C Connor Bedard (2023, 1st, CHI) Part 6
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Mr Buckles
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...and a 0-7 loss to McKenna.
Bedard seems to have gone cold lately, compared to his usual standards.
He got bored to score at will on the WHL. Happened to me when i played NHL 94 against by younger brother back in the days
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The Bedard doubters are punching air right now
Mathieukferland
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Nothing to see here and I think McKenna is going to be an excellent prospect but this is just coincidence.2 games vs McKenna
2 losses - Bedard 1 goal vs McKenna 1 goal, 3 assists
He’s so versatile because of all the offensive threats he possesses. I feel like if he was on a team that needed a shooter, he could be an elite sniper or he could choose to be an elite playmaker too. Cool to see. Very talented kid. The hyperbole can get out of hand at times but damn he’s dangerous.
“I try to watch a good amount of Columbus’ games and I’ll text him afterward,” Bedard told The Athletic earlier this season. “It’s cool when you have a relationship with somebody who’s in the NHL and you can text him about stuff if you have a question.
This is from Portzline’s Athletic article today. Bedard and Kent Johnson are close friends. They talk about growing up together and such.
This is from Portzline’s Athletic article today. Bedard and Kent Johnson are close friends. They talk about growing up together and such.
Hopefully he can do that next season after he finishes games with the Canucks eh.
Probably not but as a lifelong Canucks fan I'd like to dream a little bit here.Not likely - he can visit Vancouver in the offseason.
Since I feel like the discourse here is a bit empty and and with a very heavy domain use of eliteprospects, I'm curious. I don't watch a lot of prospects outside of Sweden unless it's international. I have seen a small share of Bedard games outside of highlights, and I am curious. Has anyone here watched a significant amount of Bedard games(and preferably prospect Mcdavid) and for real thinks he projects at the same level? From my limited viewings, I feel like Bedard is probably still the best draft year prospect in 5+ years, and I feel like there is no chance he won't score a LOT in the league, but I have a hard time seeing him guaranteed having a overall impact on the game as the "generational" tag everyone throws around would indicate, at least in let's say the first 5 years of his career.
Curious to hear opinions of people that watched the games! Please don't throw any goals and assists comparisons to previous CHL prospects at me, because I do not care.
Curious to hear opinions of people that watched the games! Please don't throw any goals and assists comparisons to previous CHL prospects at me, because I do not care.
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On development alone, where would you say the best place for him to land is among the tanking teams? Places with 1) Good coach 2) Good culture 3) Teammates who can take some pressure off him
Columbus:
Terrible coach (though probably replaced) and Laine and Gaudreau are questionable leaders
San Jose:
Couture could help him and Karlsson is a star to take the pressure off. Would be a good spot
Chicago:
Tire fire.
Anaheim:
I'd trade Zegras if I was them and won the lottery and then build around him and McTavish down the middle. Henrique is a good vet to have around but would be nice to add some two-way vets to teach him to play the right way.
Montreal:
I think this would be a solid spot. Martin St Louis is good and there's a decent mix of vets. The pressure would be be insane though.
Arizona:
A bit less of a tire fire than Chicago. The players seem to care and they have a good goalie. Ownership is a disaster though.
Philly:
Torts would teach him the right way to play. Team culture seems to be a problem though.
Vancouver:
I like Tocchet as a good coach for him and there's a good mix of vets. Playing in his home town could be good or bad. Tons of pressure.
St Louis
At the start of the year I would have said that's the best spot, not so sure now.
Detroit:
Yzerman would be good, not so sure about Lalonde. Larkin, Seider and Raymond would take some pressure off. Would be a good spot for him.
Washington:
That would be unfair but obviously being around Ovie would shield him some.
Columbus:
Terrible coach (though probably replaced) and Laine and Gaudreau are questionable leaders
San Jose:
Couture could help him and Karlsson is a star to take the pressure off. Would be a good spot
Chicago:
Tire fire.
Anaheim:
I'd trade Zegras if I was them and won the lottery and then build around him and McTavish down the middle. Henrique is a good vet to have around but would be nice to add some two-way vets to teach him to play the right way.
Montreal:
I think this would be a solid spot. Martin St Louis is good and there's a decent mix of vets. The pressure would be be insane though.
Arizona:
A bit less of a tire fire than Chicago. The players seem to care and they have a good goalie. Ownership is a disaster though.
Philly:
Torts would teach him the right way to play. Team culture seems to be a problem though.
Vancouver:
I like Tocchet as a good coach for him and there's a good mix of vets. Playing in his home town could be good or bad. Tons of pressure.
St Louis
At the start of the year I would have said that's the best spot, not so sure now.
Detroit:
Yzerman would be good, not so sure about Lalonde. Larkin, Seider and Raymond would take some pressure off. Would be a good spot for him.
Washington:
That would be unfair but obviously being around Ovie would shield him some.
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I don’t think pressure will get to this kid much. He seems to be the kind who will do his thing regardless or be even better.
