And the KHL is producing so many stars. I can think of 3 star players in its entire existence that it has produced (Tarasenko, Kuznetsov and Panarin). 2 of those people were good enough to get actual minutes in the KHL at 18, which it is unclear the Rubstov will. It has to do with controlling developmental situations. I don't think the North American route hurt Kucherov too much.Easy with the drama, guys. No reason to judge a 18 year old on his first couple of games in the KHL, even less reason to accuse a team of something because they introduce German to men's hockey carefully didn't give him 20 minutes on his first 2 professional games
You're talking nonsense and you know it. As was repeatedly proven, not one NA hockey league has a track record for developing Russians nearly as good as the KHL system, "getting minutes" against inferior teenagers under some cat in the bag coach has nothing against training and playing with professionals, and the NHL teams don't bring players to the NA for any kind of development, they just want the players to be under their control. They can't be a quick call-up from under contract overseas, and it requires effort to track the player's progress, that's it.
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But Kucherov is this good despite his development in North America. Think of how good he would be if he developed in Russia
But Kucherov is this good despite his development in North America. Think of how good he would be if he developed in Russia
People fall into this trap every time. Kucherov developed in Russia. And yes, he would e a better player possibly if he stayed in Russia for anoher year.
Why do people think they know better than actual hockey coaches? It's up to Vityaz staff to decide. Right now he is getting eased into the lineup. Let him at least get a sniff of 5-7 games in the KHL. If he struggles, then it might be better for him to get more ice time in the MHL or VHL. He might also easily find his pace and become a regular in the KHL with proper minutes. But I guess his coaches have way more insight.
Rubstov sees 5 miin of ice in KHL game, CDN poster breaks out the Kucherov is product of CHL theory... Gets support from other posters who sarcastically mock posters who are 1000 x more informed on the situation 
Need a sticky on every Russia prospect thread with basic facts and Kucherov theory debunk.
BTW Rubstov was told by his friends Artemov, Mikulovich, Boblyev (got drafted then GTFO) not to go anywhere near CHL.
Need a sticky on every Russia prospect thread with basic facts and Kucherov theory debunk.
BTW Rubstov was told by his friends Artemov, Mikulovich, Boblyev (got drafted then GTFO) not to go anywhere near CHL.
Nithoniniel
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Very few 18 year olds even get the chance in KHL, so hard to hold that against him. As for development, obviously getting extremely limited minutes is bad for your development regardless of which league it is, but there's really no reason to jump to any conclusions based on a few games. If they are in fact easing him in and he'll see 12-15 minutes of ice time in time, that can only be great for his development.
Hehe, Nikita Gusev has 14.33 TOI averagely in 6 games played, and he's a legit KHL star with 7 points scored.
EdmFlyersfan
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After a couple games of assessments by HF posters, I wonder if he still holds enough value for Hextall to trade him for a 2017 5th round pick?
kp61c
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he plays for a stacked team and is surround by much better players than rubtsov. so his point production shouldn't be taken at face value and it's inappropriate to compare his stats with those of vityaz players, for example
Rubstov sees 5 miin of ice in KHL game, CDN poster breaks out the Kucherov is product of CHL theory... Gets support from other posters who sarcastically mock posters who are 1000 x more informed on the situation
Need a sticky on every Russia prospect thread with basic facts and Kucherov theory debunk.
BTW Rubstov was told by his friends Artemov, Mikulovich, Boblyev (got drafted then GTFO) not to go anywhere near CHL.
I actually don't care where they develop. I think the KHL might be the best place just for the fact that they are accustomed to Russia, and moving to North America is a big jump. I'd also prefer studs (Like Keller, Eichel, etc.) to go NCAA route than CHL. No sense in padding stats against 16 year olds in the CHL. I think it is better to have to learn against older players in the NCAA, AHL, or KHL, than to go CHL and have your first big learning experience in the NHL.
BobbyClarkeFan16
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Provorov was developed in North America. I honestly don't know if he would have become the defenseman he is if he stayed and played in the KHL.
As for Rubtsov, if there's any problems with his development, you can bet that Hextall and everyone involved will find a way to get him out of his contract in the KHL and get him over to North America. I'm not going to fret over an 18 year old only getting 15 minutes of ice time over two games. The KHL is known for being a tough league for an 18 year old to crack.
As for Rubtsov, if there's any problems with his development, you can bet that Hextall and everyone involved will find a way to get him out of his contract in the KHL and get him over to North America. I'm not going to fret over an 18 year old only getting 15 minutes of ice time over two games. The KHL is known for being a tough league for an 18 year old to crack.
