I see Michkov processing the game on the level of European senior national teams and Bedard strugling in a junior league... And not just this.
C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 2
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I see Michkov processing the game on the level of European senior national teams and Bedard strugling in a junior league... And not just this.
Canada doesn’t participate in anything equivalent to the Karjala Cup, so it’s not possible to gauge how Bedard would perform in similar circumstances. And I would almost guarantee you haven’t watched one period of Bedard in the WHL to draw the conclusion that he’s struggling.
I’ve seen enough of your posts to understand you’re simply a troll and are Michkov obsessed. You’re not interested in rationale debate on this topic.
I’ve seen enough of your posts to understand you’re simply a troll and are Michkov obsessed. You’re not interested in rationale debate on this topic.
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NatusVincere
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So you saw the game yesterday? Let’s do the rationale debate. Bedard was almost invisible. His strongest scene was the giveaway at the end of the game which led to the 6:1… For a so called generational prospect struggling is a nicely description for his WHL results this season. And yeah, he is not close to Michkov these days. I wouldn’t even say that Bedard skates better, Michkov is looking much faster this season.
If we try to compare the level of the MHL and the WHL, can we say that these are about the same league in terms of strength?
Bedard in the WHL: 16g - 12p (8+4), 0,75 PPG
Michkov in the MHL: 8g - 18p (11+7), 2,25 PPG
Michkov also has achievements in Men's hockey this season.
In the KHL: 10g - 3p (2+1), 0,3 PPG
In the Karjala Cup: 3g - 3p (2+1), 1 PPG
I understand that Bedard has no no way to participate in Men's hockey, but this does not negate the fact of Michkov's success. I don't understand those who say that Bedard is #1 right now. Everything is too ambiguous.
Bedard in the WHL: 16g - 12p (8+4), 0,75 PPG
Michkov in the MHL: 8g - 18p (11+7), 2,25 PPG
Michkov also has achievements in Men's hockey this season.
In the KHL: 10g - 3p (2+1), 0,3 PPG
In the Karjala Cup: 3g - 3p (2+1), 1 PPG
I understand that Bedard has no no way to participate in Men's hockey, but this does not negate the fact of Michkov's success. I don't understand those who say that Bedard is #1 right now. Everything is too ambiguous.
They are pretty much 1A/1B right now and have been for a while.
The reason Bedard will almost certainly go #1 is that Michov will be tied to a contract in Russia for a bit while Bedard won't be.
Scouts will have watched Bedard all season long and will see his actual skillset and how he projects, some on here just stat watch and some of them should really know better.
This is more like the truth. If Michkov is #2, it's only because of his contract.
Spoken like your last post from stat watching not actual game watching, Bedard has been driving play this season in a strong conference on a weak team with a miscast line mate.
Much like people were "down" on Savoie not ripping it up like McDavid the skillset will shine through.
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He's leading the league in shots on goal by a large margin. If he was only averaging 2 shots a game, I might be worried, but the fact that he is such a strong shooter with that many shots points to him being unlucky. And the lack of assists is certainly due to a very poor supporting cast and a poor coach, not due to him having low IQ.
Michkov also plays in a weak team. Both teams (Michkov's Varyagi and Bedard's Regina) have ~ the same PPG (0,8).
If they were playing on the same ice surfaces in the same type of circumstances we would get a better picture, ie how they did at the U18s, until then comparison's between the MHL/WHL/ limited KHL setting don't mean very much as there is very little use in trying to compare the 2 in that way.
Fantomas
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I think the real question about 2023 is whether Bedard's been overtaken for #2 (Look at how good Benson and Dvorsky have been). Because he's clearly not #1 anymore.
That was the thing for me with Bedard a really long time ago(Before he even played in WHL). He looked super well trained and they talked about all his training methods and special practice and super pro attitude etc. which made me feel like perhaps that's compensating a little and then more naturally talented people might catch up after these advantages over peers disappear over time.
Of course, it doesn't always mean that such training is a bad thing, for example with McDavid he both received very special training and also was very gifted which ended up becoming quite an insane combo but that's always the risk. Right now it feels like people are catching up to Bedard left and right and he probably needs to show that he actually did not just have a training method advantage over his peers initially.
