C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

[hotcabbagesoup]

Look on the bright side: it keeps his numbers down for when they negotiate his extension after next season!

Will it though?

Putting myself in Leo shoes I see Minty also just 19, first year in league and he gets to play every game. Will Carlsson try to stick it to Verbeek in negotiations?

As example, Eklund played well with Sharks right after his draft. They needed another forward anyways but then after nine games, Sharks sent him back to Sweden. In the final interview before going back to Sweden, Eklund was in his room, answering questions but his face was red, his eyes red, his face very sad. He was crying before, Im sure of it. Future face of Sharks, crying like a baby! He will no doubt remember that when we have to negotiate contract with him and I'm sure he will stick it to us. (That's the story of a mediocre organization like the Sharks, don't be like us Anaheim!!)

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Will it though?

Putting myself in Leo shoes I see Minty also just 19, first year in league and he gets to play every game. Will Carlsson try to stick it to Verbeek in negotiations?

As example, Eklund played well with Sharks right after his draft. They needed another forward anyways but then after nine games, Sharks sent him back to Sweden. In the final interview before going back to Sweden, Eklund was in his room, answering questions but his face was red, his eyes red, his face very sad. He was crying before, Im sure of it. Future face of Sharks, crying like a baby! He will no doubt remember that when we have to negotiate contract with him and I'm sure he will stick it to us. (That's the story of a mediocre organization like the Sharks, don't be like us Anaheim!!)

I would think this stuff plays on their mind as well. Minty playing every game, LaCombe playing every game (although a little older of a rookie). Imagine sitting in the press box watching as they all get to play and then also having to look at the guy drafted after you getting to play in the very game you’re sitting in the press box for.

 

[Gliff]

I would think this stuff plays on their mind as well. Minty playing every game, LaCombe playing every game (although a little older of a rookie). Imagine sitting in the press box watching as they all get to play and then also having to look at the guy drafted after you getting to play in the very game you’re sitting in the press box for.

LaCombe is in his d+4. Completely different.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

LaCombe is in his d+4. Completely different.

Wasn’t the point. He’s still a rookie. Plus, I acknowledged he’s a bit older of a rookie. Meanwhile, Carlsson has experience already in a men’s league, so it’s not like he’s wet behind the ears. I mean, do you really think he’s not feeling any emotion about sitting out and watching others play?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

LaCombe is in his d+4. Completely different.

It's not just about draft year, it's about opportunity and competitiveness. I am sure Carlsson has decent bonuses tied down to GP, milestones and possibly winning the calder trophy. It must suck seing the like of Fantilli and Bedard play every game while probably being as good as them but restricted by your organisation like you cannot handle it.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

It's not just about draft year, it's about opportunity and competitiveness. I am sure Carlsson has decent bonuses tied down to GP, milestones and possibly winning the calder trophy. It must suck seing the like of Fantilli and Bedard play every game while probably being as good as them but restricted by your organisation like you cannot handle it.

This, exactly.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

It's not just about draft year, it's about opportunity and competitiveness. I am sure Carlsson has decent bonuses tied down to GP, milestones and possibly winning the calder trophy. It must suck seing the like of Fantilli and Bedard play every game while probably being as good as them but restricted by your organisation like you cannot handle it.

You, my friend, are eloquent with words.

 

[Rasp]

Imagine getting upset over how someone else may feel about a situation when they have already said they are completely in support of it.

 

[Matsun]

It's not just about draft year, it's about opportunity and competitiveness. I am sure Carlsson has decent bonuses tied down to GP, milestones and possibly winning the calder trophy. It must suck seing the like of Fantilli and Bedard play every game while probably being as good as them but restricted by your organisation like you cannot handle it.

This.

I don't think the team is doing this without Leo's permission or anything but if them resting him is going to cost him chances at bonuses how is that allowed? Wouldn't this have the potential to become a big problem with the NHLPA?

