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C Aatu Räty - Jukurit, Liiga (2021, 52nd, NYI)

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Maybe wait until the seasons start everywhere so a comparison can be made with real stats, not preseason ones before adamantly stating Räty is #1? He only played this game because Jokinen was playing in Lahti for the Liiga All Stars event.

Manner has publicly said that he'll see if the Räty boys can play themselves into a starting roster but that doesn't mean they're a shoe-in.
 
JustaFinnishGuy said:
Maybe wait until the seasons start everywhere so a comparison can be made with real stats, not preseason ones before adamantly stating Räty is #1? He only played this game because Jokinen was playing in Lahti for the Liiga All Stars event.

Manner has publicly said that he'll see if the Räty boys can play themselves into a starting roster but that doesn't mean they're a shoe-in.
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Why? Other people already have a #1 for 2022 draft, heck some probably even have for 2023 draft. Ey heck why not 2028 draft.
 
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JustaFinnishGuy said:
Maybe wait until the seasons start everywhere so a comparison can be made with real stats, not preseason ones before adamantly stating Räty is #1? He only played this game because Jokinen was playing in Lahti for the Liiga All Stars event.

Manner has publicly said that he'll see if the Räty boys can play themselves into a starting roster but that doesn't mean they're a shoe-in.
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Well if we think of Sebastian Aho as his comparable - probably a rather good one, they're from the same team as well - we remember that it's not that important how well the player plays in Liiga at 18 years of age, it's more important whether the player has attributes that'll be useful for him in the future.
 
The exact same, Finnish is always pronounced the same way, after all.
 
Pardus said:
Let's see what kind of a season Matthew Beniers is going to have. Was already convincing last season in the USHL and USNTDP.
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Beniers isn't a 1OA candidate. He's not good enough to be picked that high.

I wouldn't say that Raty is running away with 1OA. It's too early to make that type of determination in a draft without a clear generational talent, and I also think there's yet to be anyone who has stamped their authority on 1OA, Raty included.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Beniers isn't a 1OA candidate. He's not good enough to be picked that high.
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I'm not alone with my opinion.

From another thread:
Huck Cheever said:
1. Logan Stankoven, C (WHL)
2. Aatu Raty, LW (Finland)
3. Matthew Beniers, C (NTDP)
4. Luke Hughes, D (NTDP)
5. Zach L'Heureux, F (QMJHL)
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Beniers has better stats than Eichel on his d-2 season.
 
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JustaFinnishGuy said:
Maybe wait until the seasons start everywhere so a comparison can be made with real stats, not preseason ones before adamantly stating Räty is #1? He only played this game because Jokinen was playing in Lahti for the Liiga All Stars event.

Manner has publicly said that he'll see if the Räty boys can play themselves into a starting roster but that doesn't mean they're a shoe-in.
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Unless Anttila, Hermonen, Humaloja and Karvinen have suddenly learned to play hockey, both brothers should be on the roster. There just isn't enough skill in the lineup for them to be left out.

Jokinen-Pesonen-Koblizek
Räty-Kristof-Räty
Pyörälä-Lammikko-Lindsten
Sailio-Metsävainio-Humaloja/Karvinen
 
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Pardus said:
I'm not alone with my opinion.

From another thread:


Beniers has better stats than Eichel on his d-3 season.
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I don't take that poster serious who is doubting Beniers, I think he purposely acts like a child and offers no insight.

I think we have Räty as leading the way at the moment (my ranking is predicting who will be better, not whos showcased better at the moment)...

Then I think Beniers, Stankoven, and Clarke are contenders for #1 after Räty. I like Clarke but I think people should pump the brakes because his stats were inflated because of the high offensive forwards on Don Mills. At CANADA U17 I thought Carson Lambos and Nolan Allan looked every bit as good as Clarke.

One thing I notice some people ignore about Stankoven is how weak his teammates were around him. He carried that Thompson team into the playoffs and racked up assists with weaker players surrounding him...Stankoven still broke Tyson Jost goal record and set record 8 points one game.
 
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Huck Cheever said:
I don't take that poster serious who is doubting Beniers, I think he purposely acts like a child and offers no insight.

I think we have Räty as leading the way at the moment (my ranking is predicting who will be better, not whos showcased better at the moment)...

Then I think Beniers, Stankoven, and Clarke are contenders for #1 after Räty. I like Clarke but I think people should pump the brakes because his stats were inflated because of the high offensive forwards on Don Mills. At CANADA U17 I thought Carson Lambos and Nolan Allan looked every bit as good as Clarke.

One thing I notice some people ignore about Stankoven is how weak his teammates were around him. He carried that Thompson team into the playoffs and racked up assists with weaker players surrounding him...Stankoven still broke Tyson Jost goal record and set record 8 points one game.
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I like Stankoven alot but sometimes some players don't transition form a lower league to the CHL to the NHL in a linear fashion.

While I do think that Staankoven will excel in the WHL, if he doesn't grow that simply will be a concern for the NHL.

