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C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

Kevin Musto said:
What's the consensus on Carlsson's speed?

His top end speed appears to be as fast as Dylan Strome.

He negates this in two ways:

1) He's so strong on the puck so he bodies his way past defenders. In the NHL defenders are stronger and faster.

2) He's a great stickhandler. In the NHL there is far less time and space to pull off these moves.

So does this become a problem at the next level? I'm fully confident he'll be a middle sixer at worst, but does this prevent him from becoming elite?
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There's some technical shortcomings but I don't think there's much of a problem with his top speed. And I think he looks like he'll get faster as he gets stronger.

He has a bit of an awkward stride - stands a bit too high and with too little ankle flexion (I'm copying David St. Louis here). That will limit his agility somewhat. But funny enough he still has that ability to dance right through opponents because his hands are more than good enough to make up for the lack of agility in his feet. Will it stay that way in the NHL? My guess is actually yes.
 
Kevin Musto said:
What's the consensus on Carlsson's speed?

His top end speed appears to be as fast as Dylan Strome.

He negates this in two ways:

1) He's so strong on the puck so he bodies his way past defenders. In the NHL defenders are stronger and faster.

2) He's a great stickhandler. In the NHL there is far less time and space to pull off these moves.

So does this become a problem at the next level? I'm fully confident he'll be a middle sixer at worst, but does this prevent him from becoming elite?
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Carlsson’s top-speed is actually quite good for his size, but his quickness could use some improvement. His stride is very long, which makes him look slower than he really is.

There are a lot of top-end players with comparable or worse speed than Carlsson. Joe Thornton, just as an example.
 
Juxtaposer said:
Carlsson’s top-speed is actually quite good for his size, but his quickness could use some improvement. His stride is very long, which makes him look slower than he really is.
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This fits with what I saw at the WJC.

The way he moves around the ice reminds me of Laine.
 
Kevin Musto said:
What's the consensus on Carlsson's speed?

His top end speed appears to be as fast as Dylan Strome.

He negates this in two ways:

1) He's so strong on the puck so he bodies his way past defenders. In the NHL defenders are stronger and faster.

2) He's a great stickhandler. In the NHL there is far less time and space to pull off these moves.

So does this become a problem at the next level? I'm fully confident he'll be a middle sixer at worst, but does this prevent him from becoming elite?
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He's faster than Strome and much more agile. And I wouldn't be worried about his dangles not translating to the NHL. The kid is excellent at protecting the puck either by leveraging his frame, reach or through stickhandling.

His skillset is not a problem at the next level. What he's doing in probably the 2nd best league in the world is awesome and I think he's going to be a point per game or better player at the next level.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
He's faster than Strome and much more agile. And I wouldn't be worried about his dangles not translating to the NHL. The kid is excellent at protecting the puck either by leveraging his frame, reach or through stickhandling.

His skillset is not a problem at the next level. What he's doing in probably the 2nd best league in the world is awesome and I think he's going to be a point per game or better player at the next level.
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nah, man. carlsson's risk just isn't worth the reward. i wouldn't take him inside the top five unless detroit lotteries up into that range. really, he shouldn't get taken before detroit regardless of where the red wings pick.
 
Kevin Musto said:
What's the consensus on Carlsson's speed?

His top end speed appears to be as fast as Dylan Strome.

He negates this in two ways:

1) He's so strong on the puck so he bodies his way past defenders. In the NHL defenders are stronger and faster.

2) He's a great stickhandler. In the NHL there is far less time and space to pull off these moves.

So does this become a problem at the next level? I'm fully confident he'll be a middle sixer at worst, but does this prevent him from becoming elite?
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His skating reminds me a lot of Matthews.
 
No doubt his skills will translate his hands, IQ, are elite and throw in his size, I think most if not all teams are gonna have him at 2.
 
what do you think could make him fall? a weak world juniors showcase? How good is this kid anyways?
 
