Confirmed Trade: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel, c.'23 3rd for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, c.'22 1st (Top10 protected), c.'23 2nd

[Mr Positive]

when you don't know the timeline of a surgery never done before to a hockey player, it's a substantial risk IMO

That doesnt mean that the risk is large. There will be a recovery, and that timeline is likely accurate. But, theres no reason to stick a number on it yet

 

[Kupo]

Go read the Sabres board from months ago. We wanted Tuch, Krebs and multiple picks. We got it. Thrilled.

Do you think Krebs is a great prospect?

 

[Stumbling Jack]

Vegas is going to miss Tuch come playoff time. Huge gamble IMO

 

[PromisedLand]

look at the freakin' projected deadline cap space for VGK
Vegas Golden Knights Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think VGK is going to overload their roster for the playoffs

 

[Grumpy1]

Probably as good as they could get for an injured player. Not many teams have the cap space or willing to give up a ton of prospects/picks

 

[Shocker]

Krebs is not far off Zegras as prospects
Tuch is better than Comtois
We got our 1st plus.

Very close TBH. We got what we wanted.

Buhahaha, holy shit.

 

[aufheben]

 

[Terry Yake]

the rumor a few months back is that they were asking for both drysdale and zegras from the ducks

pretty underwhelming return considering what they were asking for before

 

[PromisedLand]

Shit return for Buffalo.

Finally! Decent haul for Buffalo. I hope Krebs turns into a stud.

these two posts were right next to each other.

The HF conundrum

 

[Habs Halifax]

That doesnt mean that the risk is large. There will be a recovery, and that timeline is likely accurate. But, theres no reason to stick a number on it yet

Personally, I don't think the recovery time is the risky part. The part is after he recovers and starts getting hit with the artificial disk replacement and the unproven historical data on how it can sustain physical contact. We won't know any of this for a few years yet after Eichel plays a season or two and this becomes in the past. It could be a steal for the Knights or they look like idiots if Eichel has problems down the road.

An interesting risk for the Knights to take but I can see why they did it. They are missing that 1C piece. And now they got to survive in the flat cap until the NHLPA balance is paid off to the owners and the cap grows again. Might take 2-3 more years.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don’t see any winner in this. Buffalo’s GM and Owner should be forced out for how they handled this.

Buffalo: New GM boxed himself into a corner, partiality due to his medical team, and gets some futures and a second line winger. They were initially asking for each team’s best young asset and suggesting that certain teams didn’t have the pieces to make it work, and then they end up taking a deal from a team with very few futures. They spited their own rebuild to not look weak and to send him out west. They almost certainly had better offers months ago.

Vegas: They gave up nothing, but good luck making the cap work the next few seasons.

Eichel: He doesn’t go to one of the two reported destinations he wanted to go to, his 2021-22 season is ruined, and he may not get to play in the Olympics.

 

[CupInSIX]

You know it's a shitshow when someone owes an apology to Larry Brooks.

 

[Husko]

But Krebs is untouchable and Vegas wouldn't trade him for Eichel straight up

 

[Sticksandsun]

If Vegas drops to top 10, what does the 2022 1st become?

I'm like 95% sure Vegas is going to pull a Tampa here and just keep him sidelined until the playoffs.

Are they a playoff lock? Their underlying numbers are terrible, they look bad live too. Pacioretty out for 1-2 more months, no cap space to do anything.

 

[kevsh]

I doubt Adams had many options here so imo a decent return for an injured player who doesn't want to be in Buffalo anymore. The Sabres add an NHL player, a prospect and lottery tickets, which is more than they had yesterday.

Completely different conclusion if we're talking about a healthy Eichel and it's a pure hockey trade.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Why are people stunned a player getting an experimental back surgery making 10m didn't get his full value if healthy? If Eichel stays healthy Vegas wins deal. If he can't stay healthy, Vegas franchise is wrecked for 5 years giving up youth, money/cap and picks.

I agree to an extent, this could turn into a win win for both teams. With the cap so tight now, teams that are top heavy and bottom light are not always in the best position. Buffalo can turn Eichel's salary into 2 very good players at 5M a per. Tuch is a good solid heavy player that is hard to play against. If Krebs can develop into a top 6 player, I think he is going to be atleast a top 9. With the added first rd pick if Buffalo picks a solid player, the deal is not looking so bad for them a year or 2 down the line. The bottom line is team improvement, not winning the trade on who has the better scoring stats. This to me determines who wins in a deal. A GM does not have to win every deal in a vacuum to win in the long run if the team is better after a series of deals or moves which cap flexibility allows.

 

[Habs Halifax]

the rumor a few months back is that they were asking for both drysdale and zegras from the ducks

pretty underwhelming return considering what they were asking for before

No doubt about it.... the asking price was high for a player who has disk problems and wants artificial replacement where the impacts of physical contact is undetermined. Most of us felt the actual return would never be what both the Sabres fans and management were trying to get. The return is solid but nowhere near the asking price.

 

[kanucks25]

Is this enough for a fully healthy and happy Eichel? Of course not.

Is it enough for Eichel given the current situation? I think so.

Important to note that Buffalo did not retain nor take any cap dumps back, which is like the value of a few draft picks on its own.

 

[NotPetya]

f*** me.... Vegas did well here.

I need that gif from Wolf of Wall Street….

Jean-Jacques Saurel nodding “…..uh, YES!….”

 

[nbwingsfan]

That doesn't negate what I said. Vegas is much more likely to get a top-10 pick than them having the 32nd pick (there's 32 teams now BTW since you were implying you fear them winning the SC).

What makes them more likely to be bottom 10? They were a top contender already and just got Jack Eichel… (assuming he plays this season)

 

[GrumpyKoala]

With current injuries the GK forwards group look AHL++ level.

I guess this is the move to acknowledge that yep, this season is over.

I thought that was the year where the pacific was to emerge out of the basement to be better than the Central and the Atlantic.

Vegas is quiting on me

 

[NotPetya]

look at the freakin' projected deadline cap space for VGK
Vegas Golden Knights Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I think VGK is going to overload their roster for the playoffs

Again, I need Saurel nodding “…..YES!….”

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

I told yall. I told y’all it was gonna be way lower than what you thought

 

[Eegs]

the rumor a few months back is that they were asking for both drysdale and zegras from the ducks

pretty underwhelming return considering what they were asking for before

I never understand these arguments. Just because that's what the Sabres asked, why does that mean they were ever even close to agreeing to such a deal. Ask away of course, but you weren't getting Zegras and Drysdale for Eichel in this environment.

 

[threeVo]

I don’t see any winner in this. Buffalo’s GM and Owner should be forced out for how they handled this.

Buffalo: New GM boxed himself into a corner, partiality due to his medical team, and gets some futures and a second line winger. They were initially asking for each team’s best young asset and suggesting that certain teams didn’t have the pieces to make it work, and then they end up taking a deal from a team with very few futures. They spited their own rebuild to not look weak and to send him out west. They almost certainly had better offers months ago.

Vegas: They gave up nothing, but good luck making the cap work the next few seasons.

Eichel: He doesn’t go to one of the two reported destinations he wanted to go to, his 2021-22 season is ruined, and he may not get to play in the Olympics.

Tell me you are a salty rangers fan without saying you are a salty rangers fan