I’m biased so i want him with the habs, lol. But i think Vancouver could be a solid spot for him.
I was worried before the WJC about the pressure of Montreal or here in Vancouver but the kid obviously thrives on it based on that tourney.
I'm a nuck fan with the last name of Pelletier so I'd be ecstatic for him to be a nuck but the Habs getting him might be the kick in the arss for me to re-kindle my love for them.
I do honestly think Vancouver is the best spot simply because we have EP40 and JT which would allow him too either play wing in the top 6 or perhaps 3C with guys like Podkolzin, and another of young wingers. I think there would be far less pressure in thar regard.
By saying that I mean no shade on Dach or Suzuki but it's fair to say Bedard probably gets 1c minutes which might work out great but it's also possible with the young wingers there not great defensively it might all be to much.
Admittedly I'm not an expert on the roster but I don't see a lot of great 2way wingers and I can't see them using Bedard as a winger or on a 3rd line like in Vancouver.
That being said a couple years from now that could all be moot but the numerous posters saying he will catapult the habs in to the playoffs right away are way off imo.
I see a similar situation to Jack Hughes first season when there just wasn't enough around to insulate him but like Jack, 3 years from now I'd expect Bedard to be the best player on his team.
Curious what everyone thinks about the meta-angle of drafting a kid like Bedard, who will need a $16m contract in three years, rather than a less "generational" prospect (someone like Benson, just as an example) who may still be an impact player, but maybe not Bedard's immediate capacity at the NHL level, who you then might be able to get on a more favourable second contract/bridge contract.
Because as we saw with some of the biggest contracts (like McDavid's, despite it being well-deserved) can handcuff a GM's ability to build out a true contender until the later years, where the percentage of the cap that the contract consumes is more favourable to the team, and the top player(s) can be surrounded with more competitive depth players sooner into their prime years.
I know the quick answer is "who cares, you just draft Bedard," but I am considering the fans who will have to cope in the 2-9 spots.
Because as we saw with some of the biggest contracts (like McDavid's, despite it being well-deserved) can handcuff a GM's ability to build out a true contender until the later years, where the percentage of the cap that the contract consumes is more favourable to the team, and the top player(s) can be surrounded with more competitive depth players sooner into their prime years.
I know the quick answer is "who cares, you just draft Bedard," but I am considering the fans who will have to cope in the 2-9 spots.
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"tire fire"
yeah, ok. They're just tanking with a new regime in charge, it's not that deep. The full commitment to the tank/pick collection shows a collective dedication to focusing on the future, which certainly would usually be correlated with a commitment on developing and supporting young players. It's the "half in, half out" rebuilds that always worry me the most, like whatever Edmonton did all those years.
yeah, ok. They're just tanking with a new regime in charge, it's not that deep. The full commitment to the tank/pick collection shows a collective dedication to focusing on the future, which certainly would usually be correlated with a commitment on developing and supporting young players. It's the "half in, half out" rebuilds that always worry me the most, like whatever Edmonton did all those years.
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It’s all about team and cap management. The Penguins were able to do it for years.
When Crosby first signed his $8.7 million contract, it was a 17.3% cap hit. McDavid’s contract is only 16.6% and he should most definitely be at the league max.
You can have good depth players while also paying your top players. But, where you get into trouble is when you overpay for guys like Jack Campbell and Darnell Nurse. In the case of Edmonton, it’s purely incompetent cap and team management.
Bridge contracts can also be a big hindrance to a team long term. It’s a double-edge sword though. Do you know how much more money Jack Hughes or Tim Stützle could be making if they took a two year bridge? Both of those guys look like franchise players and make very reasonable contracts.
You pay the star player.
What handcuffed Oilers are not the contracts to Draisaitl and McDavid. What handcuffed them are, well, all the other contracts to all the other players. Draisaitl and McDavid are both steals.
Among the truly bad teams, I want to see Bedard go to Columbus solely because I trust their management to put a competent team around him more so than any of the other bottom feeders. As an Oilers fan it's painful to see their management squander McDavid's generational talent.
And as noted above McDrai making a combined 21 million is a bargain. It's the Nurse and Campbell contracts that are the real killers.
And as noted above McDrai making a combined 21 million is a bargain. It's the Nurse and Campbell contracts that are the real killers.
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I wouldn't, I'd move one of the three (probably Zegras) to the wing full time but I definitely would not be trading Zegras unless the return was absolutely bananas out of this world, Zegras is probably our best player right now (at least 2nd best behind Terry) no idea why we would ever trade him unless he fell off a cliff big time
I don't think any GM in the league should be trading a 21-year-old with back-to-back 60+ point seasons in his rookie and sophomore seasons on some of the worst teams ever assembled unless they were receiving the world in return.
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I'm a Bruins fan and obviously he isn't going there but I want to see him placed in the best spot to develop into a generational player. I think there have been a few guys in the last decade or so who could have done that, or at least been a superstar but landed on a team with bad culture or the wrong mix.
