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C Dylan Larkin (2014, 15th, DET)

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Semantics said:
He outperformed Jack Eichel at the WJC, and it doesn't seem completely unlikely that he could so again and challenge for the Calder. Given that Zetterberg is old, it doesn't seem that crazy to think his "off" year is his new norm.
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Eichel had a lot tougher match-ups against him than Larkin at WJC. Larkin played most of the time behind Eichel and Matthews. But there's a point, because Eichel wasn't his best at the WJC. On the other hand, during the WC you could actually see the difference between those two. That's the difference between absolutely elite and very good prospect. Larkin wasn't even close despite having a good tournament.

The chances for Larkin to outperform Eichel this upcoming season are really slim. And that would happen most likely only, if Eichel had a severe injury.
 
Heraldic said:
Eichel had a lot tougher match-ups against him than Larkin at WJC. Larkin played most of the time behind Eichel and Matthews. But there's a point, because Eichel wasn't his best at the WJC. On the other hand, during the WC you could actually see the difference between those two. That's the difference between absolutely elite and very good prospect. Larkin wasn't even close despite having a good tournament.

The chances for Larkin to outperform Eichel this upcoming season are really slim. And that would happen most likely only, if Eichel had a severe injury.
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Larkin was also given significantly more defensive roles. That is a factor that you are ignoring. Eichel didn't have to match up against Kopitar and the like in the WC.
 
Semantics said:
He outperformed Jack Eichel at the WJC, and it doesn't seem completely unlikely that he could so again and challenge for the Calder.
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Replace Larkin with Reinhart and Eichel with McDavid and you could make the same argument. And it would sound just as ridiculous.

Larkin is a great young player but he's not in Eichel's tier.
 
DanZ said:
Larkin was also given significantly more defensive roles. That is a factor that you are ignoring. Eichel didn't have to match up against Kopitar and the like in the WC.
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That's an overstatement for sure. Eichel didn't see much of Kopitar but he was playing on the top line much of the tournament. He saw plenty of the best players USA faced. Vs. Russia he saw Malkin all day.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Replace Larkin with Reinhart and Eichel with McDavid and you could make the same argument. And it would sound just as ridiculous.
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That's absurd. Reinhart was probably Canada's best overall player but the margin between him and McDavid was incredibly slim at best. You seem to be forgetting that McDavid led the tournament in points.

Not surprised you're oblivious to the facts, though, since you were the guy trying to argue Eichel was just as good as McDavid at the time.

Larkin is a great young player but he's not in Eichel's tier.
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As a prospect he's not on Eichel's tier, but the fact of the matter is he outplayed Eichel in the preseason.
 
Semantics said:
That's absurd. Reinhart was probably Canada's best overall player but the margin between him and McDavid was incredibly slim at best. You seem to be forgetting that McDavid led the tournament in points.

Not surprised you're oblivious to the facts, though, since you were the guy trying to argue Eichel was just as good as McDavid at the time.



As a prospect he's not on Eichel's tier, but the fact of the matter is he outplayed Eichel in the preseason.
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Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Larkin has not been as good as Eichel. You could make an argument that he's been better than guys like Nylander and McDavid, but not Eichel.
 
Gaudreau said:
Larkin is a beast. Leafs will regret taking Nylander over him for decades.
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Thats not how it works. Theres no way Larkin was on the leafs radar at 8th overall. Besides you can say that statement in everydraft with any successful player.
 
ZetterbergsBeard420 said:
Nobody had larkin on their radar that early in the draft, and with good reason. You are ignorant and have no argument.
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Because he played second line minutes behind Eichel? My argument seems pretty solid considering if there was a re-draft he would easily go top ten, very possibly top 5.
 
