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C Aatu Räty - Jukurit, Liiga (2021, 52nd, NYI)

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JJTT said:
Räty is healthy and will play for the Kärpät U20 team today.
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That's good news. He's been wondering out of the games a "lot" lately and that's a bit worrisome. Anyway I wonder if Lundell began last season in the men's team or did he get promoted later on? I'd really love to see Aatu at the first game in the big league. With that said maybe the next two U20 games will dictate the verdict for what comes down to that. He better have his A-gear on.
 
kelsier said:
That's good news. He's been wondering out of the games a "lot" lately and that's a bit worrisome. Anyway I wonder if Lundell began last season in the men's team or did he get promoted later on? I'd really love to see Aatu at the first game in the big league. With that said maybe the next two U20 games will dictate the verdict for what comes down to that. He better have his A-gear on.
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Shouldn't be too long after he is promoted.

Tieksola might have earned a spot on the team yesterday with his performance so there is some competition. Anyway Sailio, Anttila and Koblizek are played like crap in top9 role so Räty should get a call if they don't improve.
 


He looked fine today with his brother. Had a PP assist. Their center Jarvitalo had a natural but the Raty brothers did a lof of work. Aatu wasn’t as physical as he was in the JCWC, which is understandable. I hope the injury keeps him with the U20s all season so can destroy that league and silence any doubt that he’s the top pick for 2021.

Grew half an inch and added nearly 15 pounds since April but he seems taller against all those smurfs.
 
Destroying u20s hopefully isn't enough to silence any doubt about him being the top pick for 2021 unless it's an extremely weak year. Even Anton Lundell played almost the whole season in Liiga.
 
It's a freaking joke that Manner is rather playing guys like Sailio, Anttila and Karvinen over Räty brothers. Sailio in a top9 role even.
 
ijuka said:
Destroying u20s hopefully isn't enough to silence any doubt about him being the top pick for 2021 unless it's an extremely weak year. Even Anton Lundell played almost the whole season in Liiga.
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This exactly. I don't think the previous poster fully understands the dynamics of how the top prospects in the country are treated/used in their D-1 seasons. I don't see how playing (without a good cause) in the juniors as opposed to Mestis or FEL the entire season could be considered as an advantage closing forward to the draft year, let alone when one is currently already largely penciled as the top prospect of the following next season's NHL draft. Destroying the U20 would be nice, but having to play there a disappointment. When Lundell makes it, you couldn't possibly expect any less from Aatu Räty.

Not to mentioned, playing in the ASM, he'd have a mountain to climb to get involved with the U20 national team if that was one of his aspirations for this year. If they're unable to find the space for him, it wouldn't surprise me to see a request to be loaned to another club (although not sure how the school/studies would affect the process).
 
kelsier said:
This exactly. I don't think the previous poster fully understands the dynamics of how the top prospects in the country are treated/used in their D-1 seasons. I don't see how playing (without a good cause) in the juniors as opposed to Mestis or FEL the entire season could be considered as an advantage closing forward to the draft year, let alone when one is currently already largely penciled as the top prospect of the following next season's NHL draft. Destroying the U20 would be nice, but having to play there a disappointment. When Lundell makes it, you couldn't possibly expect any less from Aatu Räty.

Not to mentioned, playing in the ASM, he'd have a mountain to climb to get involved with the U20 national team if that was one of his aspirations for this year. If they're unable to find the space for him, it wouldn't surprise me to see a request to be loaned to another club (although not sure how the school/studies would affect the process).
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I understand it completely.

The point was that he suffered an injury and it would be a shame if the tougher Liiga competition made it difficult to stay healthy, especially when you consider how physical and abrasive Raty plays. Those vets won’t care less if he’s elite or not. If they know he has an injury, they’ll key in on it. Getting hit by a 18-year-old ain’t the same as getting hammered by a grown man.

Also, Aho, Teravainen, and Granlund (among others) each spent the significant majority of their draft-1 in juniors.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
I understand it completely.

The point was that he suffered an injury and it would be a shame if the tougher Liiga competition made it difficult to stay healthy, especially when you consider how physical and abrasive Raty plays. Those vets won’t care less if he’s elite or not. If they know he has an injury, they’ll key in on it. Getting hit by a 18-year-old ain’t the same as getting hammered by a grown man.

