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Buffalo Bills 2014 Draft: Rd1#4 WR Sammy Watkins; Rd2#44 C. Kouandjio; Stevie traded

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misterchainsaw

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Beerz said:
Darren Sproles was had for a 5th. Why pay a 4th for Brown?
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Sproles is nearing/at breakdown age for NFL running backs (30). Brown is turning 23 in a few days. Combined with the future uncertainty of the Bills backs (Jackson's age, Spiller's re-signability), Brown has loads more value for Buffalo than Sproles would.
 
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jflory81 said:
Sproles is nearing/at breakdown age for NFL running backs (30). Brown is turning 23 in a few days. Combined with the future uncertainty of the Bills backs (Jackson's age, Spiller's re-signability), Brown has loads more value for Buffalo than Sproles would.
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Sproles isn't close to breaking down. He's never carried the ball that much.

He's the better football player and according to the Bills they want to "win now".

I'm not saying the Bills should of gone out and got Sproles because I view Spiller as a similar player but .. I think the value placed on players in the NFL is whack.
 
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Beerz said:
Sproles isn't close to breaking down. He's never carried the ball that much.

He's the better football player and according to the Bills they want to "win now".

I'm not saying the Bills should of gone out and got Sproles because I view Spiller as a similar player but .. I think the value placed on players in the NFL is whack.
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You could argue that he's already started to. Last year's YPC was lower than every season he's played but one (2009 with the Chargers) and his TD numbers were lower than any other year since he's been utilized as a receiver except one as well (2010). It's not always about wear and tear - if Sproles loses a step he loses his elite speed, and that's the sole attribute that makes him effective in the NFL. At 30, guys start losing a step.

EDIT: I didn't include return stats because the first site I went to didn't include it in the career stats, but the most significant drop in his stats is in the return game. Granted the kick returns suffer from small sample size due to the change in kickoff rules, but his 21.3 was three full yards lower than any other season in his career, and 5 yards lower from the year before (the only other season with the new kickoff rules). He also had the worst punt return numbers of his career (excepting his rookie season) in the most returns of his career.

You also touched on another reason why Sproles didn't have that high of a value in your post. He's never been an every down back. He's started 19 games in his NFL career. Bryce Brown has the potential to be an every down back - he's already started a quarter of the games in two years than Sproles has in his entire career.
 
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Sproles is almost done. Had a few injuries last year, is no more then a pass catcher, change of pack back and is already turning 31 next month. You honestly think a 5'6 31 year old scat back is going to last longer or be more productive then Bryce Brown? Brown was incredible in 2012 filling in for McCoy. I can see him being a #1 back in 2015 if Spiller leaves and Freddy either retires or just re-signs for one more year to be a strictly backup RB.

So our offense is set. QB-done, drafted one in the 1st. And even if Manuel struggles usually you give a 1st round QB more then 26 career games before you anoint him a bust. RB and WR is loaded. Tight end is adequate. Chandler is a good big target and Moeaki is a wild card. Lee Smith can be our blocking TE. Our OL has improved a lot since the off season. Wood and Glenn are both elite players and versatile and Urbik graded out as a top 20 guard in the league. Adding Kouandjio, Richardson and Chris Williams to fight with Legursky, Pears and Hairston sounds good to me. On defense our DL is completely set, I mean Dareus,KW and Branch at DT and Mario, Hughes and Lawson at end. Linebacker seems OK, Alonso is elite and Spikes elite at stopping the run. Rivers, Bradham, Brown round out the core. I expect us to sign one more linebacker. We could always drop Lawson back too. We are deep at CB with Gilmore and McKelvin rated very high this last year. Robey is a great nickel back, Brooks is good enough as a #5 and Graham will be a solid #4. Safety is a slight concern depending on Searcy. Overall, this team will be very competitive. 8-8 sounds good to me and playoffs the year after (hopefully)
 
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jflory81 said:
You could argue that he's already started to. Last year's YPC was lower than every season he's played but one (2009 with the Chargers) and his TD numbers were lower than any other year since he's been utilized as a receiver except one as well (2010). It's not always about wear and tear - if Sproles loses a step he loses his elite speed, and that's the sole attribute that makes him effective in the NFL. At 30, guys start losing a step.

