Burke out - Good or Bad?

[Jerkini]

Burke did some very good things here, but overall a pretty poor performance.

Him being fired isn't really bad or really good.

I can agree with this.

 

[achtungbaby]

Forgive me for being "cynical" of the worst record in Leafs history.

Some of you are unbelievable really.



And quoting Stephen Colbert?

Double

lol Don't worry, nothing can ruin this feeling today.

 

[cup67]

View attachment 60107 its about time, both there a*s*s are out of here.

 

[Leafidelity]

Just like in Vancouver, the work done will speak for itself in a couple years.

 

[achtungbaby]

Just like in Vancouver, the work done will speak for itself in a couple years.

JFJ would agree with you.

 

[Bomber0104]

You're so wise.

You have the answer to everything, but the solution to nothing.

Blah blah blah...

Anything else?

 

[Mess]

“Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us.”

- Stephen Colbert

Those that thought Burke was doing and bad job and was going to get fired for that were correct and not cynical of bad situation.

If you are cynical but correct, then your cynicism was warranted.

MLSE BOG must be the biggest cynics of all then for acting on their beliefs by firing Burke for his actions, which only validates the beliefs of fans that felt the same way.

What is better being a cynic but correct, or an optimist but wrong?.

Those Leaf fans that expected/wanted Burke to get a contract extension falsely believing he was doing a good job, are the ones today doing some serious soul searching wondering what went wrong and appear very cynical of the actions of MLSE ownership for their decision for change.

 

[Leafidelity]

Blah blah blah...

Anything else?

I bet you're the smartest guy you know.

 

[Bomber0104]

I bet you're the smartest guy you know.

Like Brian Burke?

Your fallen hero?



Anything else?

 

[Bomber0104]

Those that thought Burke was doing and bad job and was going to get fired for that were correct and not cynical of bad situation.

If you are cynical but correct, then your cynicism was warranted.

MLSE BOG must be the biggest cynics of all then for acting on their beliefs by firing Burke for his actions, which only validates the beliefs of fans that felt the same way.

What is better being a cynic but correct, or an optimist but wrong?.

Those Leaf fans that expected/wanted Burke to get a contract extension falsely believing he was doing a good job, are the ones today doing some serious soul searching wondering what went wrong and appear very cynical of the actions of MLSE ownership for their decision for change.

It's funny because us realists don't even point out how wrong the Leafs "optimists" (nice term) are all the time.

But when we are proven right consistently...then they call us names and insult us as people.

What kind of absurdity is this?

Immaturity if you ask me.

 

[Mess]

It's funny because us realists don't even point out how wrong the Leafs "optimists" (nice term) are all the time.

But when we are proven right consistently...then they call us names and insult us as people..

When your a Leaf fan and you say "Fire Brian Burke" you're considered a troll against your own team for those beliefs, and when he is fired validating that opinion you're considered a cynic for believing a negative outcome was the inevitable end result.

There is simply no winning here, but keep in mind it is those that were wrong in their own beliefs that are the ones doing the labeling and finger pointing.

Perhaps rather than accepting responsibility that they were wrong they need to redirect that anger/disappointment in other directions.. Which I suppose is simply human nature behavior and not uncommon for those that struggle to admit when they're wrong themselves or unable to criticize their own team, preferring to be optimistic instead.

Like my earlier quote implied "The truth hurts", but today for us cynics its a happy day.

 

[p.l.f.]

4 yrs of BB and we still dont have a #1 G or #1 C
lets see what Nonis can do

 

[ForSpareParts*]

tonight:

the great avatar change-up night.

burke avatars no more.

 

[Bomber0104]

When your a Leaf fan and you say "Fire Brian Burke" you're considered a troll against your own team for those beliefs, and when he is fired validating that opinion you're considered a cynic for believing a negative outcome was the inevitable end result.

There is simply no winning here, but keep in mind it is those that were wrong in their own beliefs that are the ones doing the labeling and finger pointing.

Perhaps rather than accepting responsibility that they were wrong they need to redirect that anger/disappointment in other directions.. Which I suppose is simply human nature behavior and not uncommon for those that struggle to admit when they're wrong themselves or unable to criticize their own team, preferring to be optimistic instead.

Like my earlier quote implied "The truth hurts".

Succinct and absolutely correct.

Glad to have you here as a moderator Mess.

I've just recently been reading your posts and I have been liking them a lot!

 

[htpwn]

I'm not going to vote, because I consider myself fairly neutral to Burke's performance. I think he did a lot of good but in the end, the results weren't just there.

What concerns me more is how he was fired, why, and the implications of ownership possibly taking a larger role in the day-to-day operations of the club. All of those concerns were left unanswered by the press conference and leave question marks moving forward.

 

[Mess]

4 yrs of BB and we still dont have a #1 G or #1 C
lets see what Nonis can do

Good teams are built from the goalie out with strong defense and strength down the middle, while Burke was building his team from the wingers in, through weak centers, shaky defense and no goaltending.

Toss in small, soft and easily intimidated and its not hard to see what is wrong with this picture?

Helps explain Leafs failures and today's actions of change.

 

[Raging Bull]

If the Leafs have a competitive team in the next 5 years, Burke's fingerprints will be all over it. I voted yes, but I'm really indifferent. I think he did some good things while he was here, not nearly enough, but he's given Nonis something to work with atleast.

 

[Mess]

If the Leafs have a competitive team in the next 5 years, Burke's fingerprints will be all over it.

Catch 22.

