BuffaloGooner
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The pod has gotten worse over the years. Biz is awesome, truly one of the best hockey personalities. RA doesn’t belong, Grinelli is a try hard, and Whit is honestly just a dick now. It’s a strange dynamic.
Confirmed with Link: [BUF/VGK] Jack Eichel & 3rd-2023(BUF) FOR Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch, 1st-2022(VGK) & 2nd-2023(VGK)
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MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
It’s basically just hockey bro’s doing locker room talk. It’s fine for the most part, when they’re just sharing stories and shooting the shit, but when they turn frat bro, it’s terrible and cringey.
Why does it feel like Peters asked Eichel to help him with something (maybe a charity event, etc) and Eichel told him to pound rocks.
Seems like its very personal at this point.
I mean, I was not Botts fan, but the way in which Botts was fired would have made me want to leave as well.
Imagine being on a team that hadn't made the playoffs in your 5 years there. The owner brings in someone with no experience to run the team, fires 1/2 of the scouts and a ton of the front office, and talks about how the team is going to be effective, efficient, and economical.
I'd running for the door too.
They needed gone
Draft picks straight out of media guide. Low success rate in getting to nhl
Horrible trades. Montour for a first and a prospect. Hunwick and sheary cap dumps. ROR trade. Etc. he needed to go before more damage was done
let’s be honest. Don’t know how this is going to work out but gmka is making moves to build the prospect pool to try to get us to playoff level. Botts trades were to get us 3rd and 4th liners. And botts wasn’t the wily veteran. This was his first gm role and maybe his last. He got lucky landing with the kracken
As I said, I wasn't a fan (and that is putting it lightly)
However, he wasn't fired for his job performance. He was fired for refusing to ax a bunch of people and run a team on a skeleton staff to save the Pegula's money.
Don't ever forget that Adams was hired because of a boot licking level of loyalty to the Pegula's. It's his only qualification. He was willing to send people to the unemployment line during a pandemic when no sports team was hiring.
how do you know botts wasn’t fired for poor performance? i honestly have no idea how one could arrive upon that conclusion on their own
it’s seems like you just hate the pegulas for whatever reason and are trying your hardest to come up with more stuff to fuel your pre-existing bias
i dunno how he could be upset about that. botts was an objectively terrible gm. failed at drafting, developing, hiring coaches, his trades were mostly bad other than joki, he panic signed skinner to a massive contract that he’ll never live up to, etc.
ValJamesDuex
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The full narrative from EF was that he was unhappy because there was another rebuild coming post Bott's firing.
Then with everything else after it became personal between Jack and Pegula's in the end. That EF interview would of been a whopper if the trade doesn't come down.
EF also said Jack told the Sabres he would come back and play if they let him have his surgery to increase his trade value, then his captaincy was removed.
tsujimoto74
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Right. Why on earth would the Sabres want a guy who's literally trying to play his way off the team anywhere near the actual team, much less captaining it?
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ValJamesDuex
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Don't kill the messenger, I'm just mentioning what was said.
One does wonder what what the original Rangers offer was (if there actually was one) back in in 2019.
old kummelweck
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That's not entirely an accurate paraphrase. He was unhappy after the Botterill firing as he heard rumblings of another rebuild. He said he didn't want to go through that, and Adam's tried to keep Eichel happy and went out and got Staal, Hall, and made some other moves to try and pump up the roster a little. I actually give Adams credit for threading the needle on doing this without selling off the Sabres future by trading picks or getting into long-term deals. He continued to take this approach with this roster.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I think Adams was trying to keep the owners happy with the approach he took to last season.
There were rumors that he wanted to move Eichel and the Pegulas overruled him.
Regardless, he did do as well as could be reasonably expected given the circumstances without mortgaging the future.
joshjull
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One thing this trade has me thinking about is the NHL’s retention rules.
They should change retaining cap hits away from evenly across the contract. Teams should be able to retain what they want year to year. They can’t skip years (like retain year 1 and year 3 but not year 2) but they don’t need to retain for more than one year either. Still keep it at 50% as the max retention and the salary is still spread out over the full contract.
An example to hopefully make this clearer
Player X contract is 5mil per for 4 years (20mil total)
Current rules
Retaining 25% = 1.25mil per x 4 yrs (5mil total)
What I’m proposing is a team retaining 25% of Player X contract could retain the entire 25% (5mil total) in year one. Making it much more helpful to facilitate a trade than the current rules which only allow 1.25mil retained a year at 25% retention. Then the acquiring team wouldn’t need to worry about that cap hit for entire season and can wait until the following offseason to work it out.
I’m sure there is a down side to this I’m not seeing. So if you think of one let me know. But I think this rule change would facility more trades/player movement.
Specific to the Jack trade…….
20% of Jack’s deal is 10mil. Under the current rules retaining that would be 2mil a year for 5yrs. There isn’t much value there. Nor does it help that much to facilitate a trade.
But under the rules I’m proposing we would be allowed to retain the entire 10mil in year one. Actual salary still spread out over the full contract (2mil per) . Obviously this would have enormous value to teams interested in acquiring him. They wouldn’t have to account for his cap hit at all until next season. When it would be easier to deal with because they’d have an entire offseason to work on it.
They should change retaining cap hits away from evenly across the contract. Teams should be able to retain what they want year to year. They can’t skip years (like retain year 1 and year 3 but not year 2) but they don’t need to retain for more than one year either. Still keep it at 50% as the max retention and the salary is still spread out over the full contract.
An example to hopefully make this clearer
Player X contract is 5mil per for 4 years (20mil total)
Current rules
Retaining 25% = 1.25mil per x 4 yrs (5mil total)
What I’m proposing is a team retaining 25% of Player X contract could retain the entire 25% (5mil total) in year one. Making it much more helpful to facilitate a trade than the current rules which only allow 1.25mil retained a year at 25% retention. Then the acquiring team wouldn’t need to worry about that cap hit for entire season and can wait until the following offseason to work it out.
I’m sure there is a down side to this I’m not seeing. So if you think of one let me know. But I think this rule change would facility more trades/player movement.
Specific to the Jack trade…….
20% of Jack’s deal is 10mil. Under the current rules retaining that would be 2mil a year for 5yrs. There isn’t much value there. Nor does it help that much to facilitate a trade.
But under the rules I’m proposing we would be allowed to retain the entire 10mil in year one. Actual salary still spread out over the full contract (2mil per) . Obviously this would have enormous value to teams interested in acquiring him. They wouldn’t have to account for his cap hit at all until next season. When it would be easier to deal with because they’d have an entire offseason to work on it.
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old kummelweck
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There certainly is no ambiguity around Adam's loyalty. That became crystal clear when he took over and cleaned house. I think in general it is an interesting (and speculative) discussion as to whom exactly he was attempting to keep happy and when. Was it Eichel or the Pegulas? Was he straddling the fence all along? Friedman (and Eichel) believe the Pegulas were the ones where the relationship soured. I actually raised my eyebrow a little during the chichlets interview. How do the Pegula's feel about what Eichel said, and could they feel like Adams maybe played that hand. Or maybe the whole narrative out of the Sabres org was orchestrated to help Adams make the trade.
Because three weeks after receiving a vote of confidence by the Sabres he was fired.
The same day they fired Botterill they laid off a good portion of the staff.
Jason Botterill fired by Sabres after receiving directive to cut spending
It should also be noted, Pegula's decision to fire people and be, his words, " effectively, efficiently and economically" that was the last straw for Eichel.
Botterill was a bad GM. But to replace him with an unqualified hatchet man there to cut costs is turning out to be even worