C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

[majormajor]

For context, here's Fantilli's stats by each linemate he's shared the ice with.

In 86 minutes with Laine, they've been outscored 8-2, with an xG% of 38%.

In 82 minutes without Laine, Fantilli's lines have scored 55.5% of the goals and 52.7% of the xG.

The kid unfortunately is temporarily being sacrificed while Laine recovers from a concussion, so that the other lines can be spared.

Tonight the duo will be paired with Justin Danforth, and that might actually be a significant help. He has consistently had the best play driving results on the team. We'll see which force is stronger!

 

[BB88]

Columbus fans are going to try to dunk on me, but 10 points in 24 games. His SH% is low, and with a normal SH% he could be at or a little above .5PPG, but he’s not playing up to expectations. The problem isn’t minutes or linemates. They aren’t playing playing him 13 minutes on the third line with no PP.

Fantilli was supposed to contend for the Calder. Forget the Calder. He might not hit 30 points. Half of the people on this website were comparing him to Eichel for stupid reasons. Eichel had 56 points in 81 games in his rookie season.

He could go on a tear, but it’s looking like a bad decision to pass up on Michkov.

Talk about delusional…

Fantilli has exactly shown how lucky Columbus was to be in position to draft him


Not in a million years would they trade him for Michkov

 

[Kshahdoo]

Talk about delusional…

Fantilli has exactly shown how lucky Columbus was to be in position to draft him


Not in a million years would they trade him for Michkov

We shal see what you say in 5 years...

 

[BB88]

We shal see what you say in 5 years...

& that has what to do with today?

Anyways Fantilli is showing true franchise 1C potential, if he hits that it doesn’t matter what Michkov becomes

 

[Kalv]

We shal see what you say in 5 years...

And you as well. Just because you're confident in something, doesn't mean it will become true.

Which of your prognosis before has become true?

 

[stevo61]

stupid Columbus fans having a positive opinion on a player they actually watch. Why not save a couple hours in the day and just check the box scores after a game and form an opinion based on the goals and assists columns

 

[Kshahdoo]

And you as well. Just because you're confident in something, doesn't mean it will become true.

Which of your prognosis before has become true?

Panarin is going to be better than Johnny Hockey? I mean I said this when Artemi wasn't even in NHL...

 

[Kalv]

stupid Columbus fans having a positive opinion on a player they actually watch. Why not save a couple hours in the day and just check the box scores after a game and form an opinion based on the goals and assists columns

This thread needs a Beckham "Be honest" meme with the doomers admitting they only stat-check

Panarin is going to be better than Johnny Hockey? I mean I said this when Artemi wasn't even in NHL...

Good for you man. Have you ever been wrong before as well? Just out of curiostiy

My point is: no matter how confident you feel, that statement should be looked from both sides down the road. And there is a decent chance you end up on the wrong side.

They both will have long and successful careers.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Columbus fans are going to try to dunk on me, but 10 points in 24 games. His SH% is low, and with a normal SH% he could be at or a little above .5PPG, but he’s not playing up to expectations. The problem isn’t minutes or linemates. They aren’t playing playing him 13 minutes on the third line with no PP.

Fantilli was supposed to contend for the Calder. Forget the Calder. He might not hit 30 points. Half of the people on this website were comparing him to Eichel for stupid reasons. Eichel had 56 points in 81 games in his rookie season.

He could go on a tear, but it’s looking like a bad decision to pass up on Michkov.

Didn’t you say Charlie Stramel would go third overall? You don’t exactly have a great future track record?

 

[Crazy8oooo]

The problem with Fantilli is his PDO is low right now. It should rebound.

Meanwhile, if Michkov were actually serious about being an NHL player, he wouldn't have played mind games with teams in a position to draft him and he wouldn't be wasting his time in Russia right now. He might have the skill but he totally lacks commitment.

I think Cbus was right in picking Fantilli, but how exactly was Michkov going to get out of his contract by not playing games with some of the teams he supposedly said he wouldn’t play for? You think Philly doesn’t want him over here now if they could have him?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Didn’t you say Charlie Stramel would go third overall? You don’t exactly have a great future track record?

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that anytime recently, but maybe I said something two or three years ago. If so, what a terrible track record predicting a first round pick. Look who has started the most threads in this section for first round picks. Its me. Awful track record that must be. Always weird when posters claim to know my posting history I don’t know myself.

