Proposal: Building for 2021-2022

[VT]

Laine needs a real 1C that’s just a fact. Blame whatever scapegoat we want but he sucked all year and if we dont get an Eichel or bare minimum Hertl then Laine will continue to suck until he can slide out of town one way or another.

Not being a pessimist but it’s a fact that Nyquist is about to turn 32 and likelihood of him being anything next time we are actual contenders are slim to none especially considering he’s already a middle 6 player on a good team.

Hofmann and Danforth are 28 years old not in the NHL that anyone could’ve had for a smile and a handshake. They’re at best hopefuls and hope isn’t a strategy.

It`s a myth. He has games when phe played great without 1C center and Bjork. Problem...this season was bad for him. He often played on the free ice not ideal.
I don't know where this stupidity came from. Just because he has an excelent shot and coaches use his time-oner? But he, when he does, can use his body, to feed the linemates well, to be strong on the puck against the strong teams too... everybody saw it when he wanted . But it's hard if the first period plays like God and the second like ... add yourself.

 

[6zag]

It`s a myth. He has games when phe played great without 1C center and Bjork. Problem...this season was bad for him. He often played on the free ice not ideal.
I don't know where this stupidity came from. Just because he has an excelent shot and coaches use his time-oner? But he, when he does, can use his body, to feed the linemates well, to be strong on the puck against the strong teams too... everybody saw it when he wanted . But it's hard if the first period plays like God and the second like ... add yourself.

It's not a coincidence that the best games of his career so far were when he was centered by Sebastian Aho, Mark Scheifele and Paul Stastny. You can keep repeating that it's a myth as much as you'd like, but statistically it's a fact at this point that he does much better with a great center. Like 99% of wingers, excluding freaks of nature such as Panarin and Kane.

 

[CrockyCrock]

It`s a myth. He has games when phe played great without 1C center and Bjork. Problem...this season was bad for him. He often played on the free ice not ideal.
I don't know where this stupidity came from. Just because he has an excelent shot and coaches use his time-oner? But he, when he does, can use his body, to feed the linemates well, to be strong on the puck against the strong teams too... everybody saw it when he wanted . But it's hard if the first period plays like God and the second like ... add yourself.

Just ridiculous to say because he had moments or games where he played well without a real 1C that he will be fine without improving those around him next year. On good teams your top 2 wingers are on separate lines so ideally Laine and Bjorkstrand don’t play together.
New city, new coach, COVID, no training camp. None of those excuses add up to scoring once every 4 games when at 19 years old he scored once every 2 games. Where did this stupidity come from? Perhaps that the team lost 20 more games than they won and scored 50 less goals than they gave up. Their highest paid winger having by far the worst numbers of his career while objectively playing with the worst line mates of his career might have something to do with it.

 

[VT]

It's not a coincidence that the best games of his career so far were when he was centered by Sebastian Aho, Mark Scheifele and Paul Stastny. You can keep repeating that it's a myth as much as you'd like, but statistically it's a fact at this point that he does much better with a great center. Like 99% of wingers, excluding freaks of nature such as Panarin and Kane.

Every winger, even Panarin and Kane are better with a good center.
Winnipeg`s fans said he didn`t have good chemistry with Scheifele.
Stastny isn`t 1C.
Maurice used his shot that`s why he played with them. But he showed here he can be excelent without 1C too. I`m afraid his unstability is super terrible. And it`s still diplomatic said.

Just ridiculous to say because he had moments or games where he played well without a real 1C that he will be fine without improving those around him next year. On good teams your top 2 wingers are on separate lines so ideally Laine and Bjorkstrand don’t play together.
New city, new coach, COVID, no training camp. None of those excuses add up to scoring once every 4 games when at 19 years old he scored once every 2 games. Where did this stupidity come from? Perhaps that the team lost 20 more games than they won and scored 50 less goals than they gave up. Their highest paid winger having by far the worst numbers of his career while objectively playing with the worst line mates of his career might have something to do with it.

Yes and when he played great with Domi or Roslovic...it was what? But as I played above his unstability is a problem. He could change his play to whorse even in one game. But he`s only 23 year. Btw I doubt problems with receive of the puck on free ice was problem because of the center.
IMHO the next season shows what he can of course if he won`t injured. Simply future shows who is right.

 

[CrockyCrock]

Every winger, even Panarin and Kane are better with a good center.
Winnipeg`s fans said he didn`t have good chemistry with Scheifele.
Stastny isn`t 1C.
Maurice used his shot that`s why he played with them. But he showed here he can be excelent without 1C too. I`m afraid his unstability is super terrible. And it`s still diplomatic said.

