Pavel Buchnevich
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Apparently it does. It doesn't matter what you or I think. Statistics say it matters.
C Marco Rossi - Ottawa 67’s, OHL (2020 Draft)
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Apparently it does. It doesn't matter what you or I think. Statistics say it matters.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
You are letting your own opinions of the players try to override stats.
And thats certainly allowed, but don't try to criticize others that prefer to go with the stats. Your argument is much more of your own method that statistically is without precedent in the current league as opposed to what the data says matters.
Realgud
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Well, if you are talking about TOP 6 centers in NHL, then it is not exactly without precedent that there have been 5'9 or shorter centers in NHL. Briere, Straka, Larionov
Then, another problem is that you are setting the bar at 5'10 and then you say that this is some kind of a border, you are 5'10, you can be a superstar in NHL(on top of my head, LaFontaine, Gilmour etc), but if you are 5'9 it is impossible. But why is your border exactly at 5'10? I am pretty sure that if NHL was in Europe and majority of fans were from Europe, it would not have been an issue at all, because we use cm, while you can set the "necessary" bar at 5'10 it wouldn't make sense to set it at 178 cm.
Finally, Rossi is 5'9 he is 176 cm. Your barrier is 5'10 which is 178 cm. It is 2cm difference. It is actually not even a full inch. If Rossi was 5'7 or 5'6 I would understand the concerns for sure. But when we talk about this kind of barriers for certain positions in sports, like
if you want to play center in NHL you should be 5'10 or taller
if you want to play heavy forward in NBA you should be 6'7 or taller
if you want to be a heavyweight boxer you should be 6'3 or taller
if you want to be a soccer goalie you should be 6'2 or taller
Al of this is about approximate numbers. Not exact ones. Nobody is shocked that 6'2 Holyfield was a dominant boxer. Nobody is shocked that Marc Ter Stegen at 6'1 is an elite goalie. Now a 5'9 heavyweight champ would be a surpries(Tyson was 5'10 though), 5'11 elite soccer goalie would be an exception etc. But Rossi is not that much smaller than some star centers.
JungleBeat
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Are people really getting worked up because of a 2 cm height difference? He might be even bigger now anyways.
You might think this is a women's gossip forum
Artorius Horus T
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Yup. That is the way here.... Because inch's...single digit vs double digits...lol
- adapt to the metric system already... NA lives in the past, like way past
Yeah, I mean guys, if you have concerns about Rossi's size it is fine, you can have them, he is definately smallish. But acting like Rossi is some dwarf while guys like Kane, Point or even Crosby have perfect NHL size is kinda, you know, silly?
I mean, have some you guys been traumatized by roller coaster measurments in the past or what?
I remember my uncle was in the army and he was complaining about the fact that he was not given an extra food portion because he was 189 cm(6'2) and extra food was only for 190cm(6'3) or taller. That was a good reason to be worked up about this kind of stuff.))
I mean, have some you guys been traumatized by roller coaster measurments in the past or what?
I remember my uncle was in the army and he was complaining about the fact that he was not given an extra food portion because he was 189 cm(6'2) and extra food was only for 190cm(6'3) or taller. That was a good reason to be worked up about this kind of stuff.))
SteveCangialosi123
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Conveniently ignoring that when Point was last actually officially measured he came in under 5-10 blowing apart your whole point.
I think it is a legit conversation in terms of ranking him against his peers, especially if you give additional weight to position. And to be honest, the issue is really the size/skating combo not simply 2 cm of height. Furthermore, even if you think he can play center, I think you need to ask yourself if he can play center high enough up the lineup to assign extra value to that position on draft day. As others have said before, there are reasons to argue that he will be able to play center at the next level and arguments that he will not.
Anyways, it is a legit topic of discussion in evaluating a junior player heading into draft day.
Sens of Anarchy
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OK so 5'10 players can play C and 5'9 + players can't statistically is your argument.. And someone thinks that is well put ok... I guess its nicely put enough.
anyway statistically; since you seem to like that aspect, in the OHL Since 2008 one player in their DY put up better pts/game than Rossi. 1 Player... Like I said he won't have to play 1C to be an effective NHL player. Coaches may deploy him on the wing where he likely fits in on the top line on several teams at some point, or at 2C. My opinion is that his motor, work ethic on and off the ice and high end IQ give him a chance to be an NHL C.. even if he is a pubic hair under 5 '10...