That also has literally nothing to do with Fantilli. I guess we aren’t supposed to tell the truth because it’s going to prompt personal attacks. Won’t deter me. Have to call it as I see it.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Look, I am very impressed with Michkov. I think he was clearly getting underrated around the draft. But Fantilli is also excellent and he fits the Blue Jackets both from the position he plays and when he would be available to them. They were clear that they wanted a C. I have no doubt that Michkov is going to be absolutely fantastic for the Flyers. But I also think that Fantilli will be great for the Blue Jackets. He will bring so much to the team beyond the scoreboard. If he spends the entirety of his career in Columbus, I don't think they will have any reason to regret picking him. Can we please not make this thread about Michkov or the prospect projection abilities of particular users?

 

[BB88]

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that anytime recently, but maybe I said something two or three years ago. If so, what a terrible track record predicting a first round pick. Look who has started the most threads in this section for first round picks. Its me. Awful track record that must be. Always weird when posters claim to know my posting history I don’t know myself.

That also has literally nothing to do with Fantilli. I guess we aren’t supposed to tell the truth because it’s going to prompt personal attacks. Won’t deter me. Have to call it as I see it.

What truth are you exactly telling? It’s impossible for someone who doesn’t watch Fantilli play.

I can tell you zero Columbus fans have thought about Michkov this season

 

[King In The North]

Why the f would Columbus want another winger, it was either Carlsson or Fantilli and either would have been 100% the correct choice.

 

[BB88]

Why the f would Columbus want another winger, it was either Carlsson or Fantilli and either would have been 100% the correct choice.

No one in Columbus is talking about Michkov or what a mistake they made.

Only the ultra Michkov fans keep pushing that agenda. They just couldn’t be more wrong

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

No one in Columbus is talking about Michkov or what a mistake they made.

Only the ultra Michkov fans keep pushing that agenda. They just couldn’t be more wrong

Maybe you should be.

All I keep hearing is that Columbus didn’t need a winger.

Are they not last place in their division? It seems pretty stupid to be drafting for need when you need a complete rebuild. The teams that don’t end up building a successful contender are the ones that take shortcuts, which includes drafting lesser players for need.

The fact you are talking in these terms tells me you don’t get what’s wrong with your own team. Hab fans may take shots at Michkov all the time, but I give them credit that they do so because they are bitter and seem to acknowledge their mistake.

 

[stevo61]

Maybe you should be.

All I keep hearing is that Columbus didn’t need a winger.

Are they not last place in their division? It seems pretty stupid to be drafting for need when you need a complete rebuild. The teams that don’t end up building a successful contender are the ones that take shortcuts, which includes drafting lesser players for need.

The fact you are talking in these terms tells me you don’t get what’s wrong with your own team. Hab fans may take shots at Michkov all the time, but I give them credit that they do so because they are bitter and seem to acknowledge their mistake.

Michkov really would have helped us out of the bottom eh? We can see what wrong with our team now and future, Fantilli checks off many more boxes than Michkov does. Also lesser point totals doesnt have to equal lesser player

 

[BB88]

Maybe you should be.

All I keep hearing is that Columbus didn’t need a winger.

Are they not last place in their division? It seems pretty stupid to be drafting for need when you need a complete rebuild. The teams that don’t end up building a successful contender are the ones that take shortcuts, which includes drafting lesser players for need.

The fact you are talking in these terms tells me you don’t get what’s wrong with your own team. Hab fans may take shots at Michkov all the time, but I give them credit that they do so because they are bitter and seem to acknowledge their mistake.

Where exactly did you answer to how many games from Fantilli have you watched?

& now you try to attack by using the good old threy just drafted Fantilli because of position……
Unreal.

Fantilli is a positive play driver on the worst team in the East
Fantilli has been one of Columbus best players as a rookie
Fantilli creates scoring chances every game, every game he’s dangerous.

He has elite tools which he’s already showing as a rookie and leadership that will have him wear C on his chest one day.

But oh no here come the ultra Michkov fans to tell how the world is ending.
Franchise C is always more valuable than a franchise C

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Michkov really would have helped us out of the bottom eh? We can see what wrong with our team now and future, Fantilli checks off many more boxes than Michkov does. Also lesser point totals doesnt have to equal lesser player

What boxes are those?

Why would you be trying to manufacture a way out of the bottom that isn’t the team organically building a better team?

 

[BB88]

What boxes are those?

Why would you be trying to manufacture a way out of the bottom that isn’t the team organically building a better team?

Could you just not be in a players thread you have no clue about?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Where exactly did you answer to how many games from Fantilli have you watched?

& now you try to attack by using the good old threy just drafted Fantilli because of position……
Unreal.

Fantilli is a positive play driver on the worst team in the East
Fantilli has been one of Columbus best players as a rookie
Fantilli creates scoring chances every game, every game he’s dangerous.

He has elite tools which he’s already showing as a rookie and leadership that will have him wear C on his chest one day.

But oh no here come the ultra Michkov fans to tell how the world is ending.
Franchise C is always more valuable than a franchise C

I’ve watched half a dozen, probably. Don’t have an exact answer for you, but I watch more Metro games than any other division for obvious reasons.

