C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 2

[TheBeastCoast]

Projection is strong with this one.

What exactly am I projecting? I do not care whether Bedard is better then Michkov or Michkov is better then Bedard. Like not even a little bit. So what am I projecting? I am calling out insecure man babies that feel the need to flood another prospect thread with useless BS.

 

[JackSlater]

That may be his upside, but right now the Russian is the better player. Bedard needs to answer questions about his size, speed, strength, ability to play center, and defensive game. He’s not scoring that much either. When you aren’t scoring, the rest matters a lot more. If he’s not an elite scorer, what is he? He’s got plenty of time, but a lot of questions to answer.

I was trolling. I've barely seen highlights of either of them and haven't even looked at stats. All I know is that Bedard >> Michkov for now, and the gap could grow in the future.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

My friend, we‘re living in the 21st century, time to start overcome your stereotypes. And as far as I know, this thread is not limited to nationalities and fan groups.

Oh cut the bull shit lol me calling out Russian posters pumping Michkov in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with him has nothing to do with stereotypes. That is just you being a gaslighting twat. If you want to talk about Bedard talk about Bedard, otherwise...Michkov thread is on the left as I said to the other poster.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think way too many people are ready to classify Bedard in one category or another.

It’s Somewhat understandable because of the exceptional player status but players can take great leaps in progress from one year to the next and Exceptional players are no different in that regard. He is a undersized 16 year old playing in the WHL and by that metric alone there is nothing necessarily wrong with his start.

The talent is quite evident and it’s better to just wait and see how he puts it all together before calling him a Stamkos/Matthews at the first sign of adversity or a McDavid/Crosby at the first sign of brilliance.

I’d say this should apply for 99% of players. When you are ES and talked about as generational, you have to have almost an unblemished junior career. Crosby and McDavid did. Ovechkin did in Russia. The excuses become irrelevant if you want to be at that generational level. I think it’s very appropriate to hold this player to that standard. Maybe the standard will get lower, but that’d mean he’s not as good as suggested.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I guess it's a good thing that he is 5'9" 181 lbs then.

I remember the same things being said about Savoie, wonder how he is doing this year?

Savoie had much lower hype. Not a good comparison. Either we hold him to the Crosby/McDavid standard or we admit he’s not good enough for that. We can’t have it both ways.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Why on earth are people arguing about the height of a 16 year old? Bedard could grow another 2 years. As of now he's only listed 2 inches shorter than Crosby.

Because a 5’9 player will not be generational. It matters. It’s questionable whether a 5’9 player can even be 1OA caliber. He could still grow, but it’s a question mark until it’s not. For now, it is.

 

[GrizzGreen]

Because a 5’9 player will not be generational. It matters. It’s questionable whether a 5’9 player can even be 1OA caliber. He could still grow, but it’s a question mark until it’s not. For now, it is.

Sid is 5' 9", don't just go by the listing.

 

[Fantomas]

What exactly am I projecting? I do not care whether Bedard is better then Michkov or Michkov is better then Bedard. Like not even a little bit. So what am I projecting? I am calling out insecure man babies that feel the need to flood another prospect thread with useless BS.

It's completely on topic. Your crying isn't.

 

[Tutu to]

You mean Bedard?

Unless a lot has changed Bedard>Michkov when it it comes to skating

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It's completely on topic. Your crying isn't.

Yes. Michkov is definitely on topic in Connor Bedard's thread. I really do not care if you think I am "crying". This isn't that hard. Want to talk about the Russian kid? Go to the Russian kids thread. Want to talk about the Canadian kid...well you are in the right place.

 

[woinf]

Funny how you guys are calling the Russians insecure in this thread but as someone who literally could not care any less about a prospect's nationality, it's the North Americans/Canadians coming off as the most insecure here.

 

[BruinDust]

Because a 5’9 player will not be generational. It matters. It’s questionable whether a 5’9 player can even be 1OA caliber. He could still grow, but it’s a question mark until it’s not. For now, it is.

He's 5'9, but he's also 175-180 lbs. and he just turned 16 years old. So he's thick, and that means more than his height IMO. If he was 5'9 130-140 lbs. I could see some concern, but he's not. He may of had an early growth spurt and now his height may remain stagnant, but he's still yet to develop physically and grow into a man's body. Given he's already starting at 175-180 lbs at barely 16 years old, I'd say safe bet he'll be closer if not above 200 by the time he's 2-3 seasons into his NHL career. Ray Bourque was only 5'11 but listed at 220 lbs. Let's say for arguments sake Bedard tops out at 5'10 and 205 lbs. That won't limit his chances of being a generational talent. I think his current weight should project his size to not be a concern by the time we hit October 2023.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Because a 5’9 player will not be generational. It matters. It’s questionable whether a 5’9 player can even be 1OA caliber. He could still grow, but it’s a question mark until it’s not. For now, it is.

Guess Patrick Kane wasn't worthy of 1OA, or that Marty St Louis must have been bad, especially in the draft for size era. Weird that Gaudreau even had a 99 point season, given how short he is.

Also Crosby is not the 5'11 he's listed at. Just like Kane, he's listed higher than he is. Absolute cannons for legs in real life though.

 

[Antiillafire]

The solution is simple: Michkov must come to the WHL

 

[grentthealien]

The solution is simple: Michkov must come to the WHL

Hahaha, it would be the most ideal situation at this point.