Also, Aho, Teravainen, and Granlund (among others) each spent the significant majority of their draft-1 in juniors.
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A minor injury before the season has even begun should not affect his performance in the long run as the 19-20 progresses. Yeah there are plenty of small forwards in the past who didn't get a full time position in the league in their respective D-1 seasons. Räty isn't small however, so while he's definitely physically still work in progress (like everyone else his age), he's not a rag doll. He's much closer to the ballpark of Barkov and Lundell. Of course size alone isn't the ticket to FEL even for highly regarded prospects. For instance Laine played in Mestis in his D-1, but that was largely due to setback of having to recover from a serious knee injury. Even Puljujärvi spent only 11 games in the A-juniors, then switched between Mestis and FEL.

Nonetheless, I cannot see how Räty playing in the juniors the entire season would benefit him more than playing against the grown ups (Mestis/FEL) as far as his stocks are concerned.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
I understand it completely.

The point was that he suffered an injury and it would be a shame if the tougher Liiga competition made it difficult to stay healthy, especially when you consider how physical and abrasive Raty plays. Those vets won’t care less if he’s elite or not. If they know he has an injury, they’ll key in on it. Getting hit by a 18-year-old ain’t the same as getting hammered by a grown man.

Also, Aho, Teravainen, and Granlund (among others) each spent the significant majority of their draft-1 in juniors.
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A late first rounder, an early-mid first rounder and a second rounder, right? And none of those are late birthdays.

Even Kupari played most of his u-18 year with Kärpät, the very same team.
 
kelsier said:
Nonetheless, I cannot see how Räty playing in the juniors the entire season would benefit him more than playing against the grown ups (Mestis/FEL) as far as his stocks are concerned.
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With stocks, do you mean his draft position or his development?
 
julkki said:
With stocks, do you mean his draft position or his development?
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Steve was referring to solidifying his draft position the earlier and I quoted on that. Developmental wise? Well as long as a prospect can keep up with the pace without falling behind or playing vs too hard competition I would argue it'd be better to let that prospect play against the best possible opponents as long as he didn't get overwhelmed (and of course received enough TOI).
 
kelsier said:
A minor injury before the season has even begun should not affect his performance in the long run as the 19-20 progresses. Yeah there are plenty of small forwards in the past who didn't get a full time position in the league in their respective D-1 seasons. Räty isn't small however, so while he's definitely physically still work in progress (like everyone else his age), he's not a rag doll. He's much closer to the ballpark of Barkov and Lundell. Of course size alone isn't the ticket to FEL even for highly regarded prospects. For instance Laine played in Mestis in his D-1, but that was largely due to setback of having to recover from a serious knee injury. Even Puljujärvi spent only 11 games in the A-juniors, then switched between Mestis and FEL.

Nonetheless, I cannot see how Räty playing in the juniors the entire season would benefit him more than playing against the grown ups (Mestis/FEL) as far as his stocks are concerned.
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Didn’t hurt Kakko. Had a Liiga cup of coffee but otherwise spent his entire draft-1 in junior.

Besides, I clearly said “I hope”, which is a personal preference.

There is no empirical evidence that proves or reveals playing against adults is better for development.

It’s solely a fan’s preference. I prefer he spends his draft-1 in junior simply because he’ll play 17-20 mins a night instead of bottom-six on a stacked contender.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
Didn’t hurt Kakko. Had a Liiga cup of coffee but otherwise spent his entire draft-1 in junior.

Besides, I clearly said “I hope”, which is a personal preference.

There is no empirical evidence that proves or reveals playing against adults is better for development.

It’s solely a fan’s preference. I prefer he spends his draft-1 in junior simply because he’ll play 17-20 mins a night instead of bottom-six on a stacked contender.
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Who knows if it did? I mean at least he didn't get picked #1, which is basically what we are talking about right now. Oh and of course there are no empirical studies in terms of which route from Finland is the best to the NHL, since after we are dealing with well, Finland. It would be quite a difficult task to even create one, since before this decade the country could just maybe produce one first rounder (if we were lucky) per year. So there's not much to go with. Nowadays the times are changing, expectations are rising and perhaps one day in a the future we can actually look back and analyze the results from today's generation and onward. However common sense applies quite well here. If you manage to excel against the best possible opponents at this age, the higher you are regarded and that'll have a lot more worth in the CV than playing against kids or young men. I would imagine it would accelerate one's progression as well since there's little room for errors and you need to bring your absolute best effort from one game to the next.

