Burke out - Good or Bad?

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After four years, Burke's team didn't score more goals, didn't prevent more goals, didn't win more games, and had lower rated prospects according to everyone on earth other than leaf fans.

Four bottom 10 finishes, same holes as before, and lower rated prospects.

If the Kessel trade was the worst thing to ever happen to me ever in my life... Burke being fired is the best thing to ever happen to me.
When my son was born... that was a special day. But it didn't feel NEARLY as special as today.

I can FINALLY go back to being a fan of this team. Trying to stay a leaf fan during the reign of Mr. incompetence was a terribly difficult ordeal.

I hate to call you out, but that is absolutely ridiculous.

Being a fan of any sports team is meant to be difficult. It's not an easy right of passage.

But to TURN YOUR BACK on a team based on a managerial piece?

I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense.

It's no wonder this fan base is generally perceived as a laughing stock around the league.
 
What happens to the CEO of any public corporation that consistently over-promises and under-delivers. The last thing a CEO or BOD wants is an underling that is a loose cannon. There are a number of bombastic and arrogant coaches and GMs in the NFL but none with a losing record. If you are going to act like Burke you better win and not preside over an epic collapse. Burkes firing is more understandable than his continued employment.
 
What happens to the CEO of any public corporation that consistently over-promises and under-delivers. The last thing a CEO or BOD wants is an underling that is a loose cannon. There are a number of bombastic and arrogant coaches and GMs in the NFL but none with a losing record. If you are going to act like Burke you better win and not preside over an epic collapse. Burkes firing is more understandable than his continued employment.

You are missing the point.

If you want to talk about Burke's firing under the context of a performance appraisal, that's fine - I don't think you are going to find anyone here that would suggest that Burke didn't deserve to be, at the very least, heavily scrutinized in his role as GM.

But we know that wasn't the case, don't we?

Listen to that press conference; Burke's performance as a GM over the course of 4 years was brought up once as an aside. The justification for the firing was not hockey-related, but corporate-related. This was a business decision, not a hockey decision. That's what should be bothering lots of fans today.

Fwiw - I agree with you on Burke's persona; you can't be loud and boisterous and fight with the media and have that stature about you, unless you are winning games. If this is a team taht consistently makes the playoffs, then I think you can do that and people will have far more tolerance towards it. You cannot however, keep to that same line, and not be winning, and expect people to still be receptive to it
 
What I understand one of the points owners did not like was the way the luongo deal was going down, players mentioned in the deal was ok, but it was the point about the draft pick offerd and BB wanted conditons on that pick, probably to protect himself on what happened on the Kessel deal, draft is deap next year and the leafs have a chance at a good pick, My opion I think BB was doing the right thing protecting our pick, if this deal goes down, and we do good on the lotto, just wait and see the posts. Even if we make it to the playoffs.
 
What I understand one of the points owners did not like was the way the luongo deal was going down, players mentioned in the deal was ok, but it was the point about the draft pick offerd and BB wanted conditons on that pick, probably to protect himself on what happened on the Kessel deal, draft is deap next year and the leafs have a chance at a good pick, My opion I think BB was doing the right thing protecting our pick, if this deal goes down, and we do good on the lotto, just wait and see the posts. Even if we make it to the playoffs.

It's a touch naive to think that this was all based on a draft pick centered in a Luongo deal.

When Tanenbaum has a rueful smile on his face entering a Governer's meeting in NY knowing that he's on camera and that the Leafs are holding a press conference at the same time, you know that this is very personal.

Also - if Burke wanted conditions on the pick, there's absolutely no logical reason for ownership to have prevented that. There's probably no way ownership even get involved in a decision to protect a pick
 
I hate to call you out, but that is absolutely ridiculous.

Being a fan of any sports team is meant to be difficult. It's not an easy right of passage.

But to TURN YOUR BACK on a team based on a managerial piece?

I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense.

It's no wonder this fan base is generally perceived as a laughing stock around the league.

I disagreed so vehemently with pretty much everything Burke's done that it literally turned me into a caricature of myself on these forums.

It wasn't so much Burke himself or his disastrous decisions that literally made me lose my mind... it was more the fact that most leaf fans supported him through it all.
It actually made me mentally ill... watching all those people blinded at such a ridiculous degree by their biases.