 

[ijuka]

Guess Patrick Kane wasn't worthy of 1OA, or that Marty St Louis must have been bad, especially in the draft for size era. Weird that Gaudreau even had a 99 point season, given how short he is.

Also Crosby is not the 5'11 he's listed at. Just like Kane, he's listed higher than he is. Absolute cannons for legs in real life though.

Yeah, of these Crosby's the only center.

Crosby also was a grinder and board battler, in his game the best grinder in the game in fact. Bedard is not, he's more of a perimeter player. That's something one would need to consider when thinking about how well his skillset would translate.

If we compare Bedard to Matthews who seems like a decent comparable if we want to aim high for him, then we seriously run into the size issue.

 

[Baaaaaaaaaaaaah]

The kid just turned 16. He could end up being 8 feet tall still.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Guess Patrick Kane wasn't worthy of 1OA, or that Marty St Louis must have been bad, especially in the draft for size era. Weird that Gaudreau even had a 99 point season, given how short he is.

Also Crosby is not the 5'11 he's listed at. Just like Kane, he's listed higher than he is. Absolute cannons for legs in real life though.

Kane is 5’10. Gaudreau was a 4th round pick and St. Louis not drafted. Caufield and Rossi were both fallers in their drafts after some top five hype prior to the draft. Jack and Quinn Hughes didn’t measure at the combine because they knew it’s a relevant storyline.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yeah, of these Crosby's the only center.

Crosby also was a grinder and board battler, in his game the best grinder in the game in fact. Bedard is not, he's more of a perimeter player. That's something one would need to consider when thinking about how well his skillset would translate.

If we compare Bedard to Matthews who seems like a decent comparable if we want to aim high for him, then we seriously run into the size issue.

And while some people claim Crosby isn’t 5’11, that’s what he’s listed as. Bedard may only be 5’7/5’8 now if that’s extended to all players. It’s true that heights are sometimes inflated, but it can’t only be the convenient ones. We should go with the listed heights though. There is not a top 6 center in the NHL that is listed below 5’10.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

And while some people claim Crosby isn’t 5’11, that’s what he’s listed as. Bedard may only be 5’7/5’8 now if that’s extended to all players. It’s true that heights are sometimes inflated, but it can’t only be the convenient ones. We should go with the listed heights though. There is not a top 6 center in the NHL that is listed below 5’10.

There's also the fact that he's still a young teenager. I grew 5 inches from ages 16-19. Pretty sure Stamkos was under 6' at 16-17. So even if size is the issue you think it is, it's probably going to change unless he's genuinely the most unlucky kid out there.

 

[Bank Shot]

There's also the fact that he's still a young teenager. I grew 5 inches from ages 16-19. Pretty sure Stamkos was under 6' at 16-17. So even if size is the issue you think it is, it's probably going to change unless he's genuinely the most unlucky kid out there.

I would say the majority of boys are pretty much done height wise at 16.

Yeah there is a chance he could have a late growth spurt, but there is also a chance you can hit the gunshot straight draw on the river. I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[jj cale]

Yes. Michkov is definitely on topic in Connor Bedard's thread. I really do not care if you think I am "crying". This isn't that hard. Want to talk about the Russian kid? Go to the Russian kids thread. Want to talk about the Canadian kid...well you are in the right place.

Don't pay any attention to him, he's a notorious anti Canada guy, his views aren't to be taken seriously on the game and prospects as long as it has to do with anything where Russia and Canada cross.

He likes to shit disturb, that's his M.O. There is little of substance with his posts on these matters.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I haven't been able to catch any of his games this year, is there any consensus on the difference for Bedard between this year and last? I know the dub was pretty watered down last yea, but so much so to explain that big of a variance?

 

[kyle44]

I haven't been able to catch any of his games this year, is there any consensus on the difference for Bedard between this year and last? I know the dub was pretty watered down last yea, but so much so to explain that big of a variance?

His GM offered a few thoughts on this:

 

[wetcoast]

Listed 5'9" rarely is actually 5'9". Of course, we'll see during combine how it actually will be. 5'8" is my estimation via eyeballing and the assumption that most official listed heights for short players are overshooting their height.

And no I'm not sure how Savoie is doing in NHL, how is he doing in NHL again? Being short is obviously not an issue in CHL, the point's about short players being super stars in NHL. Also, I think that this will likely be more of an issue for Bedard than Savoie just considering play styles. But of course, we'll see what the future brings.

Also, I think that you missed my point or at least didn't address it at all. How many players have scored at such a rate while being undersized the season before draft, and were drafted amongst the top picks? Let alone first. And to make you happy, let's assume he's 5'9". Does that somehow change my point? Or did you concentrate on that minor inaccuracy because you have no actual refute? Is that the same reason you bought Savoie up even though he has absolutely nothing to do with my point either?

I brought up Savoie because he was highly touted then as a 15 year old in the WHL didn't light the world on fore and got lost in the shuffle a bit last season and had a slow start but his skillset remained.

He is in the same league as Bedard which is the WHL which is probably the most physical of the 3 CHL leagues thus can be more difficult for younger players.

Bedard isn't some shrimp out there he (and Savoie) project as thick strong players and that was my point.