C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

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Pulling a pitcher early in a game doesnt have the same effect of pulling your 1c in and out of the line up constantly and forever having your lines in a blender.

Lines get shuffled all the time in the NHL for various reasons; guys get hurt, guys hit slumps, whatever.

In any case I'm talking more about limiting pitches entirely, which never used to be a thing. In fact the old school argument when I grew up was that letting kids pitch a ton, either in one game or on short rest or both, built up strength. Coaches let a kid pitch until the kid said he was done or until he started giving up hits and the manager made the call.
 
Lines get shuffled all the time in the NHL for various reasons; guys get hurt, guys hit slumps, whatever.

In any case I'm talking more about limiting pitches entirely, which never used to be a thing. In fact the old school argument when I grew up was that letting kids pitch a ton, either in one game or on short rest or both, built up strength. Coaches let a kid pitch until the kid said he was done or until he started giving up hits and the manager made the call.
Its a lot easier to quantify when a pitcher starts to become worse (tired) than it is to do that with an NHL player playing games. You can easily just look at how the number of strikes/balls/hits change as the game goes on.

This is an apples to oranges comparison. The fact is, there is no comparison for this situation.
 
Galaxy brain stuff from Anaheim management

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Sounds like he's playing tonight, so that should be fun. If the Ducks win tonight I wonder if the team starts asking if sneaking into the playoffs is a possibility.
We would need to figure some stuff out
- How to have a functional power play
- how to get rid of silfverberg
- How to get zegras/terry going

Honestly on paper (assuming carlsson is as good as hes looked and zegras gets going production wise) the team looks solid

Killorn Carlsson Zegras
Vatrano McTavish Terry
Henrique Lundy Strome
Leason Carrick Johnston - Groulx/Jones as subs

Fowler Drysdale
Lacombe Gudas
Mintyukov Lybushkin

Gibby/Dostal - is a solid duo, and will keep gibsons games down
 
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We would need to figure some stuff out
- How to have a functional power play
- how to get rid of silfverberg
- How to get zegras/terry going

Honestly on paper (assuming carlsson is as good as hes looked and zegras gets going production wise) the team looks solid

Killorn Carlsson Zegras
Vatrano McTavish Terry
Henrique Lundy Strome
Leason Carrick Johnston - Groulx/Jones as subs

Fowler Drysdale
Lacombe Gudas
Mintyukov Lybushkin

Gibby/Dostal - is a solid duo, and will keep gibsons games down
If they manage a win tonight, they'd be 3-4 despite playing the Bruins twice, Carolina, Dallas, and Vegas.

That's obviously a big if, but I guess that's my point. IF they manage a win 3-4 would be a pretty solid record considering how many things haven't gone well for them yet. You have to wonder if they begin to ask themselves how far away they actually are from competiting.
 
If they manage a win tonight, they'd be 3-4 despite playing the Bruins twice, Carolina, Dallas, and Vegas.

That's obviously a big if, but I guess that's my point. IF they manage a win 3-4 would be a pretty solid record considering how many things haven't gone well for them yet. You have to wonder if they begin to ask themselves how far away they actually are from competiting.
They did play boston pretty strong last game without carlsson.

I think PV/Cronin see this as a developmental season... winning games is great but i doubt they change their direction on anything. Still a bit of fat to cut in the line up (some of it just goes away at end of season/deadline), and getting those big players to play the style we want, or in mctavish/carlsson/mintyukov/lacombe/dostal just getting that experience at nhl level. I think well see Zellweger/regenda/perreault get some games at some point
 
He's an 18 year old coming back from injury in his first games in the NHL... how is this so controversial? I think another point is the NHL grind of a season could absolutely hinder his growth physically, kid is still growing. Just because he is good enough to play and succeed doesnt mean there's not better ways ease a kid into the toughest league/schedule in the world. It's a long term play and I think both the team and players agree this is in the best interest of a franchise player.
 
Getting away from the load management debate, once again he looked like the best forward on the ice (for the Ducks. Don't wanna take away from Pasta). His vision and IQ is off the charts. Against a good team like Boston he was the most involved in creating dangerous chances in just his third game. The kid is special.
 
Leo basically helped win this game for them. But yeah let’s manage his games. :dunno:
This is the exact problem I foresaw. They're now 3-4 despite a really tough schedule. This might be a team that's closer to competing than management expected. Hard to justify sitting their #1 center when they could be a surprise challenger for a WC spot.

Him performing well isn't proof they are doing the wrong thing...
But them winning games vs teams like Boston might be proof that they should be playing each game to win.
 
This is the exact problem I foresaw. They're now 3-4 despite a really tough schedule. This might be a team that's closer to competing than management expected. Hard to justify sitting their #1 center when they could be a surprise challenger for a WC spot.


But them winning games vs teams like Boston might be proof that they should be playing each game to win.
Come on. A sniff at the 8th seed vs what they believe is the right way to bring Leo along arent in the same stratosphere of importance. They can't be that shortsighted.
 
So how often is he going to be scratched? When I read that I figured maybe every 10 games they would scratch him one game, but then i seen he was scratched two games in a row already. Is he going to be sitting alot the next while. Seems excessive given how good he looks.
 
This is the exact problem I foresaw. They're now 3-4 despite a really tough schedule. This might be a team that's closer to competing than management expected. Hard to justify sitting their #1 center when they could be a surprise challenger for a WC spot.


But them winning games vs teams like Boston might be proof that they should be playing each game to win.

Nothing says they can't change their plan at any moment. It's not as if the plan was delivered by Verbeek to Cronin on stone tablets etched by a divine power.
 
I don't see it as shortsighted, I see it as giving your young players the chance to play meaningful games late in the season. That's valuable experience.
It is, but not if it is worth the cost of what they believe would be detrimental to our most important player.
 
This is the exact problem I foresaw. They're now 3-4 despite a really tough schedule. This might be a team that's closer to competing than management expected. Hard to justify sitting their #1 center when they could be a surprise challenger for a WC spot.


But them winning games vs teams like Boston might be proof that they should be playing each game to win.
Not crazy about it, but if this helps him in the long run then it’s fine. The Ducks look just so much better when he is in the line up. But it can only get better right? I think Verbeek’s primary focus is player development and playoffs is not the goal this year. Of course they want to win, but it’s about having competitive hockey around these kids, and if they sneak Into a WC spot awesome.
So how often is he going to be scratched? When I read that I figured maybe every 10 games they would scratch him one game, but then i seen he was scratched two games in a row already. Is he going to be sitting alot the next while. Seems excessive given how good he looks.

The plan is to play him twice a week.
 
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His overall game has been world's better than Bedard's thus far. Carlsson has been so incredible defensively.
I enjoy watching him defensively. He trails people and then stick lifts really well, clogs up passing lanes with his stick/long reach mixed with anticipation and he actively scans around in the Dzone to try and identify where to be or who to engage.
The way he stripped Poitras of the puck this game was so clean.
 
I don't see it as shortsighted, I see it as giving your young players the chance to play meaningful games late in the season. That's valuable experience.
I think the big thing is, were doing this with a power play clicking at 4%... and zegras has 0 goals 1 assist, and terry has played like crap. No killorn, no drysdale, no lundy.

Even without carlsson, i think you can see the culture/style change cronin/PV have brought to the locker room.... and they can still be a tough team to beat without carlsson playing 82/82.

Mintyukov has been a revelation for our defense
 

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