The mental healing begins now.

Rock bottom is in the past.

Only growth from here on out...
 
Like him or not, you at least knew that Burke was going for a Stanley Cup. My concern now is that the Board is back in there, like we saw with JFJ, and we're back to the priority being profit, i.e., at least a couple of playoff rounds every year but no long-term plan for putting it all together for a run at the Cup. Hopefully I'm wrong and meddling isn't what this is all about.
 
My conspiracy theory:
It had nothing to do with Burke's personality or performance. Projected tv ratings were probably way down because of lockout bitterness and someone came up with this as a way to boost them. Rogers and bell are media companies and our hockey operations are probably going to be run by a marketing department from now on.

You are a wise man. The timing indicates something fishy.
 
Conditional yes. It all depends on what Nonis wants to do.

Im hoping what we see this year is Nonis spends the year evaluating what we have in Reimer/Scrivens, and sells hard at the deadline. Id say MacArthur, Steckel, Lombardi, and Connolly should all be moved (if possible) in deadline deals, get us a bunch of picks (even mid to late rounders).

Bozak/Lupul are a bit of a touchier subject, but Ill just say we absolutely arent in a position to lose players with trade value for nothing. So either try and extend them, or just trade them. Deadline deal prices are typically sky high.

I think theres a chance to retool here, we dont need a full rebuild. One more high pick, especially in this draft with so many good forwards, mixed with getting rid of the dead weight, and then swinging for the fences in free agency. The focus should be on drafting though, not on trading for older goalies who dont really line up with this teams projected timeline.

Getting Luongo would at best mean we might have a window where we could be contenders that would last like 2 years, but then it would quickly close as he got too old. The team isnt currently good enough, even with Luongo, to win anything. Maybe make the playoffs, but thats about it. So even with him, it would be a few years, and by them he'd be pushing age 36-37. Better to try and get a top player out of this draft and address goaltending after.
 
Not even close. Nonis brought in Edler, Schneider, Mitchell, Luongo, and Burrows, and all it cost for the lot was a Bertuzzi, Auld, Allen, a couple draft picks, and money. He was overly patient/hesitant to make big moves at times that could jeopardize the future to win in the present, but at times that is a good thing.

I can't ****ing wait until sedin twins retire and hoping elder walks this season, all they been doing is living off what Burke/Nonis built there with no appreciation.
 
poll speaks for itself

Burke has acquired many great players
and with the team that was left for Burke
look what he has changed

for all those scraps, look what many great players he obtained on the Leafs
and the blame is only on Burke huh?

yeah scapegoat all you want
 
The mental healing begins now.

Rock bottom is in the past.

Only growth from here on out...

Pretty sure that was said after JFJ... We THOUGHT we were at rock bottom (which asset wise, we were).

But then Burke came in and didnt exactly build with a consistent strategy. He went from guns blazing make playoffs right away at all costs, to selling assets off and trying to build slowly... Usually you do it the other way around...cause... You know, the draft picks are higher
 
This is great news, it just shames me my fellow leaf fans, who have grown to settle with mediocrity and frivolous matters reinforced by the media (i.e nonsense about timing, business acumen, media relations, etc) rather than see the firing for what it is, and what we, as hockey fans care about- Winning/Results. Burke has been horrendous in his tenure here, 4 terrible seasons and a lackluster product/farm system to boot. In fact, he's been so incompetent I'd argue he's had a severe net loss in growth versus an expected and projected, linear growth- obviously, there was no way to go but up in his tenure here.

I'm not sure why everyone is concerning themselves with hypotheticals, like timing of the firing spewed by the media. At the end of the day, the only relevant matter we can objectively, and non-speculatively discuss is Burke's professional tenure here- and it's been terrible at that. Having the media and Burke apologetic like Bob Mackenzie- and the narrative they instill has blinded the "sheep" in our fan-base from reality.