Kärpät has a very good reputation when it comes down to development. I may not be overly sold on Manner, but I would imagine if Räty did find himself in the 1st team, he would get similar opportunities as Lundell did a year ago. If they decided that Mestis was the better way forward, he'd still be playing against men and face a lot tougher opponent. I don't think the minutes will be a problem for him no matter what happens since they know what they have in the hands and they're not going to mess up with that. I just don't see Räty playing the entire year in the juniors, nor do I think it would be beneficial to him since he does look quite ready (not to mention being a late born).
 
Aatu was at Junior Club World Cup when Kärpät played home games at CHL. After that he trained at home and played with junior team when mens team had a road trip in Grenoble and Bern. No need to exhaust him with excessive travelling. He will get games with men when Liiga starts.
 
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9 points in 6 games in A-juniors so far, playing with his brother who has 10 points.

Tieksola didn't look ready with the big team and got sent back to junior team, so hopefully the Räty brothers get their shot soon.
 
Why doesn't Karpat just loan the Raty brothers and Tieksola to weak Liiga teams or even Mestis? Not sure how much more they have to learn in Jr A.
 
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Steve Kournianos said:
Didn’t hurt Kakko. Had a Liiga cup of coffee but otherwise spent his entire draft-1 in junior.
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Kakko is also more than half a year younger. If Raty was born a few weeks earlier he'd be in the 2020 draft. Kakko at the age Raty is now had already made his Liiga debut.

Compare to Anton Lundell and Mikko Rantanen, who are basically the closest recent draft picks situationally to Raty. Both of those players played more than 2/3rds of their draft-1 seasons in the Liiga as October- November- December birthdays. Rantanen scored 28 points in 56 games in the Liiga the year after scoring 9 in 37 in the Liiga his draft-1 and went 10th overall in a very strong draft. Lundell has a similar strong draft class, scored 19 points in 38 games in his draft-1 Liiga season and is projected to go anywhere from 4-10 right now.

That's pretty much the standard that Raty needs to meet in order to be considered a top 3 prospect in his draft class, let alone the consensus number 1. Playing this year mostly in U20 isn't going to make the questions go away. Playing limited minutes next year in the Liiga isn't going to make the questions go away. You can still be a great prospect but if you're hitting those checkpoints you're comparable to other mid to late first rounders, not top 3.

Right now it's tough to say if he's tracking to be the guy in 2021, because it's still early and it's very much normal that guys have to play a little and show they deserve a Liiga shot at this age. But there are checkpoints this year that must be met to keep up with the guys who've come beforehand and if he doesn't meet them then people are going to wonder about where he stacks up overall. As much as 2021 isn't considered a strong draft year there's going to be a handful of guys who will step up and compare favorably to star players from yesteryear drafts, and Raty will need to keep up with the challengers or risk being passed because he hasn't shown he's a game changing talent the way a guy like Barkov or Laine did as prospects.
 
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Lepardi said:
Is there some difference in the competition they're facing? Tyrväinen and Santala against Pyörälä, Puljujärvi, Jokinen and Koblizek?
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In case you're being genuine, HIFK is a hella stacked team. Kärpät might be slightly more stacked, but not so much it's a good reason for this.

The reason's a lot more simple - Aatu Räty just isn't so ready IMO.
 
ijuka said:
In case you're being genuine, HIFK is a hella stacked team. Kärpät might be slightly more stacked, but not so much it's a good reason for this.

The reason's a lot more simple - Aatu Räty just isn't so ready IMO.
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Have you been following his games in the JrA or is this just wild guessing? At least that production is good. I haven't had the time so I'm curious. The FEL seems kind of boring as it is, there's no elite prospect in sights. Even Lundell doesn't seem to get much ice time and since the teams mean quite little for me all there's left is to wait for the NHL.
 
Aatu wil make his pro debut tonight in the 2nd line with his brother Aku.
LW Jari Sailio* C Aatu Räty RW Aku Räty

* Sailio is a veteran grinder/physical small(ish) forward, somewhat pest type of player,
fast skater, haves some skill thou
 
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