C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 2

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Player D-1 seasonGamesGAPPPGDrafted
Nolan Patrick7241611021,42#2 Overall
Hunter Shinkaruk664942911,38#24 Overall
Sam Reinhart723550851,18#2 Overall
Nugent Hopkins672441650,97#1 Overall
Dylan Cozens572231530,93#7 Overall
Leon Draisaitl642137580,91#3 Overall
Sam Steel611737540,89#30 Overall
Brayden Point672433570,85#79 Overall
Connor Bedard1684120,75NA
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A little spreadsheet to provide a bit of context for Bedards D-1 season so far.

so 2 of the bottom 3 guys went on to be stars, Bedard will make it 3 out of 4.
 
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How many undersized 16yos in WHL performed like he did and went first overall?

Him being undersized hardly is irrelevant to his potential draft status, either. It's tough for a 5'8" player to be a superstar especially as a C.

I guess it's a good thing that he is 5'9" 181 lbs then.

I remember the same things being said about Savoie, wonder how he is doing this year?
 
It's funny that the first poster was out to lunch in saying that bedard came out of nowhere with 22 games when this thread was out in 2018

C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft)

Also to the part in bold the exact opposite is true, Bedard doesn't look worse, he isn't not creating scoring chances and his skills haven't deteriorated either.

Nothing is true about your childish fanboy Post. First of all, everyone who has seen Bedard play this season has seen that Bedard is not playing at the level of last season. It's actually pretty simple, the actual stat watchers just don't like it. And of course the first sentence was clearly an allusion to the post before it.

A kid goes from elite prospect to suspect in less than 2 months. Based entirely on stats. Only on hf boards.

This Kid lost polls against Michkov and Wright before season start last year and went to next McDavid in few weeks.

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And your Savoie comparisons are so ridiculous, considering that Bedard is supposed to be the next McDavid. You're just showing that Bedard should be correctly compared to the Savoies and Bensons, not the McDavids and Michkovs. At least here we agree.
 
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Michkov still outscored him in that game. If other Russian talents (Yurov, Miroshnichenko, Chibrikov, Svechkov) supported him, the outcome would have been quite the different...

Another thing is coming WJC. With his current play there is no way Bedard will make the team. While I won't be surprised, if Michkov again outscores McDavid at the same age...
 
Michkov still outscored him in that game. If other Russian talents (Yurov, Miroshnichenko, Chibrikov, Svechkov) supported him, the outcome would have been quite the different...

Another thing is coming WJC. With his current play there is no way Bedard will make the team. While I won't be surprised, if Michkov again outscores McDavid at the same age...

I Watched that game and Bedard definitely outshined Michkov.

Barely noticed Michkov despite the points.
 
Nothing is true about your childish fanboy Post. First of all, everyone who has seen Bedard play this season has seen that Bedard is not playing at the level of last season. It's actually pretty simple, the actual stat watchers just don't like it. And of course the first sentence was clearly an allusion to the post before it.



This Kid lost polls against Michkov and Wright before season start last year and went to next McDavid in few weeks.

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And your Savoie comparisons are so ridiculous, considering that Bedard is supposed to be the next McDavid. You're just showing that Bedard should be correctly compared to the Savoies and Bensons, not the McDavids and Michkovs. At least here we agree.

The kid was already hyped before his 15 year old junior season. However because of last season it was taken to another level.

Also lol at categorizing Michkov with McDavid.
 
Ok, I watched that game too and can say Michkov definitely looked better. Aside from that crazy backhander, the only thing I remember about Bedard was he let Michkov to score his goal...

I guess viewings are subjective but I remember a lot of people shared my opinion on that game.

Undersized wingers with skating issues don’t tend to be the most noticeable players on the ice.
 
The kid was already hyped before his 15 year old junior season. However because of last season it was taken to another level.

Also lol at categorizing Michkov with McDavid.


I know, only Bedard is supposed to be the next McDavid. And only Wright can go 1st OA this year. Of course only Savoie can challenge him… However, the logic of some hf posters does not always match with the reality. We'll see which prospect will dominate the next few years.