Honest question how often was he excellent here without a 1C?

 

[6zag]

Honest question how often was he excellent here without a 1C?

I remember that one coast to coast goal. That's about it. Other times he was as expected or most of the time heavily under performing.

 

[Kevo22363]

Just for fun, I went to Capfriendly and put together a team I'd like to see the Jackets put on the ice next fall. A lot of this might be far fetched but I thought I'd give it a whirl. I made some trades and some signings and still had 950K in cap space. Here's what I did.

Trades
To Buffalo: Zach Werenski, Joonas Korpisalo, Alexandre Texier, Scott Harrington, CBJ 2021 1st Rd.
To CBJ: Jack Eichel, Rasmus Ristolainen

To Chicago: Dean Kukan, 2021 TOR 1st Rd. and 2022 TOR 4th Rd.
To CBJ: Connor Murphy

To Vegas: Emil Bemstrom, 2021 TBL 1st, 2021 NJD 5th
To CBJ: Reilly Smith

Signings
Patrik Laine - 2 yrs, 15M (7.5M AAV)
Blake Coleman - 3 yrs., 9M (3M AAV)

Lineup
Patrik Laine - Jack Eichel - Oliver Bjorkstrand
Gustav Nyquist - Jack Roslovic - Cam Atkinson
Blake Coleman - Max Domi - Reilly Smith
Eric Robinson - Boone Jenner - Liam Foudy
Yegor Chinakov

Vladislav Gavrikov - Seth Jones
Gabriel Carlsson - Connor Murphy
Andrew Peeke - Rasmus Ristolainen

Elvis Merzlikins
Matiss Kivlenieks

 

[KJ Dangler]

Honest question how often was he excellent here without a 1C?

The first 4 to 5 games, he was electric. To the point that if he took a shot, you thought it could go in. Then he had the game he had an assist, a goal, was benched for the rest of game, and I believe he lost all coinfidence, and played not to mess up .

 

[VT]

Honest question how often was he excellent here without a 1C?

When he was in conditions. And when not he plays terrible even on free ice. And IMHO even Eichel with MacDavid wouldn`t help him. I said the example, a game with Florida. He was georgeous in the first period with Stenlund against Barkov line. But what`s happen in the second and the third if he couldn`t receive the puck on the free ice and he was benched in the third period although he had 1+1... . I remember this game because after it I almost throw the computer out the window. Or the game with Tampa together with Domi and Robinson... find Torts and Domi`s word (I found them for you)

Obviously Patty, I think he was unbelievable, a big part of what we had going tonight. He was very physical, he was strong on the puck, he didn't give up on the puck. When he's going like that, he's a tough man to stop and certainly a lot of fun to play with.

CBJ Today: Laine, Domi team up to have big night

And this is about his the first period in the game with Florida. It wasn`t find difficult, write "Tortorella Laine benched" and the article was founded. Again, Stenlund was his center.

Blue Jackets' Tortorella says he didn't bench Laine in loss to Panthers

but the key words: WHEN HE`S GOING LIKE THAT

So, or he will finally play stably either he will play in KHL.

 

[koteka]

If we go full tank:

CBJ roster entering 23-24 without free agent acquisitions but some current guys resigned:

Bjorkstrand
Atkinson
Roslovic
Texier
Foudy
Bemstrom
Robinson
Chinakhov
Marchenko
Voronkov

Jones or prospects from trading Jones
Werenski
Gavrikov
Lehtonen
Peeke

Korpi or Elvis
Tarasov

3 high firsts (2021, 2022, 2023)
2 low firsts (2021 and 2021) with 2 years of development
Return from trading Boone at deadline 2021
Laine or return from trading Laine
Domi or return from trading Domi
Return from trading Nyquist
Return from trading Korpi or Elvis
Others already in pipeline (Angle, T F-W, Knazko, ???)
Danforth, Hoffman ???

