Confirmed Trade: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel, c.'23 3rd for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, c.'22 1st (Top10 protected), c.'23 2nd

[Kranix]

Did they?

Could you please let is know what teams offered and your source behind those offers?

If this was Adams' ask in May, and Vegas hemmed and hawed until now, good on Adams.

 

[AvroArrow]

It’s hilarious that so many of them are trying to spin this as a win for Buffalo too.

There's no universe where this is a win for them, absolute robbery by Vegas. Not too long ago people were calling Eichel a top 5 C in the league, at worst he's top 10, This is a VERY underwhelming return.

Quantity does not equal quality, Tuch is decent but far from a great player. Same with Krebs, decent prospect not even close to being considered an elite prospect and a 1st. I am truly shocked that nobody was able to give them a better offer than that.

 

[tsujimoto74]

So all of the whining by Sabre fans about other teams trade proposals and they end up less than those proposals.
Maybe this will work for the Sabres. Kinda like George Costanza doing the opposite of his natural instinct.

This is a substantially better return than 95% of Eichel proposals made by other teams' fans.
Of course it's underwhelming compared to the player Eichel is when he's healthy. It was always going to be. You can't trade a player of Jack's caliber and win the talent exchange.

 

[North Cole]

Buffalo made out like bandits in this trade. This will be like the erik Karlsson trade 2.0.

1) Buffalo was brutal WITH eichel; yet performs way better without him. Huge red flag in my opinion.. especially with rumors swirling that Eichel is a drama queen

2) losing Tuch will hurt vegas more than they think; depth guys like that help you win. The rest of the return in Krebs + picks is very solid.

3) eichel is a phenomenal talent, but he'll never be the same after the surgery.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, thats fine. I'll PM you in a few years to say I told you so.

I'm not even sure it's Karlsson 2.0. The way they rebounded I was thinking more like E Kane. Soon as the Sharks got him out of there they started to play like an actual team. Granted, the Sabres seem to always start hot and I still expect them to be in the lottery somewhere.

 

[threeVo]

Wins for Vegas: Eichel. Bonafide star when 100% healthy. Downside is they have assumed a TON of risk.

Wins for Buffalo: Young Center, top 6 winger with term, Magic bean in a loaded draft. Loads of cap space. Downside is that 2/3 are unknowns.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Vegas finally gets a 1c

who checks into a hospital

 

[TonySoprano]

Damn I thought it was his destiny to to play in Manhattan.

 

[WaW]

LOL, it's amusing how much the Canes management gets under the skin of some posters. Like Dundon and the Canes management needs the adoration of HF posters so they'll drum up fake reports. In case you haven't been watching, they clearly aren't afraid to make moves that fans actually DON'T like. Much of the fan base didn't like: trading Ned, signing DeAngelo, not making a competitive offer to Dougie, trading Bean, letting John Forslund and Chuck Kaiton go, etc.... They make moves that they think will help the team win and help the bottom line, period and aren't afraid to look bad to the fan base in doing so.

It's regularly reported that Carolina pretty much kicks the tires on everyone so it's not surprising there was "interest". I doubt there was serious interest though, simply because the Canes didn't have the assets that they'd want to part with.

Canes don't have a 1st and Canes don't have a "Tuch" equivalent

 

[ETTER DE]

So basically a protected first a top prospect and a roster player. Just like many of you predicted was the going rate for a player that wants out.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Friedman was on Toronto radio this morning and said he thinks the Sabres asked for Tkachuk and the Flames said no, not the other way around where the Flames were offering him. My guess is Flames offered Monahan, a prospect and a first and the Sabres liked Krebs alot better.

Boy Monahans value has sure tanked when Alex Tuch is chosen over you.

 

[displacedsabre]

We had Buffalo fans in our forums saying that, pretty often tb, granted mctavish was the 3rd overall.

def saw

drysdale + mctavish + 1st +

Do you get angry at flat-earthers?

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I feel for Krebs. He's a nice player, but I feel like this trade puts pressure on him to be more than he realistically can be.

It's tough to be the center prospect in a Jack Eichel trade.

 

[Kranix]

So all of the whining by Sabre fans about other teams trade proposals and they end up less than those proposals.
Maybe this will work for the Sabres. Kinda like George Costanza doing the opposite of his natural instinct.

There was only 2 or 3 Sabres fans who were like 'I'd do Krebs+Hague+Theodore+1st 2022+1st in 2023'

 

[Varan]

he James Harden'ed his way outta there

 

[Silky Johnson]

Rochester, like plenty of US cities, are still dealing with the affects of redlining.

And visiting a place and living there are two different things entirely.

And we can throw articles around for a long time...

