C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

[93LEAFS]

As you say to equally do this would necessitate acquiring a top 6C to play in the 1C role and Jenner in the 2C. A top 6C for short term 2-4 yrs (Couture or Pageau type) or big swing longer term 5-8 yrs (Lindholm or Hertl type) and keep them there in the 1C until Adam is ready then drop them down to the 2C. Then move Jenner back to wing.

I don’t think Jarmo is done but it’s going to be harder because most teams are up against the cap and requires hockey trades.

No, it's just a different situation. I'm just saying how it played in the Babs/Matthews era

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Nice 35 year old top prospect you have there

Here are two other prospects who like Fantilli, are older than they appear, THAT'S because they faked their age so they could be more developed by the time thye get drafted. Neither of the two have shown much growth since. Will Fantilli follow the same growth plateau as these two?

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[BB88]

Here are two other prospects who like Fantilli, are older than they appear, THAT'S because they faked their age so they could be more developed by the time thye get drafted. Neither of the two have shown much growth since. Will Fantilli follow the same growth plateau as these two?

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I know it’s a joke but what eases the concerns is Fantillis skating, he’s a top tier skater unlike Laf for example and that’s been limiting his game at the NHL level.
There’s just nothing elite screaming about Lafs game.

Fantilli has elite physical tools+ elite skating& insane drive to get better

Ekblad was similar as well, but again his skating is/was average at best

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I know it’s a joke but what eases the concerns is Fantillis skating, he’s a top tier skater unlike Laf for example and that’s been limiting his game at the NHL level.
There’s just nothing elite screaming about Lafs game.

Fantilli has elite physical tools+ elite skating& insane drive to get better

Ekblad was similar as well, but again his skating is/was average at best

Very true.

Both Laf and Wright also lack drive and a motor that Fantilli has in spades.

 

[Boonk]

Nemec and Jiricek are D, there was absolutely 0 surprise either of them were in the AHL and wouldn't be surprising to see either of them in the AHL again this season.

You really wanna compare Wright and Fantilli?

Fantillis comparison just won the Calder...

And Fantilli id argue is in a tier above him seeing how he put up as many points in his freshman season as Matty did his entire two years at the same school, playing in the same system a year apart.

The AHL is a much harder level than NCAA hockey. No clue as to why you’re shitting on what would be a good development path for him if he can’t cut it in the NHL. He’d even slide his ELC another year.

 

[CBJx614]

The AHL is a much harder level than NCAA hockey. No clue as to why you’re shitting on what would be a good development path for him if he can’t cut it in the NHL. He’d even slide his ELC another year.

It could be a good path, if he was struggling like Sillinger did this season, but it's extremely unlikely that Fantilli is on the struggle bus that hard. He's a tier above a guy like Berniers who had no issue in the NHL. I fully expect Fantilli to put up 45-50+ this season.

 

[Boonk]

It could be a good path, if he was struggling like Sillinger did this season, but it's extremely unlikely that Fantilli is on the struggle bus that hard. He's a tier above a guy like Berniers who had no issue in the NHL. I fully expect Fantilli to put up 45-50+ this season.

I expect him to more than likely stick full time in the NHL. I could also see him getting anywhere from 40-60ish pts depending on how he’s deployed in his rookie season. Columbus has a lot of skilled forward depth he can play with.

 

[CBJx614]

I expect him to more than likely stick full time in the NHL. I could also see him getting anywhere from 40-60ish pts depending on how he’s deployed in his rookie season. Columbus has a lot of skilled forward depth he can play with.

I imagine Babs will put him in the best position for him to succeed, however when you look at the center depth... He might already be the 2nd best center on the team behind Boone. And that's only because you don't wanna throw him into the flames right away. I think he might actually be the 1C by the end of the season.

 

[Long Live Lyle]

The AHL is a much harder level than NCAA hockey. No clue as to why you’re shitting on what would be a good development path for him if he can’t cut it in the NHL. He’d even slide his ELC another year.

It’s certainly a fine option if he’s not NHL-ready. Much better than NCAA for him at his current skill level/physical development.

I hope CBJ don’t rush him to NHL if he’s not ready (and he very well might be ready; in fact, I think it’s more likely than not that he is ready for a 3rd or 2nd line NHL role, even if not top line) but I’m glad they signed him regardless. He was already the best player in college hockey last year. Time for him to step it up a level, whether NHL or AHL.

 

[93LEAFS]

Very true.

Both Laf and Wright also lack drive and a motor that Fantilli has in spades.

Laf didn't lack motor. What he lacked was a clear skill set that would provide seperation to utilize his IQ at the NHL level, which was why I was always down on him relative to McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, and Eichel. The biggest difference between Laf and Fantilli from a skill set is that Fantilli has multiple ways to create seperation and time on the puck whether it is strength or skating, the question with him is more if he has the IQ to utilizie the time and space he is able to create to it's fullest, and if his brain can keep up with the pace he plays the game at.