Look at the company this kid is in.
| LEAGUE | NAME | DY+/- | SEASON | TP/GP |
| OHL | Connor Mcdavid | DY | 2015 | 2.5532 |
| OHL | Marco Rossi | DY | 2020 | 2.1429 |
| OHL | Mitchell Marner | DY | 2015 | 2 |
| OHL | Dylan Strome | DY | 2015 | 1.8971 |
| OHL | Matthew Tkachuk | DY | 2016 | 1.8772 |
| OHL | Taylor Hall | DY | 2010 | 1.8596 |
| OHL | John Tavares | DY | 2009 | 1.8571 |
| OHL | Quinton Byfield | DY | 2020 | 1.8222 |
| OHL | Cole Perfetti | DY | 2020 | 1.8197 |
| OHL | Steven Stamkos | DY | 2008 | 1.7213 |
| OHL | Alex DeBrincat | DY | 2016 | 1.6833 |
| OHL | Tyler Seguin | DY | 2010 | 1.6825 |
Realgud
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Yeah there are many factors why I strongly believe in Rossi succeeding and breaking the "norm". There are concerns about his upside at the NHL level but I think he's the one to overcome them. You can't teach that work ethic. I was high on Nick Robertson last year for the same reason.
newfy
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Youre talking guys with first overall skill that are still an inch or two bigger than Rossi with Kane and Crosby and one is a winger. Both are much better skaters as well. People keep acting like these players mean that there shouldnt be size concerns with Rossi when mixed with his skating doesnt make sense to me. Youre still also talking a difference of a couple inches possibly, its like the difference between 6 foot and 6 foot 2. When youre talking about "small" players, people just mention other small players but dont take into account that thats actually a noticeable difference. It also doesnt take style of play into account. Crosby and Rossi play alike but Kane plays nothing like Rossi.
Point is absolutely an exception and still listed an inch bigger as well. Hes a third round pick and a weird case though. Like I've said, top 7 pick in the draft but talking about 1st overall picks that are a couple inches bigger isnt a great way to ease my size concerns.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
And no one is getting worked up about it. This is always the clapback. It’s a relevant data point. You can certainly decide to go against this data point and think Rossi will be an exception, but to ignore it’s worth or act as if it’s not real makes no sense.
I also agree that size/skating is the larger issue with Rossi being a top 6 center. His size is the first obstacle before we even get to the skating. It’s a huge obstacle. When you factor in his skating, it’s an even bigger obstacle. If for some reason he measures in at 5’10, it doesn’t mean he will automatically be a top 6 center. At 5’10, he’s still undersized and probably needs better skating to stick as a top 6 center.
AB13
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I don’t see why people worry about his height at all. He is a strong physical monster with loads of muscle, that is really what is most relevant in terms of physical battles in hockey, not height. He already has an NHL ready body and will probably beat most players 10 cm taller in physical duels along the boards or so. Being 5’9 and muscular is better than being 6’1 and lanky.
SteveCangialosi123
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5’9.75”
Surely none of the 5’10” players in the league that weren’t measured at the combine could be under 5’10” also.
Which players 5'9" or shorter would you say didn't make it as a top 6 C in NHL, but would have had they been 5'10"?
Don't kid yourself, reach is always an advantage in defending. No amount of physical strength will make you longer.
Why aren't there more top-six centers who are under 5'10" in the NHL? Plenty of smaller players play center at the junior level.
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FWIW Claude Giroux is shorter than his listed 5ft11. Either that or all my 5ft11 firends are actually 6ft tall. lol
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| LEAGUE | NAME | DY+/- | SEASON | TP/GP |
| OHL | Connor Mcdavid | DY | 2015 | 2.5532 |
| OHL | Marco Rossi | DY | 2020 | 2.1429 |
| OHL | Mitchell Marner | DY | 2015 | 2 |
| OHL | Dylan Strome | DY | 2015 | 1.8971 |
| OHL | Matthew Tkachuk | DY | 2016 | 1.8772 |
| OHL | Taylor Hall | DY | 2010 | 1.8596 |
| OHL | John Tavares | DY | 2009 | 1.8571 |
| OHL | Quinton Byfield | DY | 2020 | 1.8222 |
| OHL | Cole Perfetti | DY | 2020 | 1.8197 |
| OHL | Steven Stamkos | DY | 2008 | 1.7213 |
| OHL | Alex DeBrincat | DY | 2016 | 1.6833 |
| OHL | Tyler Seguin | DY | 2010 | 1.6825 |
Are any of them on this list?
The point is that that doesn't matter if there's not been one on the level of Rossi who failed due to their height, don't you realize?
Kingpin794
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I'll preface this by saying I think Rossi will be a good NHLer and that I don't really care about height of a player unless their like 5' 6" or something outrageous. For me, however, what stands out is that he only had a PPG of 1.17 against teams with a 0.600% or better. These would have been teams that were much closer in talent to Ottawa. The talent gap between 90% of NHL teams is much less pronounced compared to junior hockey. (these plays ins sort of confirm that). This would be my concern about how his offense will translate. He seemed to take advantage of the fact that he was older and stronger than some bottom teams who are typical filled with younger players that aren't physically filled out yet.
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