 

[koteka]

Let’s say we get Clarke this year, trade Jones for a good right D prospect and really good wing prospect, a center from one of the late 2021 firsts looks ok after 2 years of development, and draft two close to ready centers in 2022 and 2023:


Tex - 2022 center - Bjork
Foudy - Roslovic - wing (Jones trade)
Chinakhov - Voronkov - Marchenko
Bemstrom - 2021 late first - Atkinson

Werenski - Clarke
Gav - Peeke
Lehtonen - right D (Jones trade)

Korpi or Elvis
Tarasov

2023 center
2021 late first
other trade returns, prospects

Plenty of cap space to add someone big or two pretty good guys in free agency

 

[CrockyCrock]

When he was in conditions. And when not he plays terrible even on free ice. And IMHO even Eichel with MacDavid wouldn`t help him. I said the example, a game with Florida. He was georgeous in the first period with Stenlund against Barkov line. But what`s happen in the second and the third if he couldn`t receive the puck on the free ice and he was benched in the third period although he had 1+1... . I remember this game because after it I almost throw the computer out the window. Or the game with Tampa together with Domi and Robinson... find Torts and Domi`s word (I found them for you)

CBJ Today: Laine, Domi team up to have big night

And this is about his the first period in the game with Florida. It wasn`t find difficult, write "Tortorella Laine benched" and the article was founded. Again, Stenlund was his center.

Blue Jackets' Tortorella says he didn't bench Laine in loss to Panthers

but the key words: WHEN HE`S GOING LIKE THAT

So, or he will finally play stably either he will play in KHL.

Ok first please explain what “when in conditions” means because I don’t really follow. For the Florida game do you think he would’ve received the puck better in free/open ice if Eichel or Stenlund was on his line and actually be honest haha

and my point is there are few and far between times he was excellent. For the couple examples you have and maybe a few more there are 5 even 10 game stretches you barely notice him that CANNOT HAPPEN. Domi, Roslovic and others had their chance to prove they can be a center for him and we wound up 4th worst in the league. Trying the same thing over is foolish.

 

[CrockyCrock]

And here’s my argument against the signing Danault stance. If we’re honest with ourselves isn’t he basically the same player as Brandon Dubinsky. A fine player no doubt but we already tried using that kinda player in the Top 6 fora playoff team and we got smacked by Pittsburgh.
The comparison I’d hope we could be is us getting Eichel akin to Dallas getting Seguin. Big trade but he’s been their 1C ever since and pretty damn competitive throughout his tenure.

 

[VT]

Ok first please explain what “when in conditions” means because I don’t really follow. For the Florida game do you think he would’ve received the puck better in free/open ice if Eichel or Stenlund was on his line and actually be honest haha

and my point is there are few and far between times he was excellent. For the couple examples you have and maybe a few more there are 5 even 10 game stretches you barely notice him that CANNOT HAPPEN. Domi, Roslovic and others had their chance to prove they can be a center for him and we wound up 4th worst in the league. Trying the same thing over is foolish.

English isn`t my nation language plus I`m not good in it. The better word is when he has his day when he`s hot.
Sorry but if he could receive the puck, feeds his partners, be strong on the puck under hard forchecking and from the second not even on free ice, it isn`t a problem with a center. Or Eichel would make it for him? And don`t forget we say about if Patrik needs 1C or not.
Domi played so long on the wing plus problems have other players in the team too.
It was the specific season and make big trades for it would be not to good idea. Exactly add yes.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

And here’s my argument against the signing Danault stance. If we’re honest with ourselves isn’t he basically the same player as Brandon Dubinsky. A fine player no doubt but we already tried using that kinda player in the Top 6 fora playoff team and we got smacked by Pittsburgh.
The comparison I’d hope we could be is us getting Eichel akin to Dallas getting Seguin. Big trade but he’s been their 1C ever since and pretty damn competitive throughout his tenure.

I could argue this is exactly the reason we would want danault. The team has had something missing from it since Dubinsky is gone. And yeah I know he “left” along with Panarin and the big guns but his value in the circle and other things is something we miss

 

[Monk]

I could argue this is exactly the reason we would want danault. The team has had something missing from it since Dubinsky is gone. And yeah I know he “left” along with Panarin and the big guns but his value in the circle and other things is something we miss

For some reason Google image search never gives me what I want when I plug in "Brandon Dubinsky crazy eyes" so please imagine that picture here - or in other words, I agree.

 

[DJA]

I could argue this is exactly the reason we would want danault. The team has had something missing from it since Dubinsky is gone. And yeah I know he “left” along with Panarin and the big guns but his value in the circle and other things is something we miss

Not sure what you mean by he "left" - he's still a member of the team on LTIR, no?

 

[thebus88]

A Vegas weekend with Dubi should get the boys ready for next season!!

Brandon Dubinsky: CBJ Camaraderie Coach

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

A Vegas weekend with Dubi should get the boys ready for next season!!