DanZ said:
Because he played second line minutes behind Eichel? My argument seems pretty solid considering if there was a re-draft he would easily go top ten, very possibly top 5.
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That's a valid point. Good eye-drafting organisations, like Red Wings, saw, that this talent is one of best after two becoming next draft generational talents. They didn't get blind about Eichel leading the team. They saw through Larkin, what he should be as an individual when excluding Eichel-effect from that team, and that meant TOP5 pick of that draft.

Jack Eichel is the best thing which has happened for Red Wings future lately. Eichel's existence smoke-screened other organization's draft departments with a great favor for Red Wings. :)
 
Heraldic said:
Eichel had a lot tougher match-ups against him than Larkin at WJC. Larkin played most of the time behind Eichel and Matthews. But there's a point, because Eichel wasn't his best at the WJC. On the other hand, during the WC you could actually see the difference between those two. That's the difference between absolutely elite and very good prospect. Larkin wasn't even close despite having a good tournament.

The chances for Larkin to outperform Eichel this upcoming season are really slim. And that would happen most likely only, if Eichel had a severe injury.
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I thank Jack Eichel almost daily for Dylan Larkin. Yes I think Eichel will be better but his existence on the USMNTDP is what caused Larkin to slide slightly down the board in my opinion.

Larkin did have a very good World Championship though, played his checking role incredibly well.

Henkka said:
Too bad Leafs had so high pick. Lower pick could have turned out better. how about not tanking like Red Wings continue to do? :)
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Very happy the Leafs picked that high, as most of you from the Detroit board know I wanted both Larkin and Fabbri over Nylander who I wanted no part of in that draft year... Not true of everyone, but was extremely happy to watch Nylander go off the board, I thought he was an awful fit for Detroit.
 
DanZ said:
Because he played second line minutes behind Eichel? My argument seems pretty solid considering if there was a re-draft he would easily go top ten, very possibly top 5.
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If the Leafs reached with their pick and took Larkin and he didn't pan out, the GM would get run out of town. No one really had Larkin in their top 10 at the time. Hell even some Wings fans weren't 100% pleased with the pick because at the time he wasn't regarded as a player with such a high ceiling. Very few people saw this coming out of him.

The Leafs may wish they had picked him, but that would have been unrealistic at the time.
 
nbwingsfan said:
If the Leafs reached with their pick and took Larkin and he didn't pan out, the GM would get run out of town. No one really had Larkin in their top 10 at the time. Hell even some Wings fans weren't 100% pleased with the pick because at the time he wasn't regarded as a player with such a high ceiling. Very few people saw this coming out of him.

The Leafs may wish they had picked him, but that would have been unrealistic at the time.
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Some Wings fans might not have liked the pick but that's why fans don't make draft decisions. Scouts around the league are paid to watch these guys and make talent evaluations. They have far more exposure to these prospects than 99% of an NHL fan base. Not saying that Wings' scouts are infallible but it's not an exact science. However, I'd say it's certainly possible that they saw things that other teams didn't given their track record.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Very few people saw this coming out of him.
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Red Wings management did. And did it without almighty Jim Nill. Who cares about what fans are thinking. We don't know a **** in reality.

1. FLO - Ekblad - D
2. BUF - Reinhart - C
3. EDM - Draisaitl - C
4. CGY - Bennett - C

5. This 5th overall should have been the place where Larkin goes. But everybody started picking wingers or defencemen. Wingers after wingers. When there was a TOP5 pick Overall Center and probable Franchise player available.

5. NYI - Dal Colle - W
6. VAN - Virtanen - W
7. CAR - Fleury - D
8. TOR - Nylander - F (possible center but everything point to career winger)
9. WPG - Ehlers - W
10. ANA - Ritchie - W
11. NSH - Fiala - W
12. ARI - Perlini - W
13. WSH - Vrana - W
14. DAL - Honka - D

15. DET - Larkin - C

Those ten organizations before Detroit can look in the mirror. You missed. You got good players, but not a great player Detroit got. Not against drafting defencemen if you need them, but those wingers, everybody of them would be ready to be traded for Larkin in next few years.

