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C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 2

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GeorgeLeafer12 said:
I think he should shoot less and change his game, work on his read of the game ability, when to take a shot and when not to,
he won't be scoring big numbers in the pros how he plays, atm, he is super predictable player.

recorded another 8 shots on goal vs Raiders, didn't score, had only 1 secondary pp assist

at the same time, BYager has more points, in fewer games this season and he is not the only
2023 draft eligible player
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Imagine trying to give advice to one of the best 16 year prospects based purely off of looking at boxscores. Open up the wallet and buy a month of CHL TV and try to actually get an idea of what's going on out there. At the very least you would have seen that it was a first assist tonight...
 
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Kshahdoo said:
0+1, -2. His team lost 5-2. Was it again bad luck?
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I think He Puts too much pressure on himself. And I think reading almost every day that He is the ext one doesnt help either. Kid, just continu to train, keep focused, and enjoy doing what you Love most, playing hockey.
 
ClarkBolzano said:
I think He Puts too much pressure on himself. And I think reading almost every day that He is the ext one doesnt help either. Kid, just continu to train, keep focused, and enjoy doing what you Love most, playing hockey.
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If yes, then Michkov has a tougher mentality. He's like new Ovi in Russia, and he just doesn't give a shit.
 
Kshahdoo said:
If yes, then Michkov has a tougher mentality. He's like new Ovi in Russia, and he just doesn't give a shit.
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So far Michkov is exactly like young Ovi, where not giving a shit will result in tears as the gold medals are handed out to Crosby and Bedard.
 
Kshahdoo said:
You're wrong about Michkov.
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Noticeably better in the round robin than he was in the knockout stage, feasts in garbage time when games are out of hand, empty netters, etc. Still a great player but just something I noticed.
 
EichelFan15 said:
Michkov plays his best when the games matter the least and Bedard elevates his play the greater the stakes.
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I'm not so sure. Bedard hasn't played many meaningful games vs upper tier players in his age group though. Just one U18 tournament, which can hardly be considerered a quality sample size. Even then Michkov out produced him in the final.

Michkov actually has an awesome track record vs his peers in big games going back to the YOG, Hlinka, U18, etc. all of which had tons of great players.
 
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Hanji said:
I'm not so sure. Bedard hasn't played many meaningful games vs upper tier players in his age group though. Just one U18 tournament, which can hardly be considerered a quality sample size. Even then Michkov out produced him in the final.

Michkov actually has an awesome track record vs his peers in big games going back to the YOG, Hlinka, U18, etc. all of which had tons of great players.
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The team Canada head scout said thst a big reason for wanting Bedard at camp is that everywhere he’s been in his career he has found a way to play his best hockey and manufacture the most offence on the biggest stages. While maybe there aren’t as many well known instances, you can’t tell me that in the gold medal game when Bedard was stopped on the penalty shot and came out the very next shift and scored thst backhand goal you didn’t say to yourself “woah this kid is a big time player”?. Let alone going from a point per game in the round robin to over 3 PPG in the medal round.

on the other hand it seems like Michkov tends to beat up on the weaker competition or score more when the games are out of hand. Still a good player, fret not.
 
I know Canadiens will hate to hear it but Michkov has simply closed the gap and nay even be a bit ahead of Bedard right now. Theres really zero argument against it
 
EichelFan15 said:
The team Canada head scout said thst a big reason for wanting Bedard at camp is that everywhere he’s been in his career he has found a way to play his best hockey and manufacture the most offence on the biggest stages. While maybe there aren’t as many well known instances, you can’t tell me that in the gold medal game when Bedard was stopped on the penalty shot and came out the very next shift and scored thst backhand goal you didn’t say to yourself “woah this kid is a big time player”?. Let alone going from a point per game in the round robin to over 3 PPG in the medal round.

on the other hand it seems like Michkov tends to beat up on the weaker competition or score more when the games are out of hand. Still a good player, fret not.
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Frankly, it's flat out stupid to claim either one is a better clutch player right now. Both have been fantastic in big game situations.