CanuckistanFlyerfan
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There's a reason the CHL produces more NHLers than any other league. Maybe some Russians have a tough time with the culture shock...but Provorov looks like the best Russian Dman in....forever.
I'd prefer studs (like Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Messier, Lafleur, Clarke, Yzerman, Crosby, McDavid, Kane, Benn, Doughty, Hall, Seguin, Subban, Bergeron, Tavares, Giroux, Ekblad, Strome, Reinhart, Dubois, Marner, Draisaitl, Juolevi, Tkachuk, Nylander, Sergachev, Bennett, Zacha, Monhan, Provorov etc. etc. etc. etc.) play against guys who want to play in the NHL than pad their stats against dentists, lawyers and video game inventors.
Damn, that team. At this point in time, 6 forwards and a defenseman are above 1 PPG.
Looks like they aren't missing Panarin very much.
However, that doesn't mean that Gusev isn't good. Last season he already was above 1 PPG and he's still young.
To be honest, I feel like KHL develops many good players at a slower pace. However, at that point when they are 22-24 years old or so, it makes more sense to them to keep playing in KHL than to go to NHL. If more players actually went for NHL I'm sure we'd see many more high level Russian NHL players.
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LastWordArmy
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Its not a conspiracy.
Its about playing time.
Kids learn more playing 20 minutes in the AHL, than sitting on a bench in the KHL and getting 5 shifts.
There is no replacement for ice time during the development process.
Kids learn how to play bad hockey too in the AHL.
The problem is AHL has less alternatives to offer. Being in the MHL/VHL/KHL system a a player can be sent up and down on a daily basis. ending up in the AHL he is stuck there. there is no junior league alternative and rushing a player into the NHL might be not a good decision.
MHL/VHL/KHL offer the most flexibility for development.
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He only played ~8:30 today (partially due to a bit of a parade to the penalty box) but was really pretty good in those minutes.
Twice got completely free of his Dman from the blue-line in (both times with his first two steps of acceleration) but one pass went in-front of him, another was a shot he could not tip... and another time raced round the outside of a Dman on the LW to feed just through the crease. Also made two nice defensive plays.
His linemates and Dmen were generally looking for him to transition the puck too... he must have been given it ~80% of the time coming out of the zone.
He got schooled on the draw a few times... but that is pretty much what happens to 90% of young centres.
For me it is really nice to see that his skating is still a big + even in the 2nd best league on earth... I mean, there was not much doubt but still nice to have it confirmed! Acceleration and balance especially looked amongst the best of any player on ice.
Another thing I thought was funny today was that in the Dzone on one shift he was marshalling the Dmen and telling them where they needed to be, nice to see that confidence from a guy who just turned 18 a few months ago.
Twice got completely free of his Dman from the blue-line in (both times with his first two steps of acceleration) but one pass went in-front of him, another was a shot he could not tip... and another time raced round the outside of a Dman on the LW to feed just through the crease. Also made two nice defensive plays.
His linemates and Dmen were generally looking for him to transition the puck too... he must have been given it ~80% of the time coming out of the zone.
He got schooled on the draw a few times... but that is pretty much what happens to 90% of young centres.
For me it is really nice to see that his skating is still a big + even in the 2nd best league on earth... I mean, there was not much doubt but still nice to have it confirmed! Acceleration and balance especially looked amongst the best of any player on ice.
Another thing I thought was funny today was that in the Dzone on one shift he was marshalling the Dmen and telling them where they needed to be, nice to see that confidence from a guy who just turned 18 a few months ago.
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Let's not dumb down this discussion any further. This conversation is not about the CHL being bad. It's about the pros and cons of transitioning to a new culture and league at a crucial point of one's development.
Provorov is a very unique case. He immigrated to North America at around 14/15. His situation is not normal.
Don't know why people are freaking out about Rubtsov playing 8 min a game anyways. This is a normal situation, his first 2 KHL games he will not be playing 15 minutes a game. Wait until some injuries happen + gradually near the end of the season he will get trusted with ice time more if he does well. If he is good then as early as next season he could be seeing a regular shift. Its called gradual progression not from zero to hero. Lets not forget that the KHL is a very high caliber league, no 18 year old is going to step in and become a star. If that was the case that wouldnt be saying much for the league. Even in the AHL 18 years olds dont get much ice time especially in the beginning. I suggest if you know nothing about KHL just pretend he doesn't exist for a couple years, check up on him when he's 21 you'll see everything will be ok.
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Dumb down?
Thought I'd mentioned the part about culture shock. Oh, wait a minute....
Anyway, my post was directed at the ignorance of the CHL being a 16 year olds league.
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