C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

[majormajor]

Fans have been conditioned by the 82 game season, which came about to maximize revenues, to think this is how much a prospect must play in order to develop properly.

This is a great move by the Ducks.

Imagine Bedard missing games for a conditioning and strength plan.

This just makes no sense

It would make a lot of sense if Bedard was still filling out.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

What message does this send to the other rookies in the line up? Mintyukov has been a monster but is he not as important?

 

[Kalv]

What message does this send to the other rookies in the line up? Mintyukov has been a monster but is he not as important?

Mintyukov is very filled out. Carlsson has a lot of growing into his body to do, still

 

[forever1922]

Mintyukov is very filled out. Carlsson has a lot of growing into his body to do, still

And a year older, more experienced etc.

But there is sort of a point still where the prospects should feel like they're developed as well as the org can. I'm sure they have had individual meetings about what the best course of action is with each prospect not just this year but throughout ever since they're drafted. So in the end, no, they probably don't read into others' situations but instead focus on their own.

 

[strattonius]

Stupid development path.

Just feels like Anaheim overprotecting their golden egg.

It sends all kinds of wrong messages too.

 

[Gliff]

Stupid development path.

Just feels like Anaheim overprotecting their golden egg.

It sends all kinds of wrong messages too.

How does it send the wrong message? The Ducks have been open that this is a development year.

 

[strattonius]

How does it send the wrong message? The Ducks have been open that this is a development year.

It sends a message to the team that losing is okay.

Dress your best players, especially if they are young. Gotta build chemistry, build resilience and learn how to win. Carlsson will learn the rigors of an NHL season. Stop protecting him like he's your little golden egg.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

This is really weird. The guy isn’t 12 years old and in need of protection. I don’t see other top rookies sitting out games for “development” reasons. Also, what 18 year old needs rest? They have the most energy of everyone. Maybe sit the older players instead. Should’ve just sent him back it orebro if they didn’t want to let him play.

 

[NYR94]

I'd really like to see him play but I'm going to give the hockey professionals who are actually in charge the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I'd really like to see him play but I'm going to give the hockey professionals who are actually in charge the benefit of the doubt here.

This is Greg Cronin's first year as an NHL head coach though. I know he's been an NHL assistant coach before but how much does he really know about managing NHL players as a head coach? He's just never done it before.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I'd really like to see him play but I'm going to give the hockey professionals who are actually in charge the benefit of the doubt here.

I’m sure they do know better but it just seems really odd given how other top rookies play entire seasons and do just fine with the workload.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

This is Greg Cronin's first year as an NHL head coach though. I know he's been an NHL assistant coach before but how much does he really know about managing NHL players as a head coach? He's just never done it before.

This seems to be coming from Verbeek, not Cronin.

 

[majormajor]

This is really weird. The guy isn’t 12 years old and in need of protection. I don’t see other top rookies sitting out games for “development” reasons.

Arguably they should. Not Fantilli and Bedard, who are physically precocious, but your typical 18 year old doesn't need to play 82 games in half a year. More gym time is generally needed. People really underrate practice time too, players develop their skating and puck skills more there than in a game. You learn game sense from the games but Leo is a savant in that regard, he's not missing anything.

What teams more often do is play a rookie 12 minutes a night to help keep them from burning out. Anaheim is doing something more interesting and maybe smarter by putting Carlsson in 1C type situations with great linemates, but playing fewer games.

Also, what 18 year old needs rest? They have the most energy of everyone.

Not true at all for athletes. An 18 year old athlete is nothing like a 21 year old athlete in terms of endurance and strength.

I’m sure they do know better but it just seems really odd given how other top rookies play entire seasons and do just fine with the workload.

They often don't. The rookie wall is a thing. They often play well in part of the year and suffer the rest.

 

[Static]

This is really weird. The guy isn’t 12 years old and in need of protection. I don’t see other top rookies sitting out games for “development” reasons. Also, what 18 year old needs rest? They have the most energy of everyone. Maybe sit the older players instead. Should’ve just sent him back it orebro if they didn’t want to let him play.

This is incorrect. Medically, most teenagers do not get nearly the amount of rest they need.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Arguably they should. Not Fantilli and Bedard, who are physically precocious, but your typical 18 year old doesn't need to play 82 games in half a year. More gym time is generally needed. People really underrate practice time too, players develop their skating and puck skills more there than in a game. You learn game sense from the games but Leo is a savant in that regard, he's not missing anything.

What teams more often do is play a rookie 12 minutes a night to help keep them from burning out. Anaheim is doing something more interesting and maybe smarter by putting Carlsson in 1C type situations with great linemates, but playing fewer games.



