C Mitchell Marner - London Knights, OHL (2015 Draft)

[CraigsList]

If Arizona is drafting at #2..... Do they select Eichel..... Or Marner to keep the Knights line together.
This could happen.

If Marner keeps this up, you can't go wrong with either.

 

[Trottier]

Kane is not a good comparable for Marner. The Giroux one is better for sure. He is more cerebral than Kane and less flashy in my opinion. Kane and Drouin are like freewheeling artists out there with their tantalizing speed and skill, Marner is more of a very smart and cerebral playmaker. It certainly helps Marner as well that he plays with Christian Dvorak who might be the smartest player in all of junior hockey. Excellent prospect.

This (and other posts that preceded it) are offering some great insight on this player. Much appreciated.

I'm curious about your description of Kane as freewheeling. I actually see him as being exceedingly cerebral once he hits the offensive blueline. He literally slows play down and has the uncanny ability to maintain significant time and space for himself (to navigate his options), seemingly while not moving at hyper-speed.

In that regard, he reminds me of, yes, Wayne Gretzky.

(No one for a nanosecond should misinterpret that as a comparison of the two players, just that one aspect.)

Anyway, if style wise Marner reminds observers of Giroux and Kane, that's alone makes him interesting. Seems like he plays hard in all three zones too (a la Giroux), which endears him to yours truly.

 

[puckfan13]

This (and other posts that preceded it) are offering some great insight on this player. Much appreciated.

I'm curious about your description of Kane as freewheeling. I actually see him as being exceedingly cerebral once he hits the offensive blueline. He literally slows play down and has the uncanny ability to maintain significant time and space for himself (to navigate his options), seemingly while not moving at hyper-speed.

In that regard, he reminds me of, yes, Wayne Gretzky.

(No one for a nanosecond should misinterpret that as a comparison of the two players, just that one aspect.)

Anyway, if style wise Marner reminds observers of Giroux and Kane, that's alone makes him interesting. Seems like he plays hard in all three zones too (a la Giroux), which endears him to yours truly.

My description was more to bring about the fact that Kane's skill is eye-popping. When you see him play now and saw him play in junior it was a sense of amazement that it is possible for somebody to possess this much skill. A sense of awe. I think the last prospect we saw that with was Drouin. You don't really get that with Marner, or Giroux, it's more like wow, this guy is a really great hockey player, a really smart hockey player with great playmaking ability, but the pure skill level isn't going to make you drop your jaw like those other guys. Marner kills a bit of penalties, he puts his stick in the way and body in the way subtly to get the puck back, to slow the play up to let his teammates get the puck back. He'll stick lift or lean on you very slightly to open up a foot of space, you don't really see Kane doing these things. He's just more cerebral but not as skilled. Marner has an excellent feel for the game and does little things within the game to always give himself a slight advantage out there. He's not the strongest, fastest or most skilled but he's quite above average in all those things for his size but he puts it all together in a nice package that will make him a good 2-way player with offense in the NHL in my opinion.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

his last name is Marner

Yeah, but the liquor is Grand Marnier, not Grand Marner. That's like his one chance at a cool nickname.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Yeah, but the liquor is Grand Marnier, not Grand Marner. That's like his one chance at a cool nickname.

but his last name is Marner

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

but his last name is Marner

Do you want him to have no nickname? Because this is how you get no nickname.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Do you want him to have no nickname? Because this is how you get no nickname.

no nickname > lame nickname

 

[RickyR]

Do you want him to have no nickname? Because this is how you get no nickname.

But his name is Marner, not Marnier. So it doesn't really work?

 

[JetsHomer]

But his name is Marner, not Marnier. So it doesn't really work?

Yeah good call bro, those words clearly aren't similar at all

 

[rt]

Marn-ER isn't actually very similar to Marn-yay, honestly.

 

[New Jack City]

tough crowd with the nicknames here

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

no nickname > lame nickname

The Wings board had this debate, and now Pulkkinen is nicknamed "Pookie". so I see your point.

 

[Knightnight]

So would you have taken Crouse over Stamkos, Hall...?

