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C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)
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ZEBROA
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First game and after injury. I dont expect anything, but hope for the best. He should just go out and try to have fun. The rest will follow. Good luck!
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RayMartyniukTotems
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So a kid decked out in Anaheim Ducks colour suit and you think he didn't want to come to SCalifornia? I think he expected them to draft him 2nd overall!Not sure why the Ducks would turn him Pro early...should have sent him back to Sweden for more seasoning...Ducks have ruined too many 1st rounder players by turning them Pro too early Lundestrom comes to mind
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Lundestrom hasn’t been ruined, there’s absolutely nothing hinting that he had more potential than he’s living up to - he’s entirely fine. This is such a weird guy to point to.
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Yeah, Lundeström has easily surpassed what I thought his ceiling was.
I had tickets to the Ducks-Knights game in Vegas and was so bummed he wasn't going to make his debut. Now I'm so bummed that his debut isn't a weekend game cause if it was I 100% would've made the trip to Anaheim to watch live. Ah well. Still happy his injury wasn't too serious.
Well two things to discuss here.
Yes I think you're right that Fantilli was hoping to go second overall. They showed extended behind the scenes cut of this year's draft, can't remember where but when Anaheim announced Carlsson at 2nd overall they show Fantilli make a facial expression of pretty clear disappointment. There's a pre-draft interview where Fantilli said his ideal destination was Columbus but I think he must have had some excitement on the prospect of joining Anaheim's talented youth core as well.
But really, the Fantilli stuff should hopefully be put to bed soon. Anaheim and Columbus had the fortune of getting first overall quality players as consolation for losing out on Bedard. I still see a bunch of Ducks fans on Twitter who are miserable that Leo was selected over Fantilli and the jury is still out on who the better player will be, but Madden and Verbeek's selection should make complete sense to anyone who paid attention to Anaheim' rookie tourney nd training camp. While Leo has some developing to do, it should be immediately apparent to anyone experienced watching hockey that he has an enviable blend of skill, strength, skating power, size, and most importantly sky-high hockey IQ. The more I've watched him play the more excited I've gotten to watch his development.
As to your point about Lundestrom, I'll join the others in vehemently disagreeing that the Ducks have "ruined" Isac Lundestrom. Lundestrom is a fine two way third line center which is a perfectly good result of a late first round pick. Anyone expecting him to be a sleeper second of first line offensive dynamo was kidding themselves. In Carlsson's case, enough elements of his game are NHL ready that I don't see the danger of having him start his NHL career right now. The only area of his game that really needs work is adapting his timing to the pace and space of the NHL game and the North American ice surface.
That's not going to happen playing another year in Sweden. That isn't to say Leo can't refine his talents in the SHL but he's already this close to making big strides in his development that he really needs to be acclimated to playing on North American ice sooner rather than later. Whether the right call was to develop him in the NHL rather than the AHL remains to be seen, but I think sending him back to Sweden would delay the development of his biggest current area needing improvement.
Edit: found the video. It's a great behind the scenes watch overall but the Anaheim pick segment starts at 27:46. It's a brief shot but Fantilli looked disappointed to me.
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Zegs2sendhelp
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Excited to see how he looks….
Zegras carlsson terry line looked fun for the little time they played together in preseason
Big concern is all 3 seem like guys that are better with puck on their stick
Zegras carlsson terry line looked fun for the little time they played together in preseason
Big concern is all 3 seem like guys that are better with puck on their stick
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I'd try Henrique/Carlsson/Terry 2nd line as Henrique had worked well with Terry before and Carlsson works well with Terry. An Zegras/McTavish/Vatrano top line.
At least you can count on Leo to hand it off when the time is right. Zegras is likely to pass when he sees a golden opportunity. Terry is the guy who holds and holds and holds.
Someone has to be a shooter on that line, hopefully it's Terry. Terry needs to be better, he holds onto the puck too long, either loses it or not much comes from it.
Carlsson has that IQ like Getz did, maybe even better, and we know how well Terry did next to someone like Getzlaf, add Zegras to that line as well. He should be shooting anytime he gets the puck, not trying to pass it back.
