Confirmed with Link: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel & 3rd-2023(BUF) FOR Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, 1st-2022(VGK) & 2nd-2023(VGK)

[Fjordy]

The first is actually conditional. It is top 10 protected.

If Vegas 1st falls in the top 10, then Buffalo gets their 2023 1st round pick.

But Vegas won't falls the top 10.

 

[jc17]

I’m fully on board with Vegas shitting the bed this season and missing the playoffs, but as it stands, I’m treating their 1st as being roughly the same position as last season.

Hell will break loose if they're sitting in the top 10 range and eichels "recovery" lasts through the end of the year.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

The first is actually conditional. It is top 10 protected.

If Vegas 1st falls in the top 10, then Buffalo gets their 2023 1st round pick.

Okay
But everyone was talking about the pick being based on Eichel’s health and some saying we send the aquirungvteams picks based on Eichel’s health. That’s what I meant

 

[Daz28]

I really hope he didn't turn down any package that included Troy Terry. You can say how would he know, but it's his job to know. Right now a package of Terry, B prospect and a top 5 protected 1st looks like a good deal.

 

[Chainshot]

Botterill accumulated picks, hired scouting staff, re-built Rochester. As time goes on, the Botterill drafts are looking actually very strong.

And he was a terrible team builder.

Tearing down is easy. Building is hard.

The idea that Adams > Botterill is something that needs time. One season in, they are at the same spot. Almost eerily the same, actually. Finished last the season before, won the lotto, drafted a franchise d-man, have a ton of picks in an upcoming draft due to trading a top line center. Adams has a bit of an advantage in that Botterill left a partially stocked cupboard whereas Murray burned through nearly all his draft capital.

The idea that this is the "right" culture is far too early to tell. A lot of Adams ideas make for a great sound bite but don't work in reality.

Botterill frittered away picks and talent, did very little to “build” Rochester and was inept at almost everything he did.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Anyone expecting a embedded episode on the Eichel trade events ?

 

[Fjordy]

Anyone expecting a embedded episode on the Eichel trade events ?

I hope to see him, at least so that TehDoak can see that there were no better offers in the summer.

 

[TehDoak]

Anyone expecting a embedded episode on the Eichel trade events ?

Probably not on the trade itself, more like something around Tuch and Krebs though.

I hope to see him, at least so that TehDoak can see that there were no better offers in the summer.

I'm sure the Pegula Sports and Entertainment Produced Sabres TV segment will air any details that will make the team look bad.

 

[Fjordy]

I'm sure the Pegula Sports and Entertainment Produced Sabres TV segment will air any details that will make the team look bad.

Well, it would be difficult to offer something better from other teams than Krebs + Tuch + 1st, maybe 1-2 prospects in the league I like more than Krebs, and one of them is Zegras, but obviously he was not on the table. Tuch, which makes too much sense to Buffalo. Therefore, it seems that Adams was not in vain waiting for this return.

 

[tsujimoto74]

The first is actually conditional. It is top 10 protected.

If Vegas 1st falls in the top 10, then Buffalo gets their 2023 1st round pick.

The important thing is that there are no conditions related to Eichel's recovery or performance, which everyone thought was a given. Also worth noting that the top 10 protection kicks all of the picks a year later, so, if the condition is triggered, it becomes a swap of VGK's (then) unprotected 2023 1st and 2024 2nd for Buffalo's 2024 3rd.

 

[old kummelweck]

Eichel would have had surgery yesterday or today, right?

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Well, it would be difficult to offer something better from other teams than Krebs + Tuch + 1st, maybe 1-2 prospects in the league I like more than Krebs, and one of them is Zegras, but obviously he was not on the table. Tuch, which makes too much sense to Buffalo. Therefore, it seems that Adams was not in vain waiting for this return.

Maybe a KA "NOOOOO, I'm not taking that" moment like the draft embedded

 

[joshjull]

Eichel would have had surgery yesterday or today, right?

Good to hear

 

[Chainshot]

Good to hear

Good for him. From a quality of life perspective, hopefully this provides the relief he needs.

 

[Dex]

Good for him. From a quality of life perspective, hopefully this provides the relief he needs.

And the safety and durability of the artificial disc that will be required in the sport of hockey.

 

[dugman]

Did he get the breast augmentation and nose job at the same time, or is that separate?

 

[Sabre Dance]

Eichel could change how all sports treat these injuries. Good for him.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I really hope he didn't turn down any package that included Troy Terry. You can say how would he know, but it's his job to know. Right now a package of Terry, B prospect and a top 5 protected 1st looks like a good deal.