Marner's #s

42g 34g 56a 90t +37 2.14ppg 49.45%

Has there ever been a prospect put up Marner’s #’s and received as little recognition? The numbers suggest only Crosby or Kanes numbers have been better. Kane was a year older and his line mates were Gagne and Kostitsyn

By the numbers

Forwards only

2014 Draft team total
2nd Reinhart kootney 230g 60g 36g 69a 105t +24 1.75 ppg 45.6%

4th Bennett Kingston 298g 57g 36g 55a 91t +34 1.59 ppg 39.5%


2013 draft
1st Mc Kinnon 343g 44g 32g 43a 75t +40 1.70ppg 21.86%

3rd Droiun 343g 49g 41g 64a 105t +48 2.14ppg 30.6%

2012 draft
1st Nail Yakapov sarnia 243 g 65g 49g 52a 101t -2 1.55ppg 41.56%

3rd Alex Galchenyuk 68g 31g 52a 83t -8 1.22ppg 34.15%


2011
1st RNH Red Deer 268g 69g 31g 75a 106t +29 1.53ppg 39.55%

2nd Gabriel Landeskog KR 283g 61g 24g 22a 46t E .75ppg 16.25%


2010
Taylor Hall Windsor 3rd yr in league 327g 57g 40g 66a 106t +46 1.85ppg 32.41%

Tyler Seguin Plymouth 243g 63g 48g 58a 106t +17 1.68ppg 43.62%


2009
1st John Tavares Gens 3rd yr 287g 59g 40g 78a 118t +22 2.0ppg 41.11%

3rd Matt Duchene Brampton 259g 57g 31g 48a 79t +32 1.38ppg 30.50%


2008
1st Steven Stamkos Sarnia 248g 61g 58g 41a 105t +18 1.72ppg 42.33%

2007
1st Patrick Kane London 301g 58g 62g 83a 145t +42 2.5ppg 48.17%

6th Sam Gagner London 53g 35g 83a 118t +32 2.22ppg 39.20%

2006
2nd Jordan Staal Peterborough 268g 68g 28g 40a 68t +16 1ppg 25.37%

2005
Sidney Crosby rimoski 333g 62g 66g 102a 168t +78 2.71ppg 50.4%

2nd Bobby Ryan owen sound 245g 62g 37g 52a 89t +30 1.43ppg 36.32%

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Hes a DEADLY player but unfortunately his draft year fell on the same year as 2 kids that the hockey world has put through our heads over and over for years will forsurely go 1,2 in the draft. Obviously McDavid and Eichel will go 1,2 but I wouldn't be surprised if some scouts have Marner ahead of one of them

 

[Plastic Joseph]

So would you have taken Crouse over Stamkos, Hall...?

Marner's #s

42g 34g 56a 90t +37 2.14ppg 49.45%

Has there ever been a prospect put up Marner’s #’s and received as little recognition? The numbers suggest only Crosby or Kanes numbers have been better. Kane was a year older and his line mates were Gagne and Kostitsyn

By the numbers

Forwards only

2014 Draft team total
2nd Reinhart kootney 230g 60g 36g 69a 105t +24 1.75 ppg 45.6%

4th Bennett Kingston 298g 57g 36g 55a 91t +34 1.59 ppg 39.5%


2013 draft
1st Mc Kinnon 343g 44g 32g 43a 75t +40 1.70ppg 21.86%

3rd Droiun 343g 49g 41g 64a 105t +48 2.14ppg 30.6%

2012 draft
1st Nail Yakapov sarnia 243 g 65g 49g 52a 101t -2 1.55ppg 41.56%

3rd Alex Galchenyuk 68g 31g 52a 83t -8 1.22ppg 34.15%


2011
1st RNH Red Deer 268g 69g 31g 75a 106t +29 1.53ppg 39.55%

2nd Gabriel Landeskog KR 283g 61g 24g 22a 46t E .75ppg 16.25%


2010
Taylor Hall Windsor 3rd yr in league 327g 57g 40g 66a 106t +46 1.85ppg 32.41%

Tyler Seguin Plymouth 243g 63g 48g 58a 106t +17 1.68ppg 43.62%


2009
1st John Tavares Gens 3rd yr 287g 59g 40g 78a 118t +22 2.0ppg 41.11%

3rd Matt Duchene Brampton 259g 57g 31g 48a 79t +32 1.38ppg 30.50%


2008
1st Steven Stamkos Sarnia 248g 61g 58g 41a 105t +18 1.72ppg 42.33%

2007
1st Patrick Kane London 301g 58g 62g 83a 145t +42 2.5ppg 48.17%

6th Sam Gagner London 53g 35g 83a 118t +32 2.22ppg 39.20%

2006
2nd Jordan Staal Peterborough 268g 68g 28g 40a 68t +16 1ppg 25.37%

2005
Sidney Crosby rimoski 333g 62g 66g 102a 168t +78 2.71ppg 50.4%

2nd Bobby Ryan owen sound 245g 62g 37g 52a 89t +30 1.43ppg 36.32%

Not really a good measure because you took account of the total goals the teams scored that year rather than how many they scored while that player was playing.

Marner is having a very good season no doubt but I don't think one can conclude from this that he is on the same level has guys like Hall, Stamkos, and MacKinnon were at the same age.

 

[Approved Variety]

Marner is having a very good season no doubt but I don't think one can conclude from this that he is on the same level has guys like Hall, Stamkos, and MacKinnon were at the same age.