Of course, it doesn't always mean that such training is a bad thing, for example with McDavid he both received very special training and also was very gifted which ended up becoming quite an insane combo but that's always the risk. Right now it feels like people are catching up to Bedard left and right and he probably needs to show that he actually did not just have a training method advantage over his peers initially.
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At least in western Canada all these guys who are identified as elite or 'special' or whatever have the same, or similar, training oppertunities. A guy like Savoie did, the last overhyped bust from Vancouver Matt Barzal did, etc etc.
Which more naturally talented people? If they are that naturally talented, they will be identified and have similar oppertunities as Barzal. There are no unscouted gems in Canadian minor hockey by the age of 13-15. None. There are kids who will make huge leaps in ability at a later age. For various reasons, none of which i would call "more naturally talented".
A kid goes from elite prospect to suspect in less than 2 months. Based entirely on stats. Only on hf boards.
Bedard isn't as good as his last season's production suggested, and he's not as average as his this year's production suggests. We have to wait a bit more to see what will be his production at the end of the regular season, because no matter what are the circumstances, he needs to score much more if he wants to meet his hype, because there's a difference between being a top talent and being the best talent in the past few years.
I wouldn't overreact, because production in November in D-1 season is relevant only to Hfboards geeks, but the fact is Michkov sets a bar reaaaaaaaaally high both eye-test wise and production-wise every time he steps to the ice.
I wouldn't overreact, because production in November in D-1 season is relevant only to Hfboards geeks, but the fact is Michkov sets a bar reaaaaaaaaally high both eye-test wise and production-wise every time he steps to the ice.
NatusVincere
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A kid goes from almost unknown to generational in 22 games. Only on hf. These stat watcher statements are boring. Everyone seeing Bedard these days knows that he is not looking like at the worlds U18.
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I think way too many people are ready to classify Bedard in one category or another.
It’s Somewhat understandable because of the exceptional player status but players can take great leaps in progress from one year to the next and Exceptional players are no different in that regard. He is a undersized 16 year old playing in the WHL and by that metric alone there is nothing necessarily wrong with his start.
The talent is quite evident and it’s better to just wait and see how he puts it all together before calling him a Stamkos/Matthews at the first sign of adversity or a McDavid/Crosby at the first sign of brilliance.
It’s Somewhat understandable because of the exceptional player status but players can take great leaps in progress from one year to the next and Exceptional players are no different in that regard. He is a undersized 16 year old playing in the WHL and by that metric alone there is nothing necessarily wrong with his start.
The talent is quite evident and it’s better to just wait and see how he puts it all together before calling him a Stamkos/Matthews at the first sign of adversity or a McDavid/Crosby at the first sign of brilliance.
It's funny that the first poster was out to lunch in saying that bedard came out of nowhere with 22 games when this thread was out in 2018
C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft)
Also to the part in bold the exact opposite is true, Bedard doesn't look worse, he isn't not creating scoring chances and his skills haven't deteriorated either.
But to people simply looking at stats sure there is a bump in the road here.
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| Player D-1 season | Games | G | A | P | PPG | Drafted |
| Nolan Patrick | 72 | 41 | 61 | 102 | 1,42 | #2 Overall |
| Hunter Shinkaruk | 66 | 49 | 42 | 91 | 1,38 | #24 Overall |
| Sam Reinhart | 72 | 35 | 50 | 85 | 1,18 | #2 Overall |
| Nugent Hopkins | 67 | 24 | 41 | 65 | 0,97 | #1 Overall |
| Dylan Cozens | 57 | 22 | 31 | 53 | 0,93 | #7 Overall |
| Leon Draisaitl | 64 | 21 | 37 | 58 | 0,91 | #3 Overall |
| Sam Steel | 61 | 17 | 37 | 54 | 0,89 | #30 Overall |
| Brayden Point | 67 | 24 | 33 | 57 | 0,85 | #79 Overall |
| Connor Bedard | 16 | 8 | 4 | 12 | 0,75 | NA |
Fantomas
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How many undersized 16yos in WHL performed like he did and went first overall?
Him being undersized hardly is irrelevant to his potential draft status, either. It's tough for a 5'8" player to be a superstar especially as a C.
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