I happened to watch yesterday’s game after my post. Good for Fantilli that he scored. Seems like a nice kid. That’s also besides the point, as is how many games I’ve watched.

The players shouldn’t be judged on how many games HFBoards members have watched of them.

They will be judged on how they play, and their points/goals totals have to be the #1 determination, as it is for almost all players around the league. You can try to stress the positives that Fantilli is actually living up to the expectations, but if you were told he had 11 points in his first 25 games you’d probably be underwhelmed, and I think you know that.

 

[Mrfenn92]

This is the Adam Fantilli thread right?

 

[BB88]

I’ve watched half a dozen, probably. Don’t have an exact answer for you, but I watch more Metro games than any other division for obvious reasons.

I happened to watch yesterday’s game after my post. Good for Fantilli that he scored. Seems like a nice kid. That’s also besides the point, as is how many games I’ve watched.

The players shouldn’t be judged on how many games HFBoards members have watched of them.

They will be judged on how they play, and their points/goals totals have to be the #1 determination, as it is for almost all players around the league. You can try to stress the positives that Fantilli is actually living up to the expectations, but if you were told he had 11 points in his first 25 games you’d probably be underwhelmed, and I think you know that.

If you want to talk as your words being facts and truths yeah you should

6 out of 25 is a pathetic number to try to come here and try to throw Michkov down everyones throats.

As you love to ignore the facts because they hurt you Fantilli has been a positive driver on the worst team in the league and one of their best players as a rookie
= oh no the world is ending!!!!!

Michkov would get absolutely destroyed on that lineup

Leading scorer in Columbus has 18 points, Gaudreu 13, Fantilli 11. Don’t let that come in the way.

Now go hype Michkov and his run on an inferior league in his thread

I’ve watched half a dozen, probably. Don’t have an exact answer for you, but I watch more Metro games than any other division for obvious reasons.

I happened to watch yesterday’s game after my post. Good for Fantilli that he scored. Seems like a nice kid. That’s also besides the point, as is how many games I’ve watched.

The players shouldn’t be judged on how many games HFBoards members have watched of them.

They will be judged on how they play, and their points/goals totals have to be the #1 determination, as it is for almost all players around the league. You can try to stress the positives that Fantilli is actually living up to the expectations, but if you were told he had 11 points in his first 25 games you’d probably be underwhelmed, and I think you know that.

If you want to talk by facts then yeat you should

6 out of 25 is a pathetic number to try to come here and try to throw Michkov down everyones throats.

As you love to ignore the facts because they hurt you Fantilli has been a positive driver on the worst team in the East and one of their best players as a rookie
= oh no the world is ending!!!!!

Michkov would get absolutely destroyed on that lineup

 

[Mrfenn92]

And you come off extremely passive-aggressive. You always try to take shots at me, yet never will quote my posts. Then you claim you weren’t actually doing exactly what we both know you were doing.

Why would I be bitter? I’m a fan of none of these teams.

I think it’s crazy that Columbus fans are happy with Fantilli, and aren’t asking themselves why they passed up Michkov. I don’t say the same in the Reinbacher thread because Habs fans don’t lie to themselves about it. They recognize the mistake, and I don’t need to belabor that.

Carlsson is succeeding beyond what anyone would’ve expected, although I think it’s probably not sustainable. I’m open to being proven wrong. If Fantilli was a Calder contender with 20 points in 25 games, the argument I’d be making would have less merit and I’d wait to see. Right now, it’s about as obvious as can be.

And frankly, Michkov was picky about what teams he’d go to. He didn’t want Arizona, so I think their decision is less stupid. They would’ve had to trade his rights eventually. He probably wouldn’t have wanted Arizona or San Jose. Columbus has a a number of his former SKA teammates. There’s a good chance he’d want to play with them. The Russians usually like to play where there are numerous of them.

Buddy you’re coming off bad. No other way around it. Columbus is very happy with who they drafted. The end. All you’re doing is inviting people to give you crap because you want to keep shoving michkov down people’s throats in a thread about Adam Fantilli.
I mean make a poll between both young players and do the posting there.

 

[SoundAndFury]

I think it’s crazy that Columbus fans are happy with Fantilli, and aren’t asking themselves why they passed up Michkov. I don’t say the same in the Reinbacher thread because Habs fans don’t lie to themselves about it. They recognize the mistake, and I don’t need to belabor that.

Please stop. Michkov hasn't proven anything. Yakupov also played great for the Neftekhimik during the lockout, it led nowhere. Fantilli has all the chances to end up being better player than Michkov, you just choose to not see it because Michkov HAS TO be the best thing since bread and butter.