Agreed on Terry. Like, when he broke out it was amazing how much he grew to be more confident with the puck and navigating through traffic and contact, but it's gotten to a point where he does it so long he's passing up opportunities to develop plays as a team that may have been there but for his puck hogging. That's not to say he's not as talented as we all know he is and a key component of Anaheim's offense but he could use adjustments.
With Leo, I agree. I'd say it looks like their IQ and vision are very similar if not identical. The difference is Leo has a bigger tendency to do skilled stick handles in tight to drive the play, while Getzlaf was, ironically a little more like Terry in that he would hold the puck for a long time to find opportunities. The difference there was Getzlaf used his size and strength to back defenders off so he would use the space created to exploit openings while Terry roves around with the puck looking for an opportunity to open up.
Leo has the size and strength that will only improve. If he can find a way to emulate Getzlaf's ability to use those assets to create space for himself, he's going to be a very dangerous player.
I think once Leo fully grows into his body, he's going to be able to do what Getzlaf did to protect the puck or knock someone off it,
But yeah going back to Terry, you have two skilled players on your line, let them carry the play and get set up for a goal. Carlsson isn't a goal scorer, Zegras can be, but Terry is the best option to take the shot with Zegras being 2nd. But I also see Leo crashing around the net to get to those rebounds, he does it so well.
This line could be a disaster if they don't feed off each-other's strengths, or can be one of the best lines Anaheim has seen if they do. We saw it in preseason, and they had immediate chemistry, shocked they didn't score.
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Which former 1st rounders have the Ducks ruined by rushing them? Can't think of any in the last 10+ years.
Yeah that line looks great for Anaheim but I'm specifically interested in the Carlsson-Zegras connection. If it works, and continues to work, then I guess Zegras will develop from here as a winger long term for the Ducks.
Zegs2sendhelp
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Hes actually been pretty solid in the faceoff department this year so far (and hes been working hard in the dzone )... but ya i think moving him to wing makes sense with Carlsson - McTavish - Lundestrom - Gaucher/Groulx down the middle.
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Lundestrom,Tchistov,Smirnov,Tverdovsky, and I don't think Steel,Jones,Perreault, were/are being handled properly...Larsson was a flop and their best D-men Lindholm and Theodore were given away
Can't really speak for all the Russians since I wasn't as involved a fan back then, but Steel was handled with all the patience in the world and he couldn't put it together in spite of ample opportunities from the Ducks. I'd love to hear where Anaheim went wrong with him and how they could have been better.
Same goes with Jones and Perreault. How exactly are Anaheim improperly handling them? Jones hasn't had the talent needed to be more than what he is: a solid middle 6 grinder with occasional offensive contribution. Perreault is given the chance to cook in the AHL and hasn't been progressing as anticipated. Maybe you could make the argument San Diego hasn't been fostering his development enough but I'd love to hear what insight you have in such matters other than vomiting a name out to make an empty point.
The last paragraph has nothing to do with Anaheim's tendency (or lack thereof) to mishandle/rush their prospects. They're evidence of prospects who developed well in the organization.
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This is so misguided. You can't equate a prospect not working out with him being mishandled by his organization. Larsson, for example, was given chance after chance to contribute to the NHL roster but the simple fact is that the guy just sucks. Lundestrom, upon whom you base your thesis statement, has been injured. Is that mismanagement or chance? And if you're still holding grudges about guys like Stan Chistov and Oleg Tverdovsky, who were Ducks under the Disney regime, it's time to move on.
Let's deal with today. The players picked immediately before and immediately after Carlsson are in the league today. Are they being rushed? Are their teams mishandling them? I think the bottom line here is that you're a Kings fan who feels threatened by Anaheim's young talent. As well you should.
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One of Leo, Zegras or McTavish has to go to the wing, and it definitely isn't Leo. Both Mac and Z have looked best at center IMO, so definitely will be interesting to see how that unfolds. I think there will be pairings amongst the top 6 of like a Leo-Terry and Z-Mac, but who knows, I think it's between Z and Mac with who moves to the wing.