And I have no idea where you're getting that Michkov beats up on the weaker competition.
Again, he outproduced Bedard in Bedard's sole international gold medal game. He potted 3 points in the Hlinka gold medal game a couple months ago.
I mean good heavens, Michkov just scored 2 points in 3 games against grown men at the Karjala Cup, his goal tying the game for Russia against Sweden. This is competition that would blow anything Bedard has ever faced out of the water.
Sorry but, "it seems like" just doesn't cut the mustard here.

Me think it's kind of an excuse for Bedard's current low point totals, aka "Just wait till games mean something! That's when he really turns it up!"
 
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Hanji said:
Frankly, it's flat out stupid to claim either one is a better clutch player right now. Both have been fantastic in big game situations.

And I have no idea where you're getting that Michkov beats up on the weaker competition.
Again, he outproduced Bedard in Bedard's sole international gold medal game. He potted 3 points in the Hlinka gold medal game a couple months ago.
I mean good heavens, Michkov just scored 2 points in 3 games against grown men at the Karjala Cup, his goal tying the game for Russia against Sweden. This is competition that would blow anything Bedard has ever faced out of the water.
Sorry but, "it seems like" just doesn't cut the mustard here.

Me think it's kind of an excuse for Bedard's current low point totals, aka "Just wait till games mean something! That's when he really turns it up!"
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Read the orginal comment again. "Michkov plays his best when the games matter the least and Bedard elevates his play the greater the stakes"

This was honestly said as a joke to bust the balls of the guy who said that Michkov must be more mentally tough. It's also not a direct comparison between the two, it is how their relative production changes over the course of the touneys. And yes I know that Bedard only has 1 tounrey to account for at this level and that is why it was said more tongue in cheek.

But, if you want the breakdown of Michkov's point totals in both the U-18 and the Hlinka:

Hlinka - 9 points in 3 round robin games for 3PPG, and 4 in 2 knockout for 2PPG (it was only 2 in the final and 1 was an empty net goal FYI)
U-18 - 11 in 4 round robin for 2.75, and 5 in 3 knockout for 1.66

Combined - Round robin PPG of 2.86 and knockout stage 1.8 ppg.

I'm not an idiot, obviously 1.8 PPG in any stage of those tourneys as mostly an underager is unreal but would the stats not indicate that he's been at his best when the games have mattered less in these instances? Did this cut the mustard enough or do you require further analysis? Again, take a deep breath and focus on the original comment and realize this debate isn't Michkov vs Bedard, it's them vs themselves.
 
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EichelFan15 said:
Read the orginal comment again. "Michkov plays his best when the games matter the least and Bedard elevates his play the greater the stakes"

This was honestly said as a joke to bust the balls of the guy who said that Michkov must be more mentally tough. It's also not a direct comparison between the two, it is how their relative production changes over the course of the touneys. And yes I know that Bedard only has 1 tounrey to account for at this level and that is why it was said more tongue in cheek.

But, if you want the breakdown of Michkov's point totals in both the U-18 and the Hlinka:

Hlinka - 9 points in 3 round robin games for 3PPG, and 4 in 2 knockout for 2PPG (it was only 2 in the final and 1 was an empty net goal FYI)
U-18 - 11 in 4 round robin for 2.75, and 5 in 3 knockout for 1.66

Combined - Round robin PPG of 2.86 and knockout stage 1.8 ppg.

I'm not an idiot, obviously 1.8 PPG in any stage of those tourneys as mostly an underager is unreal but would the stats not indicate that he's been at his best when the games have mattered less in these instances? Did this cut the mustard enough or do you require further analysis? Again, take a deep breath and focus on the original comment and realize this debate isn't Michkov vs Bedard, it's them vs themselves.
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Right, but you’re picking and choosing Bedard’s stats that fit your narrative. Again, Bedard hardly has any big game experience.
As such why not also analyze his recent career playoff vs regular season stats? I mean you did claim he elevates his play the greater the stakes.
2018-2020 in the CSSHL:
Regular season - 2.6 ppg
Playoffs - 1.8 ppg
Like the u18, it’s a very small playoff sample size, but at least his playoff resume is more well-rounded. Different years, different teammates, different situations. Yet he didn’t appear to elevate his game come crunch time.

Again, your claim hold no water.
 