 

[OiledUp]

Of the Oilers players to step straight from the draft into a full NHL season McDavid, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins were all injured during their first season. The only one who didn't get injured was Yakupov in a 48 game lockout season(and that turned out just great).
I think there could be something to this strategy as the NHL schedule takes it's toll on an 18 year old, in general I think NHL clubs(and player agents) tend to push their top picks into the league too early, they have the skill but not the maturity for it, I believe teams would get more bang for their buck if they held them back more often. And I do have a degree in sports physiology from the Hfboards College in Springfield.

 

[flyerslducks]

Pretty dumb in my opinion. Idk why duck fans are so supportive lol. I want to see him play more and develop with the team. Not so sure how this really helps that much

Of the Oilers players to step straight from the draft into a full NHL season McDavid, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins were all injured during their first season. The only one who didn't get injured was Yakupov in a 48 game lockout season(and that turned out just great).
I think there could be something to this strategy as the NHL schedule takes it's toll on an 18 year old, in general I think NHL clubs(and player agents) tend to push their top picks into the league too early, they have the skill but not the maturity for it, I believe teams would get more bang for their buck if they held them back more often. And I do have a degree in sports physiology from the Hfboards College in Springfield.

Pushing players in the league early vs sitting them when they are healthy is different story entirely. Lots of players get thrust into positions they cannot succeed in and thst ruins development. You can always manage their toi and their deployment if anything

 

[ff8]

This.

I don't think the team is doing this without Leo's permission or anything but if them resting him is going to cost him chances at bonuses how is that allowed? Wouldn't this have the potential to become a big problem with the NHLPA?

If he and his agent are on board (they are), there’s no problem.

This is really weird. The guy isn’t 12 years old and in need of protection. I don’t see other top rookies sitting out games for “development” reasons. Also, what 18 year old needs rest? They have the most energy of everyone. Maybe sit the older players instead. Should’ve just sent him back it orebro if they didn’t want to let him play.

It’s been stated enough that isn’t strictly for rest. It’s in conjunction with an off ice training plan.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

If he and his agent are on board (they are), there’s no problem.

This is where I have an issue... of course Carlsson and his agent won't say anything bad about it otherwise he would be off on the first plane to Sweden.

It's sure that Carlsson is fine about it because of his status in the NHL hint: 18 years old rookie. He would not say a bad thing about it so he can stay in the NHL but there's IMO a difference in accepting the decision and be fully supportive of that decision. Any competitive athlete would want to play in every game.

 

[dracom]

This is where I have an issue... of course Carlsson and his agent won't say anything bad about it otherwise he would be off on the first plane to Sweden.

Dumb. Of course his agent would say something if they had an issue with it. That’s their job. And thinking they would kick him back to sweden out of spite or something is ridiculous.

 

[Gliff]

Pretty dumb in my opinion. Idk why duck fans are so supportive lol. I want to see him play more and develop with the team. Not so sure how this really helps that much


Pushing players in the league early vs sitting them when they are healthy is different story entirely. Lots of players get thrust into positions they cannot succeed in and thst ruins development. You can always manage their toi and their deployment if anything

Because I trust the GM/staff and the player/agent to have a better idea of what is better for him then HF posters.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Dumb. Of course his agent would say something if they had an issue with it. That’s their job. And thinking they would kick him back to sweden out of spite or something is ridiculous.

What his agent would do exactly?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

If he and his agent are on board (they are), there’s no problem.


It’s been stated enough that isn’t strictly for rest. It’s in conjunction with an off ice training plan.

Didn’t say it was a “problem”, I said it’s weird as sh*t, as other teams don’t do this to their top rated prospects. He’s being coddled. He should be in the run for the Calder. You can be ok with it and that’s fine, just like others can think it’s silly.

Imagine getting upset over how someone else may feel about a situation when they have already said they are completely in support of it.