If anything (and here's my theory, littered with hypothetical nonsense to fit my "narrative"), we should be happy that Rogers and Bell taking over is treating this team like a business/product- and that mediocrity or failure is not passable. See James Dolan and MSG, and the knicks now, owners like Cuban in Dallas, George Steinbrenner, and independent owners all over baseball. If one wants to win, there will be no boundary when you are one of the richest, if not, the richest owner in pro sports. And at the end of the day, to maximize profit with the existing model where a media giant, owns the arena and team- money signs roll with prosperity and/or a winning product. Of course, a purely hypothetical theory- but this just proves the point I am trying to make. I can spin the narrative in any favour I want to reinforce my beliefs of the future of this team- rather than take at face value what matters, RESULTS.
 
why terrible timing? any body can make lame trades .....i love no more self imposed fake deadlines /early christmas trade freeze .....not tendering offer sheets .u work for the ;eafs owners,not your fellow gm /s ...nonis gets his shot ...maybe he can carve his own place without burke ..
 
Real Leaf fans aren't happy. Poll speaks volumes.

The biggest joke is what MLSE has pulled on everyone. Nothing has changed except the people (owners) pulling the strings. We'll be in the playoffs very soon as young assets are traded away for immediate help. Too much playoff revenue being missed out on for Rogers and Bell. I give it a year. Same people calling for Burke's head will be calling for Nonis'.
 
Real Leaf fans aren't happy. Poll speaks volumes.

The biggest joke is what MLSE has pulled on everyone. Nothing has changed except the people (owners) pulling the strings. We'll be in the playoffs very soon as young assets are traded away for immediate help. Too much playoff revenue being missed out on for Rogers and Bell. I give it a year. Same people calling for Burke's head will be calling for Nonis'.

Yet most here want Luongo, go figure.:laugh:
 
I've been a fan of the leafs since Quinn was GM, and Burke was the best GM so far since Quinn. I couldn't stand JFJ and Fletcher. I like Burke because he isnt a talking puppet and wont take anyones ****.
 
My guess:

-Many discussions re: Luongo to Toronto at the end of last season/in the summer.
-Burke must have wanted (either the trade, or not to trade) the opposite of what upper-level administration wanted
-It's now game time and upper-level administration either wants the deal done or wants to squelch the deal

.: Burke is a goner
 
Thoroughly ECSTATIC that Burke is no longer the Leafs' GM! lol

I never wanted him as the Leafs' GM in the first place. Too bad he's not completely out of the organization yet, though.

He is out, the new title is just optics.

I can understand some liking his removal but I can't understand any Leaf fan liking what went on.
 
After four years, Burke's team didn't score more goals, didn't prevent more goals, didn't win more games, and had lower rated prospects according to everyone on earth other than leaf fans.

Four bottom 10 finishes, same holes as before, and lower rated prospects.

If the Kessel trade was the worst thing to ever happen to me ever in my life... Burke being fired is the best thing to ever happen to me.
When my son was born... that was a special day. But it didn't feel NEARLY as special as today.
I can FINALLY go back to being a fan of this team. Trying to stay a leaf fan during the reign of Mr. incompetence was a terribly difficult ordeal.

WOW

I don't normally read your garbage anymore but I made an exception this time and that comment tells me everything I need to know about your character.
 
I disagreed so vehemently with pretty much everything Burke's done that it literally turned me into a caricature of myself on these forums.

It wasn't so much Burke himself or his disastrous decisions that literally made me lose my mind... it was more the fact that most leaf fans supported him through it all.
It actually made me mentally ill... watching all those people blinded at such a ridiculous degree by their biases.

The mental healing begins now.

Rock bottom is in the past.

Only growth from here on out...



Dude I think you need to straighten out your priorities. Taking a sport this seriously is not healthy.
 
You have worded your question poorly . . . you start off by asking "Burke out - good or bad?", then ask in the poll if we are happy he's gone.

I think for most sane and educated hockey fans and people . . . Burke not being the GM anymore is an ok/good thing for the most part, but happy he's gone - specifically, RIGHT NOW - definitely not, no way.

How can I be happy he's gone when Nonis heard it for the first time minutes after his boss was fired, then suddenly given the job of being the new GM?

What kind of f*@#ed up organisation does that kind of move - ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THE START OF THE SEASON WITH EVERYTHING ON HOLD UNTIL A NEW CBA IS RATIFIED A COUPLE OF DAYS FROM NOW!!!

Heaven help us.
 

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