NHL as he does seem to have that slippery ability to him, but Gaudreau does this also pretty well but he's been pasted a few times this year and he's prone to coughing up the puck and giving it away.

Obviously playing wing at a smaller weight has it's advantages over being a center.
 
Skip2myBordyloo said:
175 pounds is small in the NHL, He'd be among the bottom 40 out of the 800 players in the league at that weight.
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Hes 17. There are no 17 year olds' playing in the NHL. Let me make it a little clearer. When hes 19 I doubt he is 160 no different than when he got drafted into the OHL 2 years ago he was 130. Can you believe he gained weight from 15 to 17? Many of these kids will continue to physically mature until they are 20.
 
Skip2myBordyloo said:
I don't doubt that he can succeed in the NHL as he does seem to have that slippery ability to him, but Gaudreau does this also pretty well but he's been pasted a few times this year and he's prone to coughing up the puck and giving it away.

Obviously playing wing at a smaller weight has it's advantages over being a center.
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What about his frame I wonder? I haven't seen too many reports commenting on his frame, is it something he can build up more is it the case of Johnny where there is not much way he will get bigger? Even if he is 5'11, if he can pack more weight onto his frame if allowed, would likely mean the end of size discussions.
 
Knightnight said:
Hes 17. There are no 17 year olds' playing in the NHL. Let me make it a little clearer. When hes 19 I doubt he is 160 no different than when he got drafted into the OHL 2 years ago he was 130. Can you believe he gained weight from 15 to 17? Many of these kids will continue to physically mature until they are 20.
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Yeah, he's 17 and in 7 months he'll be NHL eligible. People said the same thing about RNH. He had the NHL skill from the get go but his physical attributes play part of his ability to stay healthy in the NHL and in turn slow his overall development.
 
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tfong said:
What about his frame I wonder? I haven't seen too many reports commenting on his frame, is it something he can build up more is it the case of Johnny where there is not much way he will get bigger? Even if he is 5'11, if he can pack more weight onto his frame if allowed, would likely mean the end of size discussions.
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He's a string bean, he reminds me of a RNH type build, it's not a huge deal being able to put on size/muscle but it could potentially affect his NHL readiness.

It's about finding the balance for each individual though, you don't want to bulk up to much to the point where it slows you down, but you want to be big enough to play with men and not teenage aged athletes.
 
Skip2myBordyloo said:
He's a string bean, he reminds me of a RNH type build, it's not a huge deal being able to put on size/muscle but it could potentially affect his NHL readiness.

It's about finding the balance for each individual though, you don't want to bulk up to much to the point where it slows you down, but you want to be big enough to play with men and not teenage aged athletes.
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The point is very few 18 year olds play in the NHL. Some teams rush players. No one has a crystal ball. Corey Perry was a string bean in London but stayed for 4 years in Junior. You nor I have no idea what will happen with a 17 year olds height or weight at this time. You are speculating he will stay small. I could speculate he could become Perry size. Too early to tell.
 
Knightnight said:
The point is very few 18 year olds play in the NHL. Some teams rush players. No one has a crystal ball. Corey Perry was a string bean in London but stayed for 4 years in Junior. You nor I have no idea what will happen with a 17 year olds height or weight at this time. You are speculating he will stay small. I could speculate he could become Perry size. Too early to tell.
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All I'm speculating is his overall size is a reason why he doesn't appear to be a slam dunk top 5 pick. Seems the consensus is Strome is still a better prospect among people who rank the draft eligible players.

I wouldn't be shocked if he was the 2nd or 3rd best player in this draft several years from now.
 
Knightnight said:
The point is very few 18 year olds play in the NHL. Some teams rush players. No one has a crystal ball. Corey Perry was a string bean in London but stayed for 4 years in Junior. You nor I have no idea what will happen with a 17 year olds height or weight at this time. You are speculating he will stay small. I could speculate he could become Perry size. Too early to tell.
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I had no idea Perry was considered a string bean when he was drafted.

I knew there were attitude and work ethic questions, but I dont remember size being an issue. .

Its true though, perry is probably a good example of a guy who plays a hard game without being super physically imposing. As long as the height is (somewhat) there, the weight can follow if things go well.
 
Skip2myBordyloo said:
Yeah, he's 17 and in 7 months he'll be NHL eligible. People said the same thing about RNH. He had the NHL skill from the get go but his physical attributes play part of his ability to stay healthy in the NHL and in turn slow his overall development.
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If he becomes as good as RNH, he's a good top 5 pick.
 
Samsquanch said:
As long as the height is (somewhat) there, the weight can follow if things go well.
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No. The maximum genetic potential of prospects is pretty projectable based on ankle and wrist measurements. Marner has a frame that is smaller than most. He will be Giroux sized.
 
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No. The maximum genetic potential of prospects is pretty projectable based on ankle and wrist measurements. Marner has a frame that is smaller than most. He will be Giroux sized.
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And he has the hockey IQ like Giroux which will allow him to succeed at the NHL level.
 
Roo Mad Bro said:
And he has the hockey IQ like Giroux which will allow him to succeed at the NHL level.
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Absolutely. I don't see his size as an impediment at all. If anything, it's a plus in the modern NHL. He has the reach of your average player but the slippery size of a Giroux style player.

I have my doubts about him being a center in the west, though. I much prefer him as a scoring winger.
 
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