Brandon Dubinsky: CBJ Camaraderie Coach

LOL. Vegas has always been so good to Dubi.

 

[Kevo22363]

LOL. Vegas has always been so good to Dubi.

Is he still on the police blotter?

 

[DJA]

Is he still on the police blotter?

Maybe we should consult Sherlock Portzline, he's the only one who ever mentioned this

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Maybe we should consult Sherlock Portzline, he's the only one who ever mentioned this

One of the times I defended him. If he hadn't looked into it people would have asked, and taken him to task for not checking.

 

[CrockyCrock]

English isn`t my nation language plus I`m not good in it. The better word is when he has his day when he`s hot.
Sorry but if he could receive the puck, feeds his partners, be strong on the puck under hard forchecking and from the second not even on free ice, it isn`t a problem with a center. Or Eichel would make it for him? And don`t forget we say about if Patrik needs 1C or not.
Domi played so long on the wing plus problems have other players in the team too.
It was the specific season and make big trades for it would be not to good idea. Exactly add yes.

Your first two points of receiving the puck and then feeding his teammates is made a whole hell of a lot easier if it’s Eichel dishing it instead of whomever you want to name. Because 1. Eichel is an elite passer (please don’t say Domi is an elite passer because if he was he’d have more than 15 assists in 54 games) and 2. Laines assists go up because Eichel is an elite finisher.

On top of that an Eichel level talent just frees up more ice for Laine automatically. A line with Laine and Eichel would actually make opponents knees shake a little bit. Laine with anyone we have is a walk in the park as we’ve seen.

 

[VT]

Interesting what Jarmo and JD would think about our rosters.

Your first two points of receiving the puck and then feeding his teammates is made a whole hell of a lot easier if it’s Eichel dishing it instead of whomever you want to name. Because 1. Eichel is an elite passer (please don’t say Domi is an elite passer because if he was he’d have more than 15 assists in 54 games) and 2. Laines assists go up because Eichel is an elite finisher.

On top of that an Eichel level talent just frees up more ice for Laine automatically. A line with Laine and Eichel would actually make opponents knees shake a little bit. Laine with anyone we have is a walk in the park as we’ve seen.

Maybe we didn`t understand each other but we say need Laine 1C center or not. IMHO not and he can be excelent too + very dangerous if he`s hot. But of course play with Eichel would be more dangerous for opponents, like Eichel`s play with Laine. But you forgot Bjork. IMHO he deserved to play with Eichel too. Of course if he would be traded here. But if Bufallo, I prefer Reinhart. Besides he can play on wing too.

 

[Viqsi]

There are three incredible players in the next two drafts after this one. Any of the three would be be #1 OA if they could be drafted this year. There are times to suck, and there are times where sucking isn’t so great. We are entering a window where there are three guys that look like sure thing franchise changing players. We’re not talking Jack Hughes type players. We’re talking more Matthews type guys. 3 of them. Guys that have been hyped for a couple of years.

Can Bedard vs. Michkov Become the Next Sid vs. Ovie?

I'm going to say this slowly and with emphasis so it's made absolutely clear:

I.
Don't.
Care.

I don't care about the scouting, I don't care about the highlights, I don't care about the reviews, I don't care about the comparisons, I don't care how much hype there is, I don't care how long folks have been babbling about this stuff, I don't care if "this time it's different" or whatever the f***, I Don't Care. It's all still the same old braindead One True Savior narrative that has always failed. Always. Always always always. Every single time. No exceptions, ever, not once in the NHL's entire lifetime; it is the most constant thing in the history of hockey. Even Wayne f***ing Gretzky needed his supporting cast. Not one team has ever in the entire history of organized professional hockey been resurrected by this Single Savior bullshit. Not ONE. But hundreds upon hundreds - perhaps even THOUSANDS - have been utterly ruined by the pursuit of that fool's gold dumbf***ery. And if that becomes the core objective of this team, I'm f***ing done.

Every f***ing rough year, it's the same old bullshit. "Oh, but you gotta hear about this kid, Everything Will Be Better." NO. f*** that shit. I'm done with it, I'm not hearing it. It's the same g-ddamn narrative every time with the same g-ddamned failure result every time, and I am no longer tolerating this nonsense. If anyone wants to go play Russian Roulette, fine, they can do their silly gambling-or-death nonsense, but don't do it with my team.

If we luck into getting someone like that, great. Trying to force it is death.