Why is that?

 

[rosemount289]

Knightnight you are..............???

So would you have taken Crouse over Stamkos, Hall...?

Marner's #s

42g 34g 56a 90t +37 2.14ppg 49.45%

Has there ever been a prospect put up Marner’s #’s and received as little recognition? The numbers suggest only Crosby or Kanes numbers have been better. Kane was a year older and his line mates were Gagne and Kostitsyn

By the numbers

Forwards only

2014 Draft team total
2nd Reinhart kootney 230g 60g 36g 69a 105t +24 1.75 ppg 45.6%

4th Bennett Kingston 298g 57g 36g 55a 91t +34 1.59 ppg 39.5%


2013 draft
1st Mc Kinnon 343g 44g 32g 43a 75t +40 1.70ppg 21.86%

3rd Droiun 343g 49g 41g 64a 105t +48 2.14ppg 30.6%

2012 draft
1st Nail Yakapov sarnia 243 g 65g 49g 52a 101t -2 1.55ppg 41.56%

3rd Alex Galchenyuk 68g 31g 52a 83t -8 1.22ppg 34.15%


2011
1st RNH Red Deer 268g 69g 31g 75a 106t +29 1.53ppg 39.55%

2nd Gabriel Landeskog KR 283g 61g 24g 22a 46t E .75ppg 16.25%


2010
Taylor Hall Windsor 3rd yr in league 327g 57g 40g 66a 106t +46 1.85ppg 32.41%

Tyler Seguin Plymouth 243g 63g 48g 58a 106t +17 1.68ppg 43.62%


2009
1st John Tavares Gens 3rd yr 287g 59g 40g 78a 118t +22 2.0ppg 41.11%

3rd Matt Duchene Brampton 259g 57g 31g 48a 79t +32 1.38ppg 30.50%


2008
1st Steven Stamkos Sarnia 248g 61g 58g 41a 105t +18 1.72ppg 42.33%

2007
1st Patrick Kane London 301g 58g 62g 83a 145t +42 2.5ppg 48.17%

6th Sam Gagner London 53g 35g 83a 118t +32 2.22ppg 39.20%

2006
2nd Jordan Staal Peterborough 268g 68g 28g 40a 68t +16 1ppg 25.37%

2005
Sidney Crosby rimoski 333g 62g 66g 102a 168t +78 2.71ppg 50.4%

2nd Bobby Ryan owen sound 245g 62g 37g 52a 89t +30 1.43ppg 36.32%

Notice you are only showing 42 games played for Marner............how about previous years totals???

 

[Knightnight]

Why is that?

Because all the hype has gone to 3 players I would say.

 

[axman15]

The more I see this kid play, the more I feel he's going to be the real deal. Right now, I'd take him #3. He's got a ridiculous hockey sense.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Why is that?

Because points per game is not an accurate representation of players in junior, especially when a certain poster is entirely ignoring to account for the goals the teams scored while the players were not in the lineup.

Like I said, Marner is a great prospect but I don't think you'll find many people who disagree with me when I say he is not on Mackinnon/Stamkos/Hall level.

Pierre Marc-Bouchard had 140 points in his draft season, you should run his %.

 

[Halfy]

Hes a DEADLY player but unfortunately his draft year fell on the same year as 2 kids that the hockey world has put through our heads over and over for years will forsurely go 1,2 in the draft. Obviously McDavid and Eichel will go 1,2 but I wouldn't be surprised if some scouts have Marner ahead of one of them

I'm a huge Marner fan, but ahead of McDavid or Eichel? Lol.

 

[fmrdh]

How physical is he?

Obviously he's a very high end talent but he might be a few years away from the NHL just because of his weight.

Ehlers was a similar size/weight at the time he was drafted and it was apparent that he needed time to develop physically.

That being said, whoever gets to draft this guy will be very happy.

 

[Approved Variety]

Nothing wrong with him needing a couple years to develop in London, then AHL before coming up. Learn from Edmonton's mistakes...

 

[Knightnight]

Because points per game is not an accurate representation of players in junior, especially when a certain poster is entirely ignoring to account for the goals the teams scored while the players were not in the lineup.

Like I said, Marner is a great prospect but I don't think you'll find many people who disagree with me when I say he is not on Mackinnon/Stamkos/Hall level.

Pierre Marc-Bouchard had 140 points in his draft season, you should run his %.

Well the stats listed were not just points per game. The advanced stats the CHL use also show Marner near the top of every category. But thank you for giving me one example in the last 15 years of someone with crazy numbers but still went 8th overall. But it looks more often than not most prospects that are dominant in junior go on to have pretty good careers as a top player in the NHL. You might be right he might be a bust. But statistically he has better odds the other way around.

 

[TOML]

Where was he last game? Didn't dress.