EDIT: I didn't include return stats because the first site I went to didn't include it in the career stats, but the most significant drop in his stats is in the return game. Granted the kick returns suffer from small sample size due to the change in kickoff rules, but his 21.3 was three full yards lower than any other season in his career, and 5 yards lower from the year before (the only other season with the new kickoff rules). He also had the worst punt return numbers of his career (excepting his rookie season) in the most returns of his career.

You also touched on another reason why Sproles didn't have that high of a value in your post. He's never been an every down back. He's started 19 games in his NFL career. Bryce Brown has the potential to be an every down back - he's already started a quarter of the games in two years than Sproles has in his entire career.
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There is also the fact that everyone in the league knew Sproles would get cut if they didn't trade him. Brown didn't have to be traded.

It's interesting to hear that the Bills were trying to acquire Brown last year.
 
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Playoffs and 2 wins upsetting NE in the Divisional Round....to be fair I predicted playoffs and 2 playoff wins back in March on my FB and I don't like basing predictions off a draft. So I'll stick with it.
 

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Bills are weak at LB, especially run-stopping. Whom would you have taken instead?

I'm confident BUF will acquire a QB in Rd 7 or as UDFA, or in pre-season. It is clear they are committed to EJ at least for this season. A stop-gap vet backup can be found. An adequate rookie can be found in Rd7 or as UDFA.

edit: those who know me on these boards know I am far from being PC, but "inept" or "nonsensical" may be better adjectives than "Pejorative Slured".
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I would have taken Nix or maybe even Savage, the worthwhile lb's were already gone at that point. We brought Spikes in to be our ILB who'll stop the run, i'd defer to him over a guy with conditioning issues and limited athleticism.
Grabbing a guy in the 7th or as an UDFA is something at least, I would have just prefered they get a guy with a little more talent and upside. McCarron, Murray, Savage, Mettenberger >>> Someone like Boyd. This draft was loaded with qb talent and we completely ignored it. I understand not bringing in a guy like Vick or drafting a qb early who might shake Manuel's confidence, but drafting someone in the 7th or picking one up off the scrap heap is putting all your eggs in one basket and I'm sorry but Manuel hasn't shown nearly enough for that to be a competent game plan going forward.
my apologies on the "Pejorative Slured" comment, I just don't get the logic behind trading a 5th rounder for a 5th rounder and a 7th. When there were useful qb's that could have been great developmental guys in case Manuel flops.
 
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Beerz said:
Darren Sproles was had for a 5th. Why pay a 4th for Brown?
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It seems as if the deal was a pick swap in the 7th round + an undisclosed 2015 pick. Buffalo doesnt have a 4th to give since they traded it to Cleveland. SR deal appears to be a 4th that could be a 3rd based on stats.

My feeling this could turn into a high pick if it ends up he carrying the load in Buffalo this year. If he rides the bench and touches the ball about 3 times a game or so then it may only be a 6th or 7th.
 
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Well I think we can see Marrone's preference for linemen:

Glenn 6'6'' 345
Williams 6'6'' 326
Wood 6'4'' 310
Urbik 6'5'' 324
Kouandjio 6'7'' 322
Richardson 6'4'' 329

That's pretty massive.
 
SundherDome

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Sam was suppose to be a 7th-FA range. I honestly think tha this agent or someone told him to come out because it will help his draft stock, he will get in headlines, his team already knew and some NFL team may want to show the world that they are tolerant and draft him higher. Downfall is he is slow, very weak and lacks burst.
 

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And there goes Boyd and Gilbert. There won't even be anything worthwhile as far as UDFA go. All in on Manuel! Why have a backup plan for the most important position in the game?
 
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