I'll thank all those organizations who picked from 5 to 14 rebuilding the Red Wings future Center core for next 15 years. Without tanking. Thank you all. :)
 
Henkka said:
Red Wings management did. And did it without almighty Jim Nill. Who cares about what fans are thinking. We don't know a **** in reality.

1. FLO - Ekblad - D
2. BUF - Reinhart - C
3. EDM - Draisaitl - C
4. CGY - Bennett - C

5. This 5th overall should have been the place where Larkin goes. But everybody started picking wingers or defencemen. Wingers after wingers. When there was a TOP5 pick Overall Center and probable Franchise player available.

5. NYI - Dal Colle - W
6. VAN - Virtanen - W
7. CAR - Fleury - D
8. TOR - Nylander - F (possible center but everything point to career winger)
9. WPG - Ehlers - W
10. ANA - Ritchie - W
11. NSH - Fiala - W
12. ARI - Perlini - W
13. WSH - Vrana - W
14. DAL - Honka - D

15. DET - Larkin - C

Those ten organizations before Detroit can look in the mirror. You missed. You got good players, but not a great player Detroit got. Not against drafting defencemen if you need them, but those wingers, everybody of them would be ready to be traded for Larkin in next few years.

I'll thank all those organizations who picked from 5 to 14 rebuilding the Red Wings future Center core for next 15 years. Without tanking. Thank you all. :)
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I'd pump the break a little on Larkin being a franchise player. I think he will be a great player regardless (he already is one) but I think what I'd consider to be a franchise center capable of winning multiple Cups is a two-way 70+ point player, and I think that's far from a given at this point. He has that potential but he could also end up a solid 2C on the low end.
 
Henkka said:
Red Wings management did. And did it without almighty Jim Nill. Who cares about what fans are thinking. We don't know a **** in reality.

1. FLO - Ekblad - D
2. BUF - Reinhart - C
3. EDM - Draisaitl - C
4. CGY - Bennett - C

5. This 5th overall should have been the place where Larkin goes. But everybody started picking wingers or defencemen. Wingers after wingers. When there was a TOP5 pick Overall Center and probable Franchise player available.

5. NYI - Dal Colle - W
6. VAN - Virtanen - W
7. CAR - Fleury - D
8. TOR - Nylander - F (possible center but everything point to career winger)
9. WPG - Ehlers - W
10. ANA - Ritchie - W
11. NSH - Fiala - W
12. ARI - Perlini - W
13. WSH - Vrana - W
14. DAL - Honka - D

15. DET - Larkin - C

Those ten organizations before Detroit can look in the mirror. You missed. You got good players, but not a great player Detroit got. Not against drafting defencemen if you need them, but those wingers, everybody of them would be ready to be traded for Larkin in next few years.

I'll thank all those organizations who picked from 5 to 14 rebuilding the Red Wings future Center core for next 15 years. Without tanking. Thank you all. :)
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Wow.
 
Henkka said:
Those ten organizations before Detroit can look in the mirror. You missed. You got good players, but not a great player Detroit got. Not against drafting defencemen if you need them, but those wingers, everybody of them would be ready to be traded for Larkin in next few years.
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I'm as excited about Larkin as anyone, but a post like this accomplishes nothing other than riling up fans of other teams.

Guys like Nylander, Ehlers, and Virtanen look great in their own right and it's going to be a few years before we can definitely say who made the right choices.
 
Wow..I am some glad the Flyers picked after Detroit so we cannot be ridiculed for not picking Larkin. We will sit and suffer with Sanheim somehow.
 
Leafidelity said:
Mmm nah. Keep Larkin. We're quite happy, thank you. Glad you feel it worked out for you. :)
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Its kinda funny, Larkin has a good camp and now he is better that the whole draft :laugh:
If you look at the group of Bennett, Nylander, Ehlers, Reinhart, Larkin and L.D its going to take a few yrs to see who the best is.
 
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