C Elias Pettersson - Timra IK, Allsvenskan (2017, 5th, VAN)

[Skippy73]

Seems like a player the Wings would be interested in at pick 9 (if he makes it), unless they are in love with one of the D in the draft

 

[lawrence]

Yup and as good as they have been, I am ready for some more gritty players up front than the Sedins after 16 years of it. Watching Getzlaf and Perry only confirmed it tonight. Time for a different mix up front on the Canucks. Peterson more of the same.

I don't think there are any 6'3 200 poundes available, let alone Getzlaff or perry calibre players at 5......

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

That's really weird angle to take, considering there's lots of guys his age that aren't so light. Plenty have more muscle, even shorter guys and younger guys. He's a 98 birthday to boot. Your argument only makes sense if he's never, ever set foot in a weight room. I really doubt that. That'd be really dumb on the part of his club and also dumb on his part.

It's also weird considering we have his brother who has presumably had resources available to him and has had to train in a men's league yet hasn't really put on that much weight, despite being five years older. It's almost like there's some sort of limiting factor there that's shared between brothers. hmmm....

He may very well - with a lot of dedication - reach 180. He may even become an effective player at that weight. But I have my doubts, and with so many other equally as good players available, I'd personally avoid him inside the top 10. He did not have a strong WJC. That's not a surprise when you consider he is spotting 20-40 pounds to most of his opponents, even a guy like Tolvanen who is four inches shorter. Not only is he giving up that weight, but he's also taller than average, meaning the difference in muscle mass is even greater.

The best thing that can happen for his draft stock is to weigh in at more than 170 at the combine.

I dont, judging from the picture above. That is not the body of someone of regularly visits the gym, no matter your bodytype.

 

[covfefe]

Lots of bro-science going on in this thread.

It's 2017 and people have figured out how to send rockets to space and back. If you want to gain mass, eat at a caloric surplus and strength train.

Pettersson is going to have to do this for months on end which will be a challenge, but he has gotten this far in hockey and I'd imagine he understands that.


Interpret what is very rudimentary info as you like, but I've never understood the angle you took here

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

His wrists actually look pretty wide in that pic, maybe he can safely put on enough weight

 

[Man Bear Pig]

His wrists actually look pretty wide in that pic, maybe he can safely put on enough weight

Pfft every bro knows weight is determined by width of your fingernails.

 

[Cupless44]

I don't think there are any 6'3 200 poundes available, let alone Getzlaff or perry calibre players at 5......

Glass and Vilardi are both 6'2" and will,play at over 200 lbs when mature. Both ranked ahead of Pettersson also.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I think Pettersson is a top 3 talent in this draft. The only thing pushing him down the list is his size. I'm a major fan.

 

[Love]

I think Pettersson is a top 3 talent in this draft. The only thing pushing him down the list is his size. I'm a major fan.

I have the same view. If I was a GM with 3rd overall he's who I would take.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Seems like a player the Wings would be interested in at pick 9 (if he makes it), unless they are in love with one of the D in the draft

Depends what D man is available with the #9 pick, Have to assume that both Heiskanen and Makar are off the board when Detroit picks at #9 if Liljegren is still on the board at #9 then i think Detroit takes him over Pettersson.

 

[lawrence]

Glass and Vilardi are both 6'2" and will,play at over 200 lbs when mature. Both ranked ahead of Pettersson also.

lets say Patrick is taken number 1, will the Flyers really pass up on Heicher just because he is too small? not to mention, Vilardi and Glass are nowhere near Perry or Getzlafs calibre even at that age. Not a chance. Even If there is a future "Corry Perry" count that player in as going number 1.

 

[Luddowich]

lets say Patrick is taken number 1, will the Flyers really pass up on Heicher just because he is too small? not to mention, Vilardi and Glass are nowhere near Perry or Getzlafs calibre even at that age. Not a chance. Even If there is a future "Corry Perry" count that player in as going number 1.

All depends on how their scouts value the prospects. And last time they picked #2, they picked the big dude in JVR which didn't work out like they wanted.

 

[Habs76]

I wonder if the skating and weight will come hand in hand. I mean, if his skating issues are because he's not getting enough power in his stride, it could be because of a lack of muscle in his legs. If he bulks up, he solves a lot problems.

I haven't watched him play, only read about him, so I'm making an assumption here.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I wonder if the skating and weight will come hand in hand. I mean, if his skating issues are because he's not getting enough power in his stride, it could be because of a lack of muscle in his legs. If he bulks up, he solves a lot problems.

I haven't watched him play, only read about him, so I'm making an assumption here.

That's part of his problem. He seems very physically immature for his age with the strength of an average 15 year old. Obviously it's going to affect the power in his stride. The big question is whether he can gain the required muscle to play pro. He's a boom or bust pick.

 

[GetFocht]

One of the smaller frames I've seen. Scouts should ask themselves if he can play at 175ish on NA ice.

