I mean what came out of the Q in the last decade is pretty damn comparable to what came out of the WHL. I think it is silly to act like scouts are never wrong and never miss on a player. There is a pretty good chance a lot of people were wrong about Dumais, that stuff happens. It is also interesting you said you didn't say his production was a product of Lawrence and Doucet but then finish off your post by then qualify his production improvement based off of those two being added onto the team when first off like I said his production actually slowed with the addition of those two as the offense was more spread out and secondly....all three play on different lines. Any of the Bedard talk with Dumais is straight up foolish but I am not here for any of this talk about the Q being some third rate league. Put together an all current team WHL and a current team QMJHL. I could atleast respect your opinion if you were regularly watching the Mooseheads like I do...but yeah I don't respect it at all.
Well Im glad you support the junior leagues; always wanted a local team but wasnt done
but that wont change that yes, the QMJHL has been a third rate league the last decade for whats been pushed out of there.. but after some digging it may be the WHL is worse than I thought and is right there with them
And this is coming from a Devils fan where three of my best forwards are Q players.
Since the 2013 draft (and we ALL know thats being kind) from the Q you have;
2013 - MacKinnon, Weegar, Graves, Mantha, Drouin
2014 - Ehlers, Barbashev
2015 - Meier, Chabot, Beauvilier, Sprong, Garland, Carrier
2016 - Dubois, Girard
2017 - Hischier, Batherson
2018 - Dobson
2019 - Pinard, Pelletier
2020 - Mercer, Lafreniere
Perhaps I missed a few names and we still have guys in recent drafts making their ways up the ranks; so we will be fair and give them some time
2013 - 2020 WHL
13 - Jones, Morrissey, Bjorkstrand, Pulock, Jarry
14 - Draisaitl, Reinhart, Point, Sanheim
15 - Provorov, Barzal, Carlo
16 - Hart, Bean
17 - Jokiharju, Skinner
18 - None
19 - Cozens, Dach
20 - Jarvis, Schneider
QMJHL players were taken top-2 rounds 63 times in those drafts. WHL was taken 80 times.
So the WHL is definitely weaker than I remembered. But that doesnt change that the Q is, in fact, a third rate development league now... It just also means so is the WHL. Plus my statement of 'harder comp' was mainly tied in to Bedard's team being much lower in the standings than the Mooseheads in the Q.
So I still stand by most of what I said about Dumais other than the fact that I remembered the W a little more fondly than I probably should have. Its likely no better than the Q - but both are garbage by today's standards with the rise of USNDTP and Europe (and the O always reigns supreme)
Fun little research project though. And no matter how I see it (or was wrong about the W) I wish Dumais and Bedard the best and may Dumais prove me wrong and supply me with some tasty crow in a few years time.
Dufour was not 21. He put up 116 points as an 02 when "overage" players in the Q were 01s. He's the same age as Lawrence and Doucet and could've played in the Q again this year. The 26 game sample is also strange to pick on since he scored 17 goals in those games on a rebuilding Drummondville team.
He was a beast at the Memorial Cup, excellent at the summer World Junior and is also having a great rookie season in the AHL. He's a good prospect.
I know hes a good prospect, got a few Isles buddies of mine.
My point was Juniors numbers fluctuate so violently sometimes when theres shifts in balance between teams. 17 goals in 29 games or not, going to 100+ in only 30+ more games is a major leap. And idt anyone would say he got considerably better during that span (he was always a good prospect) but the numbers would have you thinking he grew a third arm