Are we “upset” about it or are we thinking it’s weird as sh*t? There’s a difference.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Pretty dumb in my opinion. Idk why duck fans are so supportive lol. I want to see him play more and develop with the team. Not so sure how this really helps that much


Pushing players in the league early vs sitting them when they are healthy is different story entirely. Lots of players get thrust into positions they cannot succeed in and thst ruins development. You can always manage their toi and their deployment if anything

This Ducks fan isn’t in support of it. I think if he needs that much coddling he should’ve been returned to Orebro or sent down to the AHL.

This is where I have an issue... of course Carlsson and his agent won't say anything bad about it otherwise he would be off on the first plane to Sweden.

It's sure that Carlsson is fine about it because of his status in the NHL hint: 18 years old rookie. He would not say a bad thing about it so he can stay in the NHL but there's IMO a difference in accepting the decision and be fully supportive of that decision. Any competitive athlete would want to play in every game.

Again, agree with you 100%. And for those stating that some of us are mad about it, is silly. It’s more perplexed than anything.

 

[majormajor]

This Ducks fan isn’t in support of it. I think if he needs that much coddling he should’ve been returned to Orebro or sent down to the AHL.

FWIW Orebro doesn't play every second night either.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

FWIW Orebro doesn't play every second night either.

Yeah, but that’s not the reasons I’d prefer him in Orebro to what they’re doing with him in Anaheim. The main reason would be for him to play every game with the team and build chemistry with the players he’s playing with. Taking games off can arguably hurt the chemistry between him and his line mates in Anaheim, thus possibly stunting his progress/development.

 

[majormajor]

Yeah, but that’s not the reasons I’d prefer him in Orebro to what they’re doing with him in Anaheim. The main reason would be for him to play every game with the team and build chemistry with the players he’s playing with. Taking games off can arguably hurt the chemistry between him and his line mates in Anaheim, thus possibly stunting his progress/development.

The main alternative typical in the NHL is that rookies are brought into the league on depth lines where their minutes are short. I don't think that is better for Carlsson's development. Playing 2 out of 3 games with Troy Terry is always better than 3 out of 3 with a 3rd liner, chemistry can't overcome that gap in hockey sense.

 

[Peasy]

The main alternative typical in the NHL is that rookies are brought into the league on depth lines where their minutes are short. I don't think that is better for Carlsson's development. Playing 2 out of 3 games with Troy Terry is always better than 3 out of 3 with a 3rd liner, chemistry can't overcome that gap in hockey sense.

Why does it need to be a 3rd liner, or he has to play 20 mins a night lol?

Why can't it just be like he plays 16-17 minutes on the second line with either one of zegras/terry. Matthews played 17:38 his rookie year. I don't see why Carlsson wouldnt be able to handle that.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

The main alternative typical in the NHL is that rookies are brought into the league on depth lines where their minutes are short. I don't think that is better for Carlsson's development. Playing 2 out of 3 games with Troy Terry is always better than 3 out of 3 with a 3rd liner, chemistry can't overcome that gap in hockey sense.

I also don’t think playing with third liners is better for his development. I think playing top minutes, leading his team is good for his development. If that’s not in Anaheim, then I’m of the opinion it should be elsewhere, Orebro or AHL. Let him build his strength and whatever else they’re doing with this coddling and then let him come up to the NHL and compete for the Calder when they feel he’s ready.

 

[Predatore]

He played 85 games last season (excluding exhibition) so this strikes me as strange…being one year older now as well. I guess the Ducks have seen him having some issues with post-game recovery?

 

[flyerslducks]

Why does it need to be a 3rd liner, or he has to play 20 mins a night lol?

Why can't it just be like he plays 16-17 minutes on the second line with either one of zegras/terry. Matthews played 17:38 his rookie year. I don't see why Carlsson wouldnt be able to handle that.

He can, idk why they won’t try it tbh. They can easily have mcTavish and Carlson play with one of zegras/terry. At some point they will but I’d rather just play him 16-17 a night than scratch him here and there so he can be fresh for the last half of the season.