C German Rubtsov (2016, 22nd, PHI)

[Kshahdoo]

How good will he look in the KHL, I wonder... Guryanov was picked #12 and looked terrible. Kaprizov was picked #135 and looked great...

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

Sam Carchidi a Philly writer was critical of the pick - something about yet another "2-way forward" and lamenting that they passed on Bellows. He may wind up being right, and Bellows could have a better hockey career than Rubtsov when it's all said and done. But I'm with Hextall on this one. He has made some mistakes but has largely been very good at listening to the right advice and selecting the right players. Sam on the other hand is a good reporter. He reports what happens in an entertaining way, and covers the Flyers just fine but knows less about the game than the average 14 year old from the suburbs of Toronto.

I was yelling at my LapTop when the Flyers didn't select Bellows and traded the pick. But Hextall exchanged the option of Bellows not only for Rubtsov but Rubtsov and Laberge !!!

This is a big difference I never expect from Carchidi to recognize. They both could end up easily with longtime NHL careers in the Flyers top-6.

 

[Gsus]

I was yelling at my LapTop when the Flyers didn't select Bellows and traded the pick. But Hextall exchanged the option of Bellows not only for Rubtsov but Rubtsov and Laberge !!!

This is a big difference I never expect from Carchidi to recognize. They both could end up easily with longtime NHL careers in the Flyers top-6.

This is actually the thing most of the peeps miss. Yesterday I thought about 'what if' the Flyers just would've gone with Bellows and he could play as soon as next year in Giroux's wing if everything goes perfectly. If Rubtsov played in U18's, he would've gone in TOP15 for sure.

Rubtsov + Laberge >> Bellows.

 

[Caser]

This is actually the thing most of the peeps miss. Yesterday I thought about 'what if' the Flyers just would've gone with Bellows and he could play as soon as next year in Giroux's wing if everything goes perfectly. If Rubtsov played in U18's, he would've gone in TOP15 for sure.

Rubtsov + Laberge >> Bellows.

Actually I can more or less agree with that: if Rubtsov would just repeat his WJAC performance at the U18's (and I actually would expect Rubtsov to be in even better form there), I could easily imagine him being in the conversation for the Top 12-15 positions.

 

[Striiker]

Sam Carchidi a Philly writer was critical of the pick - something about yet another "2-way forward" and lamenting that they passed on Bellows. He may wind up being right, and Bellows could have a better hockey career than Rubtsov when it's all said and done. But I'm with Hextall on this one. He has made some mistakes but has largely been very good at listening to the right advice and selecting the right players. Sam on the other hand is a good reporter. He reports what happens in an entertaining way, and covers the Flyers just fine but knows less about the game than the average 14 year old from the suburbs of Toronto.

Incorrect.

Carchidi is a ****ing idiot who's horrible at his job.

 

[Larry44]

This is actually the thing most of the peeps miss. Yesterday I thought about 'what if' the Flyers just would've gone with Bellows and he could play as soon as next year in Giroux's wing if everything goes perfectly. If Rubtsov played in U18's, he would've gone in TOP15 for sure.

Rubtsov + Laberge >> Bellows.

And possibly, when all is said and done:

Rubtsov > Bellows

Laberge > Bellows

 

[Garbage Goal]

Sam Carchidi a Philly writer was critical of the pick - something about yet another "2-way forward" and lamenting that they passed on Bellows. He may wind up being right, and Bellows could have a better hockey career than Rubtsov when it's all said and done. But I'm with Hextall on this one. He has made some mistakes but has largely been very good at listening to the right advice and selecting the right players. Sam on the other hand is a good reporter. He reports what happens in an entertaining way, and covers the Flyers just fine but knows less about the game than the average 14 year old from the suburbs of Toronto.

Carchidi is an awful reporter. I also have no clue how you could think a reporter is just fine if they "know less about the game than the average 14 year old from the suburbs of Toronto".

 

[Magua]

Carchidi is an awful reporter. I also have no clue how you could think a reporter is just fine if they "know less about the game than the average 14 year old from the suburbs of Toronto".

Could a 14 year old suburbanite come up with the advanced statistic that is "Combined Plus/Minus"*? I should think not!


*Combined Plus/Minus: if each member of a line goes -3 in a game, you write an article saying the line was -9 for the game

 

[Tripod]

And possibly, when all is said and done:

Rubtsov > Bellows

Laberge > Bellows

Except that people also forget that the Flyers sent the Jets another pick back too.

Luke Green is part of this deal too.

 

[Larry44]

Except that people also forget that the Flyers sent the Jets another pick back too.

Luke Green is part of this deal too.

Issue was wisdom of passing on Bellows to get (hopefully) Rubstov and a high 2nd. The Flyers also passed on Luke Green five times so if he turns out to be the best of the named players, they really blew it. I don't think that's going to be an issue.

 

[Tripod]

Issue was wisdom of passing on Bellows to get (hopefully) Rubstov and a high 2nd. The Flyers also passed on Luke Green five times so if he turns out to be the best of the named players, they really blew it. I don't think that's going to be an issue.

I agree....but what I meant is that people keep saying it's:

Bellows for Rubstov and Leberge.....and ignore that Green is part of that deal for Winnipeg as well.

That's all.

I still like the deal for Philly.

Edit: meant Stanley...not Bellows.

 

[Magua]

I agree....but what I meant is that people keep saying it's:

Bellows for Rubstov and Leberge.....and ignore that Green is part of that deal for Winnipeg as well.

That's all.

I still like the deal for Philly.

Winnipeg didn't draft Bellows though. It's Stanley+Green for Rubtsov+Laberge. In a trade to move down, the Flyers arguably got the 2 best players in the deal. But really it's 22+36 for 18+79. Which is also a big value win for the Flyers. You're right though, Luke Green shouldn't be forgotten.

