Burke out - Good or Bad?
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This Team will be Stripped of Prospects in the Name of Playoffs, and will Finish 9th
Who else can see this happening??
Who else can see this happening??
don't think so if i had to guess i would say
rogers will reign in the front office budget, put in place some no name gm once nonis term is up,
and ride the theme of a rebuild will spending noticibly less than the cap in the name of profits
rogers will reign in the front office budget, put in place some no name gm once nonis term is up,
and ride the theme of a rebuild will spending noticibly less than the cap in the name of profits
Drew311
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9th place I can see, I just don't think it will be because Nonis trades our prospects.
InterceptSchenn
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achtungbaby
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Leafidelity
Existentially Drifting
I mean long-term, he'd be gone by the end of the season anyway if we didnt make playoffs(and possibly even if we did.)
But I dont like the move, at least for it's timing. I would've given him at least this season to help this team.
Him and Nonis is better than just Nonis.
If gardiner and Kadri do go the other way(which I dont expect at all) than you have a huge problem with Ownership, not Burke.
But I dont like the move, at least for it's timing. I would've given him at least this season to help this team.
Him and Nonis is better than just Nonis.
If gardiner and Kadri do go the other way(which I dont expect at all) than you have a huge problem with Ownership, not Burke.
Yea I dont even know why everyone rates Gillis so damn high(he looks to be slipping already.) Half the team was built by burke, the other half was built by Nonis.(obviously that's a generalization, Gillis has made a few moves, but the core was built by those two.)
If it's Kadri straight up I wouldn't mind that much(playoffs for a low-end top 6 guy)
but gardiner cannot not be touched, he's already proven to be a top 4 dman in his first season.
I see where your coming from but if the deal does`nt happen, we have Kadri plus 50 million available for a UFA. I`m not really a fan of trading away young players. Especially when you can sign UFA`s, which is different than 20 years ago.
It's a good thing-
Burke has been here 4 years and the leafs have not made ANY progress, lets put this way when your an employer and you are given a major assignment by your employer and you fail then the employer will fire you for that mishap, Burke goofed here and as a result he fairly lost his job.
Nonis is every bit a good of a GM as Burke was IMO but without all the bluster and bravado. I think Nonis deserves a fair shot to fix this team both in the short and long term.
Burke has been here 4 years and the leafs have not made ANY progress, lets put this way when your an employer and you are given a major assignment by your employer and you fail then the employer will fire you for that mishap, Burke goofed here and as a result he fairly lost his job.
Nonis is every bit a good of a GM as Burke was IMO but without all the bluster and bravado. I think Nonis deserves a fair shot to fix this team both in the short and long term.
I think a fair deal would be Kadri/Komi/2nd for Luongo, I agree Gardiner is too steep of a price tag. I doubt Van would touch that deal though, they're in "win now" mode and Kadri can't even crack a crappy leafs squad, how in the heck would he get onto an elite team? I think Gillis is looking for a package that can help them short term, Kadri even though he's fair value I don't think would help them.
I believe it could be true, Burke has never been a good judge of goalies and this dates all the way back to his Vancouver days as GM. Luongo contract hickups and all is STILL an elite goalie and would easily give us the best goaltending since the days of CUJO/Belfour. It doesn't surprise me Burke would avoid him, but I also don't think the Luongo situation was the sole reason he was fired, I think its a combination of things, however I do think the Luongo situation is what sealed his fate though.
Well let's hope this purely about results and not the beginning of a new era of meddling owners that think they know more about hockey than the guys that have been doing it for years.
Because if it is the latter, your happiness will be short lived.
Lafleurs Guy
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Non-Leaf fan but I live in Toronto so here's my two cents.
1. The timing is bad. Not sure what the reasoning behind it but no matter how you slice this it could've/should've been done long ago. Like most people, doing it now just didn't make any sense to me. End of last year or in the fall? Sure.
2. Right decision? I'm not sure. I didn't agree with his quick fix philosophy when he took over but he'd made some good deals at the end of his tenure. I think this is more about the board wanting some control and Burke not being willing to relinquish any. Big Corporate cats like to feel important and I think that's the case here. It certainly would explain why they fire Burke and keep Nonis (a guy who essentially was mirroring Burke's moves.)
3. My thoughts on his tenure: I thought Burke started with the wrong premise when he took over. I didn't understand the logic of trading away picks/prospects when you're not a winning team. I get that he dealt for a younger player (Kessel) but the philosophy in my opinion was wrong. He wanted quick results and he should've just rebuilt. If he'd done that people would've had more patience and I think the Leafs would be a lot better off today. Sure they might've missed the playoffs, but they missed anyway.
Still he made some good moves later on in his tenure with Lupul, Gardiner and Phaneuf all being good deals. I thought he bought himself one more season but I guess not. He's not leaving the cupboard bare the way his predcessor did so Leaf fans can be happy about that.
All in all, I still see Burke as a good GM. I just think he started from the wrong premise. If he'd rebuilt, he'd have been successful. He was successful in Vancouver and Anaheim... 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
1. The timing is bad. Not sure what the reasoning behind it but no matter how you slice this it could've/should've been done long ago. Like most people, doing it now just didn't make any sense to me. End of last year or in the fall? Sure.
2. Right decision? I'm not sure. I didn't agree with his quick fix philosophy when he took over but he'd made some good deals at the end of his tenure. I think this is more about the board wanting some control and Burke not being willing to relinquish any. Big Corporate cats like to feel important and I think that's the case here. It certainly would explain why they fire Burke and keep Nonis (a guy who essentially was mirroring Burke's moves.)
3. My thoughts on his tenure: I thought Burke started with the wrong premise when he took over. I didn't understand the logic of trading away picks/prospects when you're not a winning team. I get that he dealt for a younger player (Kessel) but the philosophy in my opinion was wrong. He wanted quick results and he should've just rebuilt. If he'd done that people would've had more patience and I think the Leafs would be a lot better off today. Sure they might've missed the playoffs, but they missed anyway.
Still he made some good moves later on in his tenure with Lupul, Gardiner and Phaneuf all being good deals. I thought he bought himself one more season but I guess not. He's not leaving the cupboard bare the way his predcessor did so Leaf fans can be happy about that.
All in all, I still see Burke as a good GM. I just think he started from the wrong premise. If he'd rebuilt, he'd have been successful. He was successful in Vancouver and Anaheim... 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
Apparently MLSE board doesn't have issues with mortgaging the future for short term gains, either.
BoHorvat53
Crabs!
because they want $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and they want it now. What better way to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ than making the playoffs?