Burke's failures as GM to assemble a winning competitive team are the reasons why Leafs have prospect(s) like Morgan Rielly being rewarded through high draft picks by the NHL for that failure on the ice.

So agreed Morgan Rielly is part of the hope and has Burke's fingerprints of a brighter Leaf future, but its really based on what Burke didn't accomplish then what he did.. Burke didn't trade up to get Rielly or head into the season playing for a bottom 5 spot he fell into that backwards by his team "like an 18 wheeler going over a cliff", epic collapse of his team to end the year.

You can say that about any former GM and his fingerprints as Dale Tallon was fired in Chicago, before his Toews, Keith, Kane, Seabrook draft selections hoisted the Stanley Cup for GM Stan Bowman.. Dave Taylor in LA drafted Quick, Kopitar, and Dustin Brown etc, and current GM Lombardi is getting the credit for a Cup victory similar by inheriting Conn Smythe winners handed down through past GM work.

Leafs have Grabovski, Kulemin, Reimer, Gunnarsson, Frattin, Holzer etc etc that are all members of the present that were passed down to Burke when he arrived and have survived his tenure with fingerprints of Leafs past GMs also that will effect the Leafs future.

 

[Marcel Cousineau]

Ballard years all over again.

Next thing you know we will be replacing Carlyle with Eakins.

 

[The Apologist]

That's what I'm thinking too.

So much for a rebuild..

Only been postponing it for 40 years...what's another 10 years matter?

I give it 6 months and youre asking for Nonis' head.

 

[achtungbaby]

I give it 6 months and youre asking for Nonis' head.

We could also give it 6 months before everyone who loved Burke turns their man crushes to Dave. Besides, How do we know Nonis isn't let go in the summer when someone else is found?

 

[achtungbaby]

tonight:

the great avatar change-up night.

burke avatars no more.

I'd guess Nonis is the ranking genius for the time being.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

When your a Leaf fan and you say "Fire Brian Burke" you're considered a troll against your own team for those beliefs, and when he is fired validating that opinion you're considered a cynic for believing a negative outcome was the inevitable end result.

There is simply no winning here, but keep in mind it is those that were wrong in their own beliefs that are the ones doing the labeling and finger pointing.

Perhaps rather than accepting responsibility that they were wrong they need to redirect that anger/disappointment in other directions.. Which I suppose is simply human nature behavior and not uncommon for those that struggle to admit when they're wrong themselves or unable to criticize their own team, preferring to be optimistic instead.

Like my earlier quote implied "The truth hurts", but today for us cynics its a happy day.

Exactly in bold which is why Burke is no longer the GM. Couldn't stand the guy myself....and that is from strictly a professional standpoint...what he did for charity and Gay/Lesbian community or anything else in his personal life has no bearing, IMO....good for him but many many many people volunteer, donate money and support charitable causes they believe in...that is their business. Nobody here knows Burke on a personal level and I think many take exception to those who are critical of his work as GM because of his "integrity", community service and all that other stuff. Its all great and I'm sure he is a good person....but what does that have to do with the price of Tea in China.

As a fan, the only thing I care about is what has he done for the TML. That alone is enough to make me happy today. I don't like seeing people lose their jobs but really in sports coaches and GMs rarely make it until the end of their contracts. Mostly they get fired. No difference here for Mr. Burke. His work was sub-par and a major disappointment. Personally, I am not all that excited about this spectacular "prospect pool" he has assembled. I think Nonis has his work cut out for him absolutely.

It would be ironic that if Burke got fired because of his reluctance to trade for Luongo, that would be the one move he didn't make that I would absolutely love him for.

 

[Avec Fromage*]

So disappointed in this organization. I always felt that having Rogers & Bell acquire MLSE would be bad news somehow. Two companies that are all about gouging Canadians for every penny they can get do not care about the long-term success of this team. We do not need "a more corporate leader." Stupid.

I feel as though Nonis will be pressured to win now at all costs, just as JFJ was. MLSE wants the playoff revenue. Nonis said the team will have to make difficult decisions in the week before the season starts. That can only mean selling the farm for Luongo. I am not looking forward to the final details of that trade.

 

[The Apologist]

Catch 22.

Burke's failures as GM to assemble a winning competitive team are the reasons why Leafs have prospect(s) like Morgan Rielly being rewarded through high draft picks by the NHL for that failure on the ice.

So agreed Morgan Rielly is part of the hope and has Burke's fingerprints of a brighter Leaf future, but its really based on what Burke didn't accomplish then what he did.. Burke didn't trade up to get Rielly or head into the season playing for a bottom 5 spot he fell into that backwards by his team "like an 18 wheeler going over a cliff", epic collapse of his team to end the year.

You can say that about any former GM and his fingerprints as Dale Tallon was fired in Chicago, before his Toews, Keith, Kane, Seabrook draft selections hoisted the Stanley Cup for GM Stan Bowman.. Dave Taylor in LA drafted Quick, Kopitar, and Dustin Brown etc, and current GM Lombardi is getting the credit for a Cup victory similar by inheriting Conn Smythe winners handed down through past GM work.

Leafs have Grabovski, Kulemin, Reimer, Gunnarsson, Frattin, Holzer etc etc that are all members of the present that were passed down to Burke when he arrived and have survived his tenure with fingerprints of Leafs past GMs also that will effect the Leafs future.

What if Kessel becomes the player we believe he will? Van Riemsdyk? Kadri? Biggs? Percy, Finn, etc etc etc. What if Phaneuf captains us to a cup? Would this not also be Burke's fingerprint?

Burke did a lot more for this team than draft Rielly....