He's tiny

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

It's also a factor in terms of when you need a player to impact. In seven years when he's physically mature he might very well be the best from this draft, the question is if a team is willing and able to wait that long with a top ten pick

 

[lawrence]

It's also a factor in terms of when you need a player to impact. In seven years when he's physically mature he might very well be the best from this draft, the question is if a team is willing and able to wait that long with a top ten pick

the thing about this prospect is that he's already played against men. It's not like he's some fluke doing it against players his age. Sure its Swedens tier 2, but still it should be noted that he's played against men and you can say, the results are there. He is 2nd on his team in scoring.

weight is a huge issue. Yes. The same could be said for at least 5 other guys ranked in the top 10, (Heicher/Necas/Makar/Glass) the list goes on. 6'2 160 now that is concerning. If he is the next Zetterberg are you gonna truly pass up on him because he is light? even if he plays at 175, but is a Zetterberg at this point the weight is not an issue.

 

[XX]

the thing about this prospect is that he's already played against men. It's not like he's some fluke doing it against players his age. Sure its Swedens tier 2, but still it should be noted that he's played against men and you can say, the results are there. He is 2nd on his team in scoring.

weight is a huge issue. Yes. The same could be said for at least 5 other guys ranked in the top 10, (Heicher/Necas/Makar/Glass) the list goes on. 6'2 160 now that is concerning. If he is the next Zetterberg are you gonna truly pass up on him because he is light? even if he plays at 175, but is a Zetterberg at this point the weight is not an issue.

If he was guaranteed to be X famous Swedish player, he'd go #1. He's not. David Rundblad lit up the SHL yet he couldn't do **** on NA ice. Pettersson is not showing great work along the boards or anything of that nature to suggest that his game is NA-proof. None of the guys you mentioned are as light as Pettersson is at his height either. People need to understand that weight is proportional. It's not a threshold that's crossed and suddenly someone can play in the NHL. He has a long way to go to even reach the baseline. GMs should make peace with him being a light-in-the-ass winger. It's not a given he develops physically.

 

[lanky]

GMs should make peace with him being a light-in-the-ass winger. It's not a given he develops physically.

I have to agree with this. I still think he can be a good NHLer regardless. He's shown dominance in a men's league already.

 

[gretskidoo]

One of the smaller frames I've seen. Scouts should ask themselves if he can play at 175ish on NA ice.

Scouts should ask themselves if he will lose weight and play at 130. Hopefully asking themselves long enough for Detroit to pick him in the 2nd.

 

[Luddowich]

I have to agree with this. I still think he can be a good NHLer regardless. He's shown dominance in a men's league already.

Didn't you know you stop developing physically after 18?
If he's struggling along the boards and getting outmuscled against pros at 18(!!!) there's apparently no way he even can improve enough to even get decent at it.

Scouts should ask themselves if he will lose weight and play at 130. Hopefully asking themselves long enough for Detroit to pick him in the 2nd.

NHL Teams usually lie about weight and height to make smaller players look bigger than they actually area. If he's at 130, he's in reality at around 110. Prob going to get undrafted.

His weight raises enough "red flag" for me to not pick him 1st overall, but not a top 10 pick?
Boy are people going to regret not passing on him, he's probably the most skilled and best player in this draft.

 

[Iceman]

His weight is a bit on the extreme side but I wouldn't dare to pass on him if I got a late top 10 pick.

 

[Luddowich]

His weight is a bit on the extreme side but I wouldn't dare to pass on him if I got a late top 10 pick.

I mean, he outscored Wennberg, Pastrnak, Forsberg etc with that extreme weight. Which makes me him more intriguing for me, shows the possibility of what he could've accomplished with that weight. Shot which is already good will without a doubt improve with added weight, better stickhandling and IMO skating and balance.
He's going to become a star, interview stage will be big for him IMO.
Just needs to prove a strong commitment.

 

[JA]

At the age of 18, Emil Pettersson, Elias' brother, was 6'0'', 152 lbs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120327014618/http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=27331

Here he is at the age of 19 at a height and weight of 6'1'', 159 lbs.

At the age of 23, he is now 6'2'', 176 lbs.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=27331

Emil just signed his entry-level deal with the Predators yesterday. Associated Press states here that he weighs 164 lbs, but the SHL website lists him at a weight of 80 kg (176 lbs).

https://www.shl.se/lag/50e6-50e6DYeWM__skelleftea-aik/qQ9-b20c10aOfn__emil-pettersson

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/predators-sign-emil-pettersson-two-year-entry-level-deal/

Predators sign Emil Pettersson to two-year, entry-level deal
Associated Press May 8, 2017, 5:30 PM

NASHVILLE — The Nashville Predators have signed forward Emil Pettersson to a two-year, entry-level contract.

Pettersson, 23, ranked ninth in the Swedish Hockey League in points this season. Pettersson had 15 goals and 23 assists while splitting the season between Skelleftea and Vaxjo.

The 6-foot-2, 164-pound centre has spent the past four seasons in Sweden’s senior leagues.

The Predators selected Pettersson in the sixth round with the 155th overall pick in the 2013 entry draft. He is expected to play for the American Hockey League’s Milwaukee Admirals next season.

Elias is currently 6'2'', 161 lbs.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=266336

 

[Luddowich]

At the age of 17, Emil Pettersson, Elias' brother, was 6'1'' 159 lbs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130204043009/http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=27331

At the age of 23, he is now 6'2'' 176 lbs.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=27331

Emil was also drafted as an overager IIRC and it's impossible to say how committed he was comparing to how committed Elias is. Think Elias could play in the NHL at 176-180. So I obviously don't have as big of a concern without like a lot of people do.