Räty right now has the skillset, hockey IQ and results at a higher level of competition and the size that project him as the early leader for 21 although it will be very interesting to watch these prospects develop.
 
JJTT said:
Unless Anttila, Hermonen, Humaloja and Karvinen have suddenly learned to play hockey, both brothers should be on the roster. There just isn't enough skill in the lineup for them to be left out.

Jokinen-Pesonen-Koblizek
Räty-Kristof-Räty
Pyörälä-Lammikko-Lindsten
Sailio-Metsävainio-Humaloja/Karvinen
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You don't bet on 16-17 year olds to be contributors and on the roster automatically. I'd like them to be but I'm not Manner and I don't know where they're at. Preseason is preseason and rushing prospects might make them fail or succumb to expectations too large.
I know what we have in Oulu with both Räty's and I'm glad. I don't want them to bust.

Pyörälä isn't a 3rd liner btw. Pesonen has said that he can play C but hasn't so far in the preseason (and hasn't played in the last 2 altogether anyways)
 
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wetcoast said:
I like Stankoven alot but sometimes some players don't transition form a lower league to the CHL to the NHL in a linear fashion.

While I do think that Staankoven will excel in the WHL, if he doesn't grow that simply will be a concern for the NHL.

Räty right now has the skillset, hockey IQ and results at a higher level of competition and the size that project him as the early leader for 21 although it will be very interesting to watch these prospects develop.
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If you watched Stankoven at all you'd notice even though he is small he has the tools to make up for it like Debrincat or Kane. He's agile, fast, strong as hell on his edges, and wicked release.

When you have guys like Kane, Marchand, Gaudreau, and Debrincat excel in the NHL it's comical people bring up the "he's too small" argument.

If a player was small and a weak skater then Id have concerns... but this is definitely not the case with Stankoven.
 
Pardus said:
I'm not alone with my opinion.
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Pointing to that guy is not convincing. I take his account to be a parody account. He told me the other week when I disagreed with something he said that he watches more hockey than I do. He didn't try to address anything I said, his way to respond was a childish retort like that.

If you look at what some of the more knowledgeable posters on this website about the NTDP players like @AmericanDream, @William H Bonney @Whalers Fan have to say about Beniers, he's not viewed by the watchers of the team as one of the bigger talents in recent years from the program. He might end up being the highest American picked in 2021, but that would likely mean that there weren't any elite Americans in the 2021 draft.
 
Huck Cheever said:
I don't take that poster serious who is doubting Beniers, I think he purposely acts like a child and offers no insight.
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Says the guy that tried ranking prospects from 2023 with prospects from 2020. What are the chances you've even seen all these players play that you claim to be an expert on? You are new in this section, but claim to be the biggest expert. It doesn't make much sense. You are rude to others who disagree with you. I've tried to mostly ignore your posts, but if you are going to try to criticize me again, I'll just call it as I see it when it comes to you.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Says the guy that tried ranking prospects from 2023 with prospects from 2020. What are the chances you've even seen all these players play that you claim to be an expert on? You are new in this section, but claim to be the biggest expert. It doesn't make much sense. You are rude to others who disagree with you. I've tried to mostly ignore your posts, but if you are going to try to criticize me again, I'll just call it as I see it when it comes to you.
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Nyr fans had enough of your bs, that's all i needed to know about you buds.

What level of hockey you make it to?
 
Pardus said:
I'm not alone with my opinion.

From another thread:


Beniers has better stats than Eichel on his d-2 season.
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Beniers is a nice player, I'd pump the brakes on him being a first overall candidate this early though. I just feel like people freak out over what looks to be a very nice player, think of them as the next best thing, then suddenly they are somehow disappointed when the kid is... a very nice player.
 
Beniers a first overall candidate? Jesus.

He's a good player and definitely a strong first round candidate at this point, but if he's in the conversation for first overall right now this draft is terrible. I hope he changes that over the next 2 years but he has a long way to go to make that a reality.

Like a lot of HF "scouting," I assume these folks just saw he was PPG with the U18s and think that's reflective of something that his current play and skill set don't support.
 
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Nyr fans had enough of your bs, that's all i needed to know about you buds.

What level of hockey you make it to?
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What's next?

The my dad is bigger than your dad arguement?

The poster you are referring to has an informed opinion as do you....but your POV would be better served without the snarkiness that is sometimes attached when someone disagrees.

As I said I'm very impressed with Stankoven but more impressed with Raaty plain and simple.

Both players are still developing so time will tell.
 
fr9dd9 said:
Oh, how stupid I am..
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Happens to everyone. Come to think of it, how do you separate two players (in one organization) when they both have the same last name and both first names begin with the same letter? Maybe they should just fly under "Aatu" and "Aku" instead of Räty. ;D

More likely answer being something like "Aa. Räty" and "Ak. Räty" I'd presume? One needing of a rehab and the other one having one too many months of military service (at least should he go with the 47 on his back).
 
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