C German Rubtsov (2016, 22nd, PHI)
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no, would have been ruined like countless of players before him. if he's not getting enough time in the khl, they should put him in the vhl. na leagues are cancer for russian players.
true. i don't see him in the khl this season. just not that good.
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At least you waited more than one game before using overwhelming evidence to make that assessment.
Oh, sorry, you didn't.
Totally disagree with this for this player. You have to put some context into the kids game. Yeah he played 5 shifts, but he also was the one responsible/taken to school by Budrasov (who scored goal 2, which created a big hill for Vityaz, which forced them to play veterans to try and overcome that hurdle). I mean the kid took a bad penalty, Vityaz kills it off, and then he basically gets out-experienced to the puck and lets his man score. He was literally surprised (and then sort of lost an edge) when he saw Budrasov take the outside for a pass. It was a good learning lesson for him. He's got to come back and take it in stride like a professional, and try to learn from his mistakes. There aren't a lot of good veterans on Vityaz...I mean they ride ROMAN HORAK and someone you all probably thought retired MAXIM AFINOGENOV! I think he's going to get regular shifts, he's too talented, but these things take time. The KHL isn't just a development league for the NHL, and Vityaz needs to put on a decent show for its fans. This year isn't going to be about scoring points, it's going to be about surviving in a men's league.
These conclusions after his 1st KHL game are priceless.
Well, he was fighting for the roster place in the preseason, and it looks like he didn't impress the coach. I mean, young players must fight like mad in preseason games, but he just wasn't ready for this. It's not just one game.
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Good post. And I think people tend to forget about that bolded part. Only without 'not just'. It's not a development league at all.
Don't forget that he had to go to U20 tournament in the middle of preseason which kinda undermined his chances for the roster place a bit. And he did fight. Literally
Which is why NHL teams tend to like bringing players over to put them into developmental leagues where they can guarantee these players get minutes, which many on this forum are opposed to.
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You should probably wonder why working hard to get a spot in the NHL spending years in the minors in NA is okay for most ppl here, but if a 18y.o. isn't geting minutes just for a nice smile in the KHL it's the great conspiracy, the recipe for a bust or whatever?
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In the end, he wanted to come over but has the contract.
Hopefully he gets enough minutes to keep his development on track if he stays in the KHL. Playing and practicing against men is a big step up. I won't be surprised if he splits time in the MHL and KHL.
Hopefully he gets enough minutes to keep his development on track if he stays in the KHL. Playing and practicing against men is a big step up. I won't be surprised if he splits time in the MHL and KHL.
Don't forget that he had to go to U20 tournament in the middle of preseason which kinda undermined his chances for the roster place a bit. And he did fight. Literally
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Well, KHL money is a little bit different, than CHL one (or even AHL and even on Vityaz, which isn't the richest KHL club), so I think he got exactly what he wanted.
Depends on what he is getting in Russia, or if he was going to the CHL or AHL. No matter what he would have gotten his signing bonus, which would be close to 100g's. If he was in the AHL, he'd probably earn another 70 to 100 on top of that. Plus there is the off chance if he was in the AHL that he performs well and earns a call-up like Pastrnak which would burn an ELC year, plus game-checks for each game up (which would be close to 11k per game played).
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Was he healthy scratched the first two games or did he miss the first two games because he was playing for the Russian U-20 team?
KHL is the best league for his development. He should stay in Russia, if he's going to be playing every game on the 2nd or 3rd line. He's good enough to play in the middle 6 for Vityaz this season. They aren't a good team. It's not like he's playing for SKA or CSKA. This season he should be able to do a good job for Vityaz playing 13 or 14 minutes per game. If he does well, he moves up, and plays more.
Anything less than that, and Vityaz is not giving him deserved ice time. They aren't making the playoffs anyway. What's the problem with giving 9th forward minutes to Rubtsov over some bad KHL forward who would've gotten those minutes if Rubtsov didn't? If they stick to that type of developmental track for Rubtsov, they could have a very good young center for the next three or four seasons. Kuznetsov spent three seasons in the KHL after his draft year before coming to the NHL. Tarasenko three. Buchnevich three. Panarin five. Kaprizov will likely spend between 3 and 5 seasons as well in the KHL. If Vityaz is willing to play an 18 year old kid this season in their top 9, it should eventually work out well for the player and the team. If Rubtsov becomes as good as those types of players were, he should be Vityaz's best player within two or three seasons.
If they choose to only play him a few minutes per game, scratch him half the games, bench him because he makes mistakes, they'll most likely lose their system's most talented prospect to NA after one season, like what happened with Guryanov at Lada Togliatti. Vityaz should take advantage of having Rubtsov right now. When would they otherwise get that type of talent to join their team? Maybe Rubtsov will even be good enough to carry them to the playoffs in a few seasons.
KHL is the best league for his development. He should stay in Russia, if he's going to be playing every game on the 2nd or 3rd line. He's good enough to play in the middle 6 for Vityaz this season. They aren't a good team. It's not like he's playing for SKA or CSKA. This season he should be able to do a good job for Vityaz playing 13 or 14 minutes per game. If he does well, he moves up, and plays more.
Anything less than that, and Vityaz is not giving him deserved ice time. They aren't making the playoffs anyway. What's the problem with giving 9th forward minutes to Rubtsov over some bad KHL forward who would've gotten those minutes if Rubtsov didn't? If they stick to that type of developmental track for Rubtsov, they could have a very good young center for the next three or four seasons. Kuznetsov spent three seasons in the KHL after his draft year before coming to the NHL. Tarasenko three. Buchnevich three. Panarin five. Kaprizov will likely spend between 3 and 5 seasons as well in the KHL. If Vityaz is willing to play an 18 year old kid this season in their top 9, it should eventually work out well for the player and the team. If Rubtsov becomes as good as those types of players were, he should be Vityaz's best player within two or three seasons.
If they choose to only play him a few minutes per game, scratch him half the games, bench him because he makes mistakes, they'll most likely lose their system's most talented prospect to NA after one season, like what happened with Guryanov at Lada Togliatti. Vityaz should take advantage of having Rubtsov right now. When would they otherwise get that type of talent to join their team? Maybe Rubtsov will even be good enough to carry them to the playoffs in a few seasons.
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Easy with the drama, guys. No reason to judge a 18 year old on his first couple of games in the KHL, even less reason to accuse a team of something because they introduce German to men's hockey carefully didn't give him 20 minutes on his first 2 professional games
You're talking nonsense and you know it. As was repeatedly proven, not one NA hockey league has a track record for developing Russians nearly as good as the KHL system, "getting minutes" against inferior teenagers under some cat in the bag coach has nothing against training and playing with professionals, and the NHL teams don't bring players to the NA for any kind of development, they just want the players to be under their control. They can't be a quick call-up from under contract overseas, and it requires effort to track the player's progress, that's it.
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