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bigdog16 said:
I know Canadiens will hate to hear it but Michkov has simply closed the gap and nay even be a bit ahead of Bedard right now. Theres really zero argument against it
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I think Bedard will get out of this funk and start tearing it up again (too talented, and he’s creating too many chances not to), but I also think Michkov is certainly the most impressive in the draft class right now. So far he’s looking like the top Russian prospect since Ovi. Bedard last year was looking similarly special, but this year, not so much. Bedard is still unbelievably talented, making a tonne happen out there, but “generational talent” is a very high bar.

With that being said, in terms of going 1st overall, that 5 year contract Michkov signed with SKA (SKA have agreed on a new contract with Matvei Michkov - Ice Hockey Club SKA Saint Petersburg, 2020/12/12) will be very scary for teams. You could be waiting years for him to come over, like Kaprizov or Kuznetsov. That’s one thing for a mid 1st or later pick, but another for a 1st overall pick - it’d take a team with real balls (and patience) to pick him 1st overall. Or he’d have to tell them “I’m 100% going to buy out this contact and come straight to the NHL”, but that’d likely be very expensive for a guy who doesn’t yet have tonnes of money, and there’s almost no precedent for this. When young guys sign these big KHL deals, they tend to play them out.
 
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Hanji said:
Right, but you’re picking and choosing Bedard’s stats that fit your narrative. Again, Bedard hardly has any big game experience.
As such why not also analyze his recent career playoff vs regular season stats? I mean you did claim he elevates his play the greater the stakes.
2018-2020 in the CSSHL:
Regular season - 2.6 ppg
Playoffs - 1.8 ppg
Like the u18, it’s a very small playoff sample size, but at least his playoff resume is more well-rounded. Different years, different teammates, different situations. Yet he didn’t appear to elevate his game come crunch time.

Again, your claim hold no water.
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Now you’re really grasping at straws if you are talking about the 1 playoff game he played 2 years ago that ended because of COVID.

it’s okay to be wrong. Guys like you and Shahdoo make it hard to root for Michkov when he seems so likeable otherwise.
 
EichelFan15 said:
Now you’re really grasping at straws if you are talking about the 1 playoff game he played 2 years ago that ended because of COVID.

it’s okay to be wrong. Guys like you and Shahdoo make it hard to root for Michkov when he seems so likeable otherwise.
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5 games over 2 years. Which is more than the 3 at the u18 you’re claiming as the sole proof that Bedard is some sort of clutch performer who always rises to the occasion. 1/3 of his points, mind you, scored when games were already out of reach in those 3 u18 games.

Cmon. At least have some intellectual honesty. There’s nothing to suggest as such from Bedard, anymore than Michkov.
 
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5 games over 2 years. Which is more than the 3 at the u18 you’re claiming as the sole proof that Bedard is some sort of clutch performer who always rises to the occasion.

Cmon. At least have some intellectual honesty. There’s nothing to suggest as such from Bedard, anymore than Michkov.
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Haha oh 4 games he played 3 years ago as a 13 year old are included? Then we are screwed because i heard Michkov had amazing playoff stats as an 8 year old!

You are getting bent out of shape for nothing my guy it’s all in good fun as a joke comeback to the guy who came here to say Michkov must be more mentally tough. I’m sure Michkov will put up great numbers in the WJC medal rounds while Bedard either gets cut or struggles a bit so I have to use this narrative while I can!
 
Fantomas said:
Haha, such sour grapes from you as Bedard is on the verge of not even being top-3 in the draft.
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Here comes all the Russian’s to pile on when Michkov gets hot and Bedard gets cold. Haven’t we seen this episode before after the first couple games at the U-18?
 
Fantomas said:
Haha, such sour grapes from you as Bedard is on the verge of not even being top-3 in the draft.
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Definitely a possibility that he slips outside the top 5 with how deep this draft is if he doesn’t pick up the production. But I am convinced he has a clutch gene that not everyone has.
 
EichelFan15 said:
Definitely a possibility that he slips outside the top 5 with how deep this draft is if he doesn’t pick up the production. But I am convinced he has a clutch gene that not everyone has.
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He's the next Eberle for sure.
 
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