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C Dylan Larkin (2014, 15th, DET)

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Is he going to be in the nhl all year? If so who will he be playing with?

*side note i really wanted the sabres to trade all their 2nd round picks for this guy. Came so close.
 
SabreOil said:
Is he going to be in the nhl all year? If so who will he be playing with?

*side note i really wanted the sabres to trade all their 2nd round picks for this guy. Came so close.
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We don't even know if he made the team yet. Signs point to yes but the slimming of the roster isn't complete.

Also, you already have eichel and reinhart why would you need larkin too >.<
 
DanZ said:
How much research did you actually do on this? Getzlaf and Perry were both drafted at the end of the first round. Giroux had a lot of hype. I'm sure there are plenty of examples.

Also, this was one poster. His opinion is about as meaningful as the rest of ours.
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I didn't ask for players that turned into franchise players. I asked for who was called one in their draft +1 season. I don't recall anyone calling any of those players franchise players before their first professional season.

I've seen this comment made by more than one poster. I believe Larkin will become something special, but I'm no where close to ready to call him a guarantee or than he will be a Franchise level player.
 
nbwingsfan said:
I didn't ask for players that turned into franchise players. I asked for who was called one in their draft +1 season. I don't recall anyone calling any of those players franchise players before their first professional season.

I've seen this comment made by more than one poster. I believe Larkin will become something special, but I'm no where close to ready to call him a guarantee or than he will be a Franchise level player.
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No one is saying anything is guaranteed. Larkin isn't guaranteed to be a stud, neither is random top 5 pick.
 
obey86 said:
No one is saying anything is guaranteed. Larkin isn't guaranteed to be a stud, neither is random top 5 pick.
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Plenty of people here are already saying he should have been a top 5 (or even top 3) pick and that 13 teams will regret not taking him. That sounds like some guarantees to me. I'm only saying this because if he doesn't pan out then this is going to make our fan base look bad in a couple years.

Expectations should be taken down a notch.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Plenty of people here are already saying he should have been a top 5 (or even top 3) pick and that 13 teams will regret not taking him. That sounds like some guarantees to me. I'm only saying this because if he doesn't pan out then this is going to make our fan base look bad in a couple years.

Expectations should be taken down a notch.
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So basically you don't believe it's possible for a prospect to lower or raise their stock after they are drafted?
 
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obey86 said:
So basically you don't believe it's possible for a prospect to lower or raise their stock after they are drafted?
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Of course they can. But to go from a guy who was widely regarded as a 2nd/3rd liner to being called a future franchise player after just one season? That's a little extreme.

I would love to see it come true, but that's just asking to look foolish in a couple years.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Of course they can. But to go from a guy who was widely regarded as a 2nd/3rd liner to being called a future franchise player after just one season? That's a little extreme.

I would love to see it come true, but that's just asking to look foolish in a couple years.
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The Jarnkrok effect?
 
nbwingsfan said:
Of course they can. But to go from a guy who was widely regarded as a 2nd/3rd liner to being called a future franchise player after just one season? That's a little extreme.

I would love to see it come true, but that's just asking to look foolish in a couple years.
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You're the one who's going to look foolish in a couple years. He's a gazillion times closer to looking like a future franchise/#1 center than he is a 3rd liner.

Scouting reports are simply snapshots of a prediction at a given point in time. Things change fast. It's hard, if not near impossible, to predict a player's entire career trajectory at age 17/18. Pre-draft scouting reports aren't consistently accurate...at all. And just because Joe Schmo at Hockey.com said Dylan Larkin was just a 2nd/3rd line tweener...it doesn't mean that's how the Red Wings or other teams viewed him.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Plenty of people here are already saying he should have been a top 5 (or even top 3) pick and that 13 teams will regret not taking him. That sounds like some guarantees to me. I'm only saying this because if he doesn't pan out then this is going to make our fan base look bad in a couple years.

Expectations should be taken down a notch.
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Did you watch any of the preseason games? That's all the projection I need, personally.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Plenty of people here are already saying he should have been a top 5 (or even top 3) pick and that 13 teams will regret not taking him. That sounds like some guarantees to me. I'm only saying this because if he doesn't pan out then this is going to make our fan base look bad in a couple years.

Expectations should be taken down a notch.
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Based on what we've seen from the draft, yes, he probably would be top 5 in a re-draft or at the very least top ten. It should be very apparent to everyone by now that Larkin was overlooked because of Eichel. If Eichel wasn't on that team than Larkin probably would have went top five. It's a unique circumstance because he was overshadowed by a generational prospect.
 
DanZ said:
Based on what we've seen from the draft, yes, he probably would be top 5 in a re-draft or at the very least top ten. It should be very apparent to everyone by now that Larkin was overlooked because of Eichel. If Eichel wasn't on that team than Larkin probably would have went top five. It's a unique circumstance because he was overshadowed by a generational prospect.
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I think you guys are being a little premature. You have guys like L.D Ehlers, Nylander, Bennett who are all at min just as skilled or more skilled but I must say in my redraft I have Larkin 4th
Ekblad
Bennett
Nylander
Larkin
L.D
Ehlers
Bjorkstrand
Reinhart
Pasta
 
obey86 said:
You're the one who's going to look foolish in a couple years. He's a gazillion times closer to looking like a future franchise/#1 center than he is a 3rd liner.