 

[BB88]

Laf didn't lack motor. What he lacked was a clear skill set that would provide seperation to utilize his IQ at the NHL level, which was why I was always down on him relative to McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, and Eichel. The biggest difference between Laf and Fantilli from a skill set is that Fantilli has multiple ways to create seperation and time on the puck whether it is strength or skating, the question with him is more if he has the IQ to utilizie the time and space he is able to create to it's fullest, and if his brain can keep up with the pace he plays the game at.

Lafs has always looked like he’s skating in mud at the NHL level.

 

[Herby]

The AHL is almost always a terrible place for teenagers to develop. Sometimes for Europeans with multiple years of pro hockey it can be a useful bridge, but for NCAA players it's not ideal.

I am fine with Fantilli leaving for the NHL, I thought he was ready and when you are ready for the NHL you should usually go. If he spends time in the AHL it would be very disappointing.

 

[GrizzGreen]

The AHL is almost always a terrible place for teenagers to develop. Sometimes for Europeans with multiple years of pro hockey it can be a useful bridge, but for NCAA players it's not ideal.

Agree. Useful to get used to NA ice for sure.

Not great to develop in objectively a rougher league than the NHL.

 

[CBJx614]

 

[majormajor]

The AHL is almost always a terrible place for teenagers to develop. Sometimes for Europeans with multiple years of pro hockey it can be a useful bridge, but for NCAA players it's not ideal.

I am fine with Fantilli leaving for the NHL, I thought he was ready and when you are ready for the NHL you should usually go. If he spends time in the AHL it would be very disappointing.

Agree. Useful to get used to NA ice for sure.

Not great to develop in objectively a rougher league than the NHL.

I don't know if college hockey is less rough really, there are kids there that run around trying to put each other through the boards. I had a front row seat to watch Cale Makar develop at UMass and he took more scary big hits there than in the NHL, there were more guys taking kamikaze runs.

We've seen a lot of kids take off in the AHL lately, it's become more and more of a development league. I tend to think it is pretty similar to college in terms of development outcomes, just a step up in competition and with more opportunity for NHL dev staff to work hands on with the players.

 

[Long Live Lyle]

The AHL is almost always a terrible place for teenagers to develop. Sometimes for Europeans with multiple years of pro hockey it can be a useful bridge, but for NCAA players it's not ideal.

I am fine with Fantilli leaving for the NHL, I thought he was ready and when you are ready for the NHL you should usually go. If he spends time in the AHL it would be very disappointing.

For most (probably vast majority) NCAA players, sure. I disagree with Fantilli though. He was already literally the best player in America. He’s also already very big/physically developed. You could not say either of those things for guys like Beniers, Johnson, Werenski, etc., in their immediate post-draft year. I do not think NCAA would be better than AHL for Fantilli.

That said, it’s a bit irrelevant I think, because I think the only way you ever see Fantilli play an AHL game is a conditioning/rehab assignment and/or the Calder Cup Playoffs.

 

[EK47]

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Lets hope he doesn’t for Columbus’s sake

Adam Fantilli is on an other planet compared to theese two though. So I wouldn’t be too worried.

 

[CBJx614]

 

[Bonin21]

Think he would have been favorite for first overall in 2020, 2021, 2022, and TBD against Celebrini but think he'd probably take it.

 

[rahad]

Think he would have been favorite for first overall in 2020, 2021, 2022, and TBD against Celebrini but think he'd probably take it.

Celebrini is a better player. Fantilli is physically more mature.

 

[Corso]

Celebrini is a better player. Fantilli is physically more mature.

That remains to be seen. Celebrini is certainly a more cerebral player and has a had a better D-1 year than Fantilli, although to be fair to Fantili, this year's Chicago Steel team was no where as stacked as when Fantilli played, allowing Celebrini more ice time and special teams play.

We will see how Celebrini does as an underager in the D-1 ranks this year. No one expects Fantilli type numbers obviously because of his age but if he averages a point per game as a 17 year old then the hype train will really pick up steam

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Think he would have been favorite for first overall in 2020, 2021, 2022, and TBD against Celebrini but think he'd probably take it.

Lafreniere had A LOT of hype.

 

[BB88]

Lafreniere had A LOT of hype.

Fantilli is still Eichel level C prospect

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Fantilli is still Eichel level C prospect

I don't see him being on that level.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I don't see him being on that level.

Without applying much nuance (quality of teammates, ice time, etc), Fantilli seems at least on par with Eichel regarding their draft seasons in the NCAA:

Eichel: 40GP, 71 points - 1.775 PPG
Fantilli: 36GP, 65 points - 1.805 PPG