Why Rochester, New York Is The Best Small City in America for Vegans

The article I posted is from a reputable agency using statistics that "looks at variables like crime rates, employment growth, access to restaurants and attractions, educational attainment and housing affordability to determine the worst cities to live in across the country."

You posted an article that talks about vegan restaurants.

I stand corrected...

You live where you live and I live where I live and I'm sure they are both great!

 

[NotPetya]

Lehner is a dumpster fire. Not sure what Vegas was doing signing him long term.

Soon enough? Bring you to tears and returning those blasphemous words to your throat.

Don’t f*** with The Panda.

 

[sens13]

that's actually a pretty bad return. vegas first will be late. tuch/krebs are good pieces but sabres only got 2 good pieces after waiting so long.

 

[Empoleon8771]

As a neutral fan, I think Vegas is making a huge mistake. They've taken a really good team with a lot of energy and drive and traded most of it away to end up with a team of high salaries and aging players. Eichel doesn't necessarily fit the aging part, but if the surgery has any complications, he might seem like an older player.

Given all the moves they've made since they came into the league their first season, I don't think they have what it takes now to win a cup before their first tear down and rebuild. Their window is closed.

I think the Sabres didn't get everything they probably wanted, but a clean sheet from the Eichel situation is probably the biggest win of the whole thing, so I like that it is over for them and they can move forward with what looks like a young and exciting team.

Are you kidding? If anything, I think acquiring Eichel will make Vegas the next dynasty in hockey.

Eichel, Stone and Pietrangelo is arguably the best core of 3 players in all of hockey.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Has Eichel's preference for thee specific type of neck surgery been agreed upon by VGK? (assumed it was...?)

Good value= Eich returns as 85% the player he was prior to injury. *(whenever that happens)

Great value for Vegas...if Eichel returns 100% *(whenever that happens...April/May or 2022 start)

Risk on both teams.

Guessing BUF saw Suzuki become a 1C in short order & KA is hoping for a similar outcome. Otherwise, surely some other team had to have (had) a better offer.

Surprised KA accepted a W. Should've only accepted Top6C & Top4D (young roster players/prospects).

I feel bad for BUF fans, they deserve better than this return/outcome.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Friedman was on Toronto radio this morning and said he thinks the Sabres asked for Tkachuk and the Flames said no, not the other way around where the Flames were offering him. My guess is Flames offered Monahan, a prospect and a first and the Sabres liked Krebs alot better.

Boy Monahans value has sure tanked when Alex Tuch is chosen over you.

Ya I highly doubt Flames ever offered up Tkachuk... let alone Tkachuk +++ lol

 

[The Management]

I think it's fine, considering Eichel was injured, carried a big cap hit, and wanted out. Hard for Buffalo to leverage a big return in that situation. I'm sure the franchise will be happy to put the drama behind them and move on. Tuch is also a pretty good player.

With that said, I think this is a good gamble for Vegas, and it's hard not to feel sort of bad for how this all panned out for Buffalo.

 

[nbwingsfan]

There's no universe where this is a win for them, absolute robbery by Vegas. Not too long ago people were calling Eichel a top 5 C in the league, at worst he's top 10, This is a VERY underwhelming return.

Quantity does not equal quality, Tuch is decent but far from a great player. Same with Krebs, decent prospect not even close to being considered an elite prospect and a 1st. I am truly shocked that nobody was able to give them a better offer than that.

Exactly.

So many Buffalo fans laughed and said proposals such as :

Zegras/Drysdsle +
Seider + Raymond
Byfield + Valardi
Kakko + Lafreniere +
Tkachuk + Pelletier + multiple 1sts

All of this wasn’t enough to them. Now suddenly this is an amazing deal…

 

[flyerslducks]

Buffalo made out like bandits in this trade. This will be like the erik Karlsson trade 2.0.

1) Buffalo was brutal WITH eichel; yet performs way better without him. Huge red flag in my opinion.. especially with rumors swirling that Eichel is a drama queen

2) losing Tuch will hurt vegas more than they think; depth guys like that help you win. The rest of the return in Krebs + picks is very solid.

3) eichel is a phenomenal talent, but he'll never be the same after the surgery.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, thats fine. I'll PM you in a few years to say I told you so.

vegas has depth, they should be fine when healthy "+ fa/trades/more prospects incoming.

 

[Kranix]

Different players hold different value for different GMs

 

[displacedsabre]

I feel for Krebs. He's a nice player, but I feel like this trade puts pressure on him to be more than he realistically can be.

It's tough to be the center prospect in a Jack Eichel trade.

It will be a great start if he just doesnt demand we fire coaches and GMs when he pleases