Scouting reports are simply snapshots of a prediction at a given point in time. Things change fast. It's hard, if not near impossible, to predict a player's entire career trajectory at age 17/18. Pre-draft scouting reports aren't consistently accurate...at all. And just because Joe Schmo at Hockey.com said Dylan Larkin was just a 2nd/3rd line tweener...it doesn't mean that's how the Red Wings or other teams viewed him.
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I'm not going to look foolish because I don't think he will actually be a 2nd/3rd liner. I think he will become a 1st line C in the Bergeron mold (as in he won't put up elite offensive numbers, but will be defensively). I'm just saying its way too early to call a player a franchise level player when in his entire he's played 10 or so professional games and was never regarded that way previously.

Also it was not just Joe Schmo as you put it. It was almost every single person who watched him. It was pretty well known that no one thought he had great offensive potential, hell didn't even the Wings staff state he will be a great defensive centre in the future?

Guru Meditation said:
Did you watch any of the preseason games? That's all the projection I need, personally.
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He has been great, but we all know pre season is not a great predictor of future success. Is AA going to go ppg in the NHL this season? Is Columbus' first line the greatest of all time?
 
bobbyt 91 said:
I think you guys are being a little premature. You have guys like L.D Ehlers, Nylander, Bennett who are all at min just as skilled or more skilled but I must say in my redraft I have Larkin 4th
Ekblad
Bennett
Nylander
Larkin
L.D
Ehlers
Bjorkstrand
Reinhart
Pasta
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They're being premature in ranking him top 5-10, yet you have him ranked 4th yourself? How is that any different from what they're doing?
 
DanZ said:
Based on what we've seen from the draft, yes, he probably would be top 5 in a re-draft or at the very least top ten. It should be very apparent to everyone by now that Larkin was overlooked because of Eichel. If Eichel wasn't on that team than Larkin probably would have went top five. It's a unique circumstance because he was overshadowed by a generational prospect.
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Top of my head teams that would drafted Larkin instead if they redrafted today:

Florida: No
Buffalo: No
Oilers: Maybe, it is a toss, Larkin and LD could be used for the same role
Calgary: No
Islanders: Think they wanted a winger more then a center...
Canucks: Fans yes, Benning no? :P
Canes: Yes (but I heard rumors that Fleury was much better this year, so maybe??)
Leafs: No
Jets: I think they would draft Larkin if they liked him more, so no
Ducks: Maybe?
Preds: Yes on the assumption they need more high skilled centers then wingers (I think they do)
Arizona: Yes, centers>wingers
Caps: I would.....Could be a perfect skilled third line center, behind Bäckis and Kutz
Dallas: Honka has been very good,so 50/50, but Dallas need D more then C...

So some GM´s maybe regret they didn´t pick Larkin, but not all...
 
Henkka said:
Red Wings management did. And did it without almighty Jim Nill. Who cares about what fans are thinking. We don't know a **** in reality.

1. FLO - Ekblad - D
2. BUF - Reinhart - C
3. EDM - Draisaitl - C
4. CGY - Bennett - C

5. This 5th overall should have been the place where Larkin goes. But everybody started picking wingers or defencemen. Wingers after wingers. When there was a TOP5 pick Overall Center and probable Franchise player available.

5. NYI - Dal Colle - W
6. VAN - Virtanen - W
7. CAR - Fleury - D
8. TOR - Nylander - F (possible center but everything point to career winger)
9. WPG - Ehlers - W
10. ANA - Ritchie - W
11. NSH - Fiala - W
12. ARI - Perlini - W
13. WSH - Vrana - W
14. DAL - Honka - D

15. DET - Larkin - C

Those ten organizations before Detroit can look in the mirror. You missed. You got good players, but not a great player Detroit got. Not against drafting defencemen if you need them, but those wingers, everybody of them would be ready to be traded for Larkin in next few years.

I'll thank all those organizations who picked from 5 to 14 rebuilding the Red Wings future Center core for next 15 years. Without tanking. Thank you all. :)
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Larkin a probable franchise center? I'm sorry, but you just lost your credibility. In 2014 draft there was none probable franchise centers - not even Reinhart.

I know this is a Wings prospect, and their fanbase is known for ridiculously bumping their prospects tires (Järnkrok and Sproul says hello), but I still recommend to hold your horses.
 
Heraldic said:
Larkin a probable franchise center? I'm sorry, but you just lost your credibility. In 2014 draft there was none probable franchise centers - not even Reinhart.

I know this is a Wings prospect, and their fanbase is known for ridiculously bumping their prospects tires (Järnkrok and Sproul says hello), but I still recommend to hold your horses.
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Jarnkrok and Sproul are bad examples. Even when they've been hyped up it's always come with some questions (can Jarnkrok add some muscle, can Sproul figure out the defense), and neither one has ever had the type of season Larkin had last year or the kind of training camp Larkin had this year. All fanbases are guilty of sometimes overhyping certain prospects, but in the case of Larkin it's fair to say the hype is warranted. He's just barely 19 and seems like he may have won a roster spot on a team that is very difficult to win a job on.
 
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