I guess viewings are subjective but I remember a lot of people shared my opinion on that game.

Viewings are subjective, right. But Michkov named MVP and best forward of the tournament are facts.
 
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Nothing is true about your childish fanboy Post. First of all, everyone who has seen Bedard play this season has seen that Bedard is not playing at the level of last season. It's actually pretty simple, the actual stat watchers just don't like it. And of course the first sentence was clearly an allusion to the post before it.



This Kid lost polls against Michkov and Wright before season start last year and went to next McDavid in few weeks.

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And your Savoie comparisons are so ridiculous, considering that Bedard is supposed to be the next McDavid. You're just showing that Bedard should be correctly compared to the Savoies and Bensons, not the McDavids and Michkovs. At least here we agree.
“Not the McDavids and Michkovs.”

Just beyond embarrassing. Try to get a grip, please, as it’s hard to take anything you say seriously when your posts are filled with ludicrous statements like this. You’ve had decades to get over Russia’s decline.
 
Yes because random Russian posters coming in an bringing the discussion to their favorite Russian is totally relevant and not at all transparent at all. Michkov thread is on the left.
The two will inevitably be compared constantly up to the draft and throughout their careers, and we should expect to see Bedard posts in the Michkov thread as well

What difference does it make where the poster is from?
 
The two will inevitably be compared constantly up to the draft and throughout their careers, and we should expect to see Bedard posts in the Michkov thread as well

What difference does it make where the poster is from?
I really do not need to spell it out for you. If you don't agree with what I said...well that is fine.
 
I guess it's a good thing that he is 5'9" 181 lbs then.

I remember the same things being said about Savoie, wonder how he is doing this year?
Listed 5'9" rarely is actually 5'9". Of course, we'll see during combine how it actually will be. 5'8" is my estimation via eyeballing and the assumption that most official listed heights for short players are overshooting their height.

And no I'm not sure how Savoie is doing in NHL, how is he doing in NHL again? Being short is obviously not an issue in CHL, the point's about short players being super stars in NHL. Also, I think that this will likely be more of an issue for Bedard than Savoie just considering play styles. But of course, we'll see what the future brings.

Also, I think that you missed my point or at least didn't address it at all. How many players have scored at such a rate while being undersized the season before draft, and were drafted amongst the top picks? Let alone first. And to make you happy, let's assume he's 5'9". Does that somehow change my point? Or did you concentrate on that minor inaccuracy because you have no actual refute? Is that the same reason you bought Savoie up even though he has absolutely nothing to do with my point either?
 
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Why on earth are people arguing about the height of a 16 year old? Bedard could grow another 2 years. As of now he's only listed 2 inches shorter than Crosby.
 
The best description I've seen is that Bedard is Michkov+.

That may be his upside, but right now the Russian is the better player. Bedard needs to answer questions about his size, speed, strength, ability to play center, and defensive game. He’s not scoring that much either. When you aren’t scoring, the rest matters a lot more. If he’s not an elite scorer, what is he? He’s got plenty of time, but a lot of questions to answer.
 
Yes because random Russian posters coming in an bringing the discussion to their favorite Russian is totally relevant and not at all transparent at all. Michkov thread is on the left.

My friend, we‘re living in the 21st century, time to start overcome your stereotypes. And as far as I know, this thread is not limited to nationalities and fan groups.
 
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He's leading the league in shots on goal by a large margin. If he was only averaging 2 shots a game, I might be worried, but the fact that he is such a strong shooter with that many shots points to him being unlucky. And the lack of assists is certainly due to a very poor supporting cast and a poor coach, not due to him having low IQ.

Valid points, but he’s been hyped as a generational player and it’s junior hockey. He should be too talented to be blaming teammates and the coach. I think the excuses can be valid explanations but also unacceptable at the same time.

I’m also worried about other parts of his game. If he’s not going to be an elite scorer, these areas get magnified that the other parts of his game are still big question marks.
 
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