Not true at all for athletes. An 18 year old athlete is nothing like a 21 year old athlete in terms of endurance and strength.



They often don't. The rookie wall is a thing. They often play well in part of the year and suffer the rest.

Maybe I should’ve been more clear but I thought my statement about sitting the older players would’ve insinuated that I was comparing younger players to older players with regards to energy levels.

As for the rookie wall, yeah I’m aware. McTavish pooped out last season. But that doesn’t mean it’ll happen to everyone. Also, if that’s the plan, there’s really no explanation for sitting him multiple games in a row, hindering his chemistry growth with his line mates. Regardless, all I was saying is it’s really odd, which you really can’t argue with because nobody else does it.

This is incorrect. Medically, most teenagers do not get nearly the amount of rest they need.

You realize you’re referring to sleep, right? Sitting Carlsson out of a game isn’t going to allow him more sleep time. Resting him from a game is completely different than getting more sleep time.

 

[Static]

Maybe I should’ve been more clear but I thought my statement about sitting the older players would’ve insinuated that I was comparing younger players to older players with regards to energy levels.

As for the rookie wall, yeah I’m aware. McTavish pooped out last season. But that doesn’t mean it’ll happen to everyone. Also, if that’s the plan, there’s really no explanation for sitting him multiple games in a row, hindering his chemistry growth with his line mates. Regardless, all I was saying is it’s really odd, which you really can’t argue with because nobody else does it.


You realize you’re referring to sleep, right? Sitting Carlsson out of a game isn’t going to allow him more sleep time. Resting him from a game is completely different than getting more sleep time.

I'm talking about rest in general.

Resting Carlsson is going to allow him to build muscle at a reasonable rate this season as he gets acclimated to a new schedule. There really isn't any downside whatsoever. He doesn't need to play every game.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I'm talking about rest in general.

Resting Carlsson is going to allow him to build muscle at a reasonable rate this season as he gets acclimated to a new schedule. There really isn't any downside whatsoever. He doesn't need to play every game.

You brought up “medically” which when you read about the medical studies, they specify that more sleep is needed. They don’t say anything about resting from daily activities or playing sports.

But as I mentioned in another comment, it just seems weird/odd given that other teams don’t do it with their star rookies.

It is what it is, obviously. And its just my opinion of it being weird. However, there are several other people commenting in here that agree that it’s weird as sh*t.

 

[Static]

You brought up “medically” which when you read about the medical studies, they specify that more sleep is needed. They don’t say anything about resting from daily activities or playing sports.

But as I mentioned in another comment, it just seems weird/odd given that other teams don’t do it with their star rookies.

It is what it is, obviously. And its just my opinion of it being weird. There are several other people commenting in here that agree that it’s weird as sh*t so not really sure why you took exception to me.

It's only weird because teams haven't done it before, not because the exercise itself doesn't make sense.

Young people his age are still physically maturing and that conflicts with the demands of an NHL season, one in which grown men cannot keep up muscle mass gained during the off-season because of how much they get worn down.

And yes, medically, kids his age don't get enough sleep. 99% of them also aren't exposed to the physical demands an elite athlete is. The merit of the plan makes sense if they want to avoid overexposure and that covers more than just sleep.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Bedard or Cooley are not stronger than Carlsson and he also had plenty of experience in a pro league already. It seems like Anaheim don't care about winning.

 

[Static]

Bedard or Cooley are not stronger than Carlsson and he also had plenty of experience in a pro league already. It seems like Anaheim don't care about winning.

What other teams do with their young players is of no consequence to Anaheim. If they think this is best for carlsson, then that's it.

 

[majormajor]

Bedard or Cooley are not stronger than Carlsson

Sure but they're also a lot closer to being maxed out.

 

[SenzZen]

Look on the bright side: it keeps his numbers down for when they negotiate his extension after next season!

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Bedard or Cooley are not stronger than Carlsson and he also had plenty of experience in a pro league already. It seems like Anaheim don't care about winning.

I don’t think it’s about not caring about winning but it sure seems like they’re treating him like he’s a delicate flower.

Look on the bright side: it keeps his numbers down for when they negotiate his extension after next season!

Lol. Meanwhile they’re playing Minty 20 minutes a night without sitting him out like they’re doing with Leo.

 

[theslatcher]

I'm talking about rest in general.

Resting Carlsson is going to allow him to build muscle at a reasonable rate this season as he gets acclimated to a new schedule. There really isn't any downside whatsoever. He doesn't need to play every game.

Eh, this is pretty much a continuation to his SHL schedule so far.