Osakahaus said:
what do you think could make him fall? a weak world juniors showcase? How good is this kid anyways?
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If you’re referring to the U20, it already happened and it wasn’t weak. If you’re referring to the U18, Carlsson has already aged out.
 
Juxtaposer said:
If you’re referring to the U20, it already happened and it wasn’t weak. If you’re referring to the U18, Carlsson has already aged out.
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i was referring to the U20's and thank you

besides that, I still couldn't catch most of team swedens games this go around.
 
simonedvinsson said:
nah, man. carlsson's risk just isn't worth the reward. i wouldn't take him inside the top five unless detroit lotteries up into that range. really, he shouldn't get taken before detroit regardless of where the red wings pick.
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Yeah, it'd be just like the Wings to pick some overhyped Euro that rightfully fell come draft day. Leo is another Zadina...
 
At this exact moment I have him a hair over Fantilli personally but it's so close if you ask me in a couple weeks I might change my mind.
 
bsu said:
At this exact moment I have him a hair over Fantilli personally but it's so close if you ask me in a couple weeks I might change my mind.
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To me this looks like a Jeremy Roenick (Fantilli) level center (elite tools, skating, plays with grit and tenacious as hell but not elite IQ)

Vs.
Mats Sundin (Carlsson) level center. (Elite IQ, elite physical tools but not elite skating)

Both will be likely be top line guys. Both will very likely be all stars and big names in this league for a long time. Whatever GM picks them builds around them.

I don’t think you go wrong with either one.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
To me this looks like a Jeremy Roenick (Fantilli) level center (elite tools, skating, plays with grit and tenacious as hell but not elite IQ)

Vs.
Mats Sundin (Carlsson) level center. (Elite IQ, elite physical tools but not elite skating)

Both will be likely be top line guys. Both will very likely be all stars and big names in this league for a long time. Whatever GM picks them builds around them.

I don’t think you go wrong with either one.
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I won't complain about either. If we don't get Bedard I'll be a little bummed but not for long.
 
Kevin Musto said:
What's the consensus on Carlsson's speed?

His top end speed appears to be as fast as Dylan Strome.

He negates this in two ways:

1) He's so strong on the puck so he bodies his way past defenders. In the NHL defenders are stronger and faster.

2) He's a great stickhandler. In the NHL there is far less time and space to pull off these moves.

So does this become a problem at the next level? I'm fully confident he'll be a middle sixer at worst, but does this prevent him from becoming elite?
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It’s a legitimate concern. He’s definitely improved his skating over where he was last season though; he was basically a one touch/along the boards guy in the SHL
majormajor said:
There's some technical shortcomings but I don't think there's much of a problem with his top speed. And I think he looks like he'll get faster as he gets stronger.

He has a bit of an awkward stride - stands a bit too high and with too little ankle flexion (I'm copying David St. Louis here). That will limit his agility somewhat. But funny enough he still has that ability to dance right through opponents because his hands are more than good enough to make up for the lack of agility in his feet. Will it stay that way in the NHL? My guess is actually yes.
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the “stands too high”/lack of ankle bend issue can often be fixed by improving lower body strength. I know an offseason living inside a squat rack massively improved that issue for me back in my downhill ski racing days
 
Healthy scratched yesterday. However I wouldn't say it's because of Leo's play, his linemates, & ice time have been less than ideal. Örebro lost the game 5-1.

Not only has he played solely on the 4th line since returning from the WJCs, he has done it on the wing, centered by Milton Oscarson. Still put up 3p in 5gp.

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We've seen in his performance during this period that he hasn't really had that fire and energy that's typical for Leo. He normally plays with some energy and creativity, and now it has looked sluggish. And that's not weird. It has been an amazing season for Leo, in many ways.
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Which is quite a dumb assessment when you play him with that ice time and put him on a line that won't utilize his best qualities(like his creativity). Or as Leo puts it himself, he has played more "brunkarhockey"(grinder hockey) since coming home.
 
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