Even Ducks fans this summer had Terry as more of a throw in that was him, Steel or Lundestrom.

 

[Daz28]

Even Ducks fans this summer had Terry as more of a throw in that was him, Steel or Lundestrom.

I agree, but ideally GMKA has a better handle on identifying talent than fans. To be good a GM you have to see things others don't. It's looking now like it would have been a very shrewd move, and fans are allowed a lot more hindsight than GM's are. I'm just saying if he was part of a good package, that may have been a miss, but that's also based on how Krebs and Tuck work out, too.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I agree, but ideally GMKA has a better handle on identifying talent than fans. To be good a GM you have to see things others don't. It's looking now like it would have been a very shrewd move, and fans are allowed a lot more hindsight than GM's are. I'm just saying if he was part of a good package, that may have been a miss, but that's also based on how Krebs and Tuck work out, too.

He’s not as talented as Steel, but he’s a prick to play against. I figured he’d top out as a 3rd liner, but he looks like a 2nd liner now.

Mind you, we also don’t know the full Anaheim offer. All we know is Gibson was offered as a return.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

I think I’d be less bitter towards Eichel if he hadn’t signed that 8 year deal.

I remember reports from the time saying that Eichel “only wanted to negotiate a max term contract”.
So was it just all about the pay day for him? Why not sign a bridge deal instead?

As aggravated as I would’ve been at the time, it would be easier to respect him now and not feel so betrayed and feel like he was never really sincere about his commitment to Buffalo.

If he had said “i want to wait and see where the team is at in a few years before committing long term”, I think sabres fans would’ve been sad but most would have understood his position.

But, from all reports, he wanted that 8yr deal. So I think many of us felt like maybe he really was in it for the long haul, despite all the rumors we always heard about how he wasn’t content here. I defended him for years against the “he doesn’t want to be in Buffalo” attacks.

Then we find out that just 2 years into that 8 year deal he requested a trade.

Sorry, but I don’t fully buy his reason either.

He says he asked for a trade because he thought the Sabres were going to rebuild. But they didn’t. Yeah, the Sabres made cuts to the front office/payroll, but so did more than half of NHL teams.

Seravalli: At least 17 NHL teams have reduced pay amid COVID-19 crunch - TSN.ca

Hockey champions laying off 30 workers because of virus

Ducks announce furloughs and layoffs of employees due to coronavirus – Orange County Register

It was an unprecedented time. We were in the middle of the worst pandemic in US history. The NHL was bleeding money, every team operated at a loss. They even had to suspend all operations ffs, then when they came back there were No fans allowed in the stands (the NHL’s main source of revenue, especially for small market teams like Buffalo).

So 2 years after making an 8yr commitment to Buffalo, and during an ongoing pandemic, Eichel asks for a trade because Buffalo (one of the smallest markets in the NHL) makes payroll cuts.

It’s hard not to feel like his commitment to Buffalo was phony, or half-hearted at best.

Yeah, I know other teams didn’t also fire their GM, or fire the amount of people the Sabres did. But I’m unaware of any other NHL player who used it as a reason to request a trade. Seems like kind of a dick move to me.

If Eichel was 1 more GM firing away from requesting a trade, then why sign an 8yr deal?

 

[Bendium]

I agree, but ideally GMKA has a better handle on identifying talent than fans. To be good a GM you have to see things others don't. It's looking now like it would have been a very shrewd move, and fans are allowed a lot more hindsight than GM's are. I'm just saying if he was part of a good package, that may have been a miss, but that's also based on how Krebs and Tuck work out, too.

One of the best things GMKA did was bring in and build what has to be a top 5 analytics department. I have to believe they are having a big say in these trade and target matters.

 

[Gabrielor]

It’s hard not to feel like his commitment to Buffalo was phony, or half-hearted at best.

Hopping in here to say, for me, it felt that way from the start of that contract. It was always 'what can we do for Jack?", not "what can Jack do for us".

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Hoping in here to say, for me, it felt that way from the start of that contract. It was always 'what can we do for Jack?", not "what can Jack do for us".

Yeah it certainly felt that way for me as well. Lots of talk about “what can we do to keep Jack happy?” Will Eichel like this move/signing/hire, etc.

obviously some of that was just wanting to build around our best player. But a lot of it was out of worry he wasn’t content here. I always wanted to believe he was, and often defended his commitment to Buffalo on the main boards.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

NRD & Merriman, Eichel was not a complete dickhead narrative in Buffalo, after 11:30 or so
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