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C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

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Rooch said:
Carlsson again looked very good in last night's game against LA. At times he seemed bored playing with and against mostly AHL-level talent. Can't see how Anaheim will be able to keep him off the NHL team.
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That Leo to De Leo pass off the face off was pretty brilliant. But showed why De Leo is an AHL’er, he is not on the same level as Carlsson. Someone posted he won 10 out of 16 face offs last night, and was taking defensive face offs as well. It’s nice when he is able to win them and get his line on the attack even in the defensive zone instead of being pinned in his own zone. This is one of the reasons why I think he will be the Ducks 1C over Zegras in 1-2 years.
 
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It's clear there is no way he is going back to Sweden. He is either getting some time to cook in the AHL or will be in the NHL from the start.

It is so clear what the Ducks saw in him that made them value him over Fantilli. He makes everyone around him better and I genuinely think he is a darkhorse for the Calder if he actually gets the Ducks #1 center spot with Terry and Killorn.

I love Fantilli and think he would have been a perfect fit to play with Zegras but damn, if Carlsson was the more raw unfinished talent and he looks this good already...
 
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Gliff said:
It's clear there is no way he is going back to Sweden. He is either getting some time to cook in the AHL or will be in the NHL from the start.

It is so clear what the Ducks saw in him that made them value him over Fantilli. He makes everyone around him better and I genuinely think he is a darkhorse for the Calder if he actually gets the Ducks #1 center spot with Terry and Killorn.

I love Fantilli and think he would have been a perfect fit to play with Zegras but damn, if Carlsson was the more raw unfinished talent and he looks this good already...
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I don't think he will be close to winning the Calder. Super strong bunch this year and Carlssons usual PP spot on the right side is already filled by Zegras and McTavish usually in that spot. So he will have a lot of diversity, but I really think he has a decent chance to turn some heads regardless.

PS
In yesterdays game coach said they had a full practice before the game, so they were gassed.
 
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If the Ducks were this high on him and he continues to deliver, you gotta think it emboldens Verbeek to an extent with Zegras. Prob don’t want to pay a guy like your 1C if you think Carlsson and MacTavish will be the better players- and better to give them the reps now, no?

Curious to see how that plays out and who ends up on the wing.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
If the Ducks were this high on him and he continues to deliver, you gotta think it emboldens Verbeek to an extent with Zegras. Prob don’t want to pay a guy like your 1C if you think Carlsson and MacTavish will be the better players- and better to give them the reps now, no?

Curious to see how that plays out and who ends up on the wing.
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Verbeek has been on record saying he believes Carlsson and McTavish will be the Ducks 1-2 punch down the middle and thinks Zegras will be the one to move to wing. I think this really has put a monkey wrench in things with Zegras contract negotiations. Why pay Zegras 1C money when he may not even be a Top 6C for the Ducks moving forward.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
If the Ducks were this high on him and he continues to deliver, you gotta think it emboldens Verbeek to an extent with Zegras. Prob don’t want to pay a guy like your 1C if you think Carlsson and MacTavish will be the better players- and better to give them the reps now, no?

Curious to see how that plays out and who ends up on the wing.
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Leonardo87 said:
Verbeek has been on record saying he believes Carlsson and McTavish will be the Ducks 1-2 punch down the middle and thinks Zegras will be the one to move to wing. I think this really has put a monkey wrench in things with Zegras contract negotiations. Why pay Zegras 1C money when he may not even be a Top 6C for the Ducks moving forward.
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That's what is not really talked about with both Z and Drysdale's negotiation, as well as these contracts setting future precedent for a newer management group. If they pay those two out the ass just because they have cap space, what the hell are they going to have to pay Mac, Carlsson, Zell, Minty, etc. if they produce better than that in those years?
 
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Gliff said:
It's clear there is no way he is going back to Sweden. He is either getting some time to cook in the AHL or will be in the NHL from the start.

It is so clear what the Ducks saw in him that made them value him over Fantilli. He makes everyone around him better and I genuinely think he is a darkhorse for the Calder if he actually gets the Ducks #1 center spot with Terry and Killorn.

I love Fantilli and think he would have been a perfect fit to play with Zegras but damn, if Carlsson was the more raw unfinished talent and he looks this good already...
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Best way to put it. I don't know how Fantilli's been in that regard with Columbus, but it's been so obvious that Carlsson's been dangerous in his own right while creating dangerous chances for guys who wouldn't otherwise be involved in the kind of chances Carlsson was creating for them. All I'd add is he plays such a grown up game and is so strong on his skates that he can absolutely handle the NHL right now. Where his production might land through an 18 year old rookie campaign with some work to do adjusting to smaller ice is anyone's guess but he's a special prospect, well worthy of the second overall selection and very clearly the best forward prospect the Ducks have drafted in a long long time. And that's with no disrespect to Zegras.
 
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Fantilli is a great prospect, but I like centres who are pass-first. I think it's just easier to build around that type of player.

The Ducks current situation is a great example of it, if they had taken Fantilli and are dealing with a Zegras holdout, who are you gonna pair him with as his setup man?
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
If the Ducks were this high on him and he continues to deliver, you gotta think it emboldens Verbeek to an extent with Zegras. Prob don’t want to pay a guy like your 1C if you think Carlsson and MacTavish will be the better players- and better to give them the reps now, no?

Curious to see how that plays out and who ends up on the wing.
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McTavish will never be a better player than Zegras.
 
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Boss Man Hughes said:
McTavish will never be a better player than Zegras.
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Some people (like myself) define 'better' as 'more important to winning'

In which case I think there's a good chance McTavish will be better, especially in the playoffs. With Carlsson, I think Zegras is a long-term winger on the Ducks, which will be valuable in its own right.

Or maybe they pair him with one of their high potential D for a true number 1 once those guys come of age. Not sure any of them have that 'workhorse' potential, but I haven't seen much of Mintyukov
 
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Freaky Styley said:
Some people (like myself) define 'better' as 'more important to winning'

In which case I think there's a good chance McTavish will be better, especially in the playoffs. With Carlsson, I think Zegras is a long-term winger on the Ducks, which will be valuable in its own right.

Or maybe they pair him with one of their high potential D for a true number 1 once those guys come of age. Not sure any of them have that 'workhorse' potential, but I haven't seen much of Mintyukov
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Minty and Luneau both have true #1 potential. I would say Zellweger but I doubt you want him clearing a crease on the PK.

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I meant point producer. Zegras should put up more points. McTavish playing a power game may be more valuable in the playoffs .
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I figured, and you’re likely right, but I wouldn’t guarantee anything. McTavish has a ton of potential and had a good rookie year on a historically bad team. He has been elite at every level.
 
He has stood out defensively. Offensively he has not done much, outside of some really flashy plays. It could be because many reasons – Cronin is training them heavy and I think our team plays games a bit gassed; there's no synergy yet in our offense as a whole (new coach); he hasn't been always put with the best teammates (Bedard is probably not as well tho). I was hoping to see a bit more from him, but I cannot say he's disappointing as well. The tools are there, our team is not yet :laugh:
I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him in San Diego at some points though.



 
I haven't seen Carlsson this pre-season but I thought he should probably play another year in Sweden to get things going for him. I have little doubt he can handle a shift in the NHL, though. He's a special player so im not too worried about his development even if he plays limited minutes in the NHL.
 
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What are Ducks fans putting his odds at for staying the full season? I know Killer's injury probably changes the answer a bit, but just curious.
 
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