People just keep throwing out Bellows because we absolutely HAD to draft Gauthier, Jones, or Bellows. Because.....we need dem goals. Really, it's quite possible that had he not been able to trade down, Hextall would have taken Rubtsov over Bellows at 18 and been very happy.

 

[Milos Krasic]

How good will he look in the KHL, I wonder... Guryanov was picked #12 and looked terrible. Kaprizov was picked #135 and looked great...

Guryanov is terrible, but if you put him with Spezza or Seguin, he'll score. Not because he's good, but they are.

Kaprizov is way better, but Minnesota is a bad environment for prospects.

 

[Larry44]

Winnipeg didn't draft Bellows though. It's Stanley+Green for Rubtsov+Laberge. In a trade to move down, the Flyers arguably got the 2 best players in the deal. But really it's 22+36 for 18+79. Which is also a big value win for the Flyers. You're right though, Luke Green shouldn't be forgotten.

People just keep throwing out Bellows because we absolutely HAD to draft Gauthier, Jones, or Bellows. Because.....we need dem goals. Really, it's quite possible that had he not been able to trade down, Hextall would have taken Rubtsov over Bellows at 18 and been very happy.

Hexy was quoted somewhere (can't remember where) as saying that they were taking Rubstov at 18 if that deal hadn't come along. Like the Konecny deal last year, it was Wpg who called him wanting to move up. Last year Toronto wanted to move back. Hexy benefited by both deals, imho.

 

[Atas2000]

Guryanov is terrible, but if you put him with Spezza or Seguin, he'll score. Not because he's good, but they are.

Kaprizov is way better, but Minnesota is a bad environment for prospects.

Somebody who calls Guryanov terrible isn't really qualified to evaluate prospects IMHO.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

Somebody who calls Guryanov terrible isn't really qualified to evaluate prospects IMHO.

To be honest, while your post is a bit harsh, I agree with you.
Calling Guryanov "terrible" is a bit laughable.
Let's just say that he had a rocky season, he's alright.
But I fear that moving to NA so young won't help him. It didn't help Nichushkin, and Guryanov is nowhere near his level yet.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

How good will he look in the KHL, I wonder... Guryanov was picked #12 and looked terrible. Kaprizov was picked #135 and looked great...

NHL draft number has nothing to do with a players' career, especially so for European players. Guryanov was obviously picked too early, just like Nichushkin was, but anyway they are solid prospects.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Somebody who calls Guryanov terrible isn't really qualified to evaluate prospects IMHO.

He was terrible the last season for a Russain top prospect. Just compare his statistics to Buchnevich (at the same age), Kaprizov... not saying Tarasenko or Kuznetsov. Even Nichushkin looked way better in his draft year, being almost 1 year younger.

 

[Whileee]

Winnipeg didn't draft Bellows though. It's Stanley+Green for Rubtsov+Laberge. In a trade to move down, the Flyers arguably got the 2 best players in the deal. But really it's 22+36 for 18+79. Which is also a big value win for the Flyers. You're right though, Luke Green shouldn't be forgotten.

People just keep throwing out Bellows because we absolutely HAD to draft Gauthier, Jones, or Bellows. Because.....we need dem goals. Really, it's quite possible that had he not been able to trade down, Hextall would have taken Rubtsov over Bellows at 18 and been very happy.

Lots of ifs, but assuming that Green was the best player available at #79, then you could consider:

Bellows and Green vs. Rubtsov and Laberge.

I and many Jets fans hated the trade and the selection of Stanley, but were pleasantly surprised to nab Green at #79. He looks like a highly-skilled RHD who is a fantastic skater. Keeping fingers crossed that he's the next Ghost.

 

[Milos Krasic]

Somebody who calls Guryanov terrible isn't really qualified to evaluate prospects IMHO.

Terrible was too harsh, I agree (too much to drink...). Anyway, not writing Guryanov off. He could still turn into a very good player, but like ASR said, 12th overall is looking like a reach at the moment.

 

[Atas2000]

Terrible was too harsh, I agree (too much to drink...). Anyway, not writing Guryanov off. He could still turn into a very good player, but like ASR said, 12th overall is looking like a reach at the moment.

His prodcution was nearly typical for such a young guy thrown into a men league. He does perform well on junior level. I also stay away from judging players by their draft pick unless it's a top 2 - top 3 pick, where you expect major future stars to be taken. After that there's a lot of fluctuation in regards of how the development curve may evolve and when it meets the expectations(or not of course).

There are a few years from now for Guryanov to prove he is a worthy first rounder.

 

[kp61c]

Somebody who calls Guryanov terrible isn't really qualified to evaluate prospects IMHO.

but he's bad all right, i think he'll be a bust. not a fan of rubtsov either. i doubt he'll make vityaz's roster this year.

 

[Cyborg LeClair]

but he's bad all right, i think he'll be a bust. not a fan of rubtsov either. i doubt he'll make vityaz's roster this year.

What aspects of his game do you think will hold Rubtsov back?

 

[kp61c]

What aspects of his game do you think will hold Rubtsov back?

constituency is an issue, tend to disappear for a few games after one good one. not impressed by his shooting ability, neither by his physique.
and it's not a question of what will hold him back but of what will put him forward. he's a jack of all trades who doesn't excel at anything to me. that doesn't sound very promising. i may be mistaken, of course.

 

[WastedTalent]

constituency is an issue, tend to disappear for a few games after one good one. not impressed by his shooting ability, neither by his physique.
and it's not a question of what will hold him back but of what will put him forward. he's a jack of all trades who doesn't excel at anything to me. that doesn't sound very promising. i may be mistaken, of course.

Sheesh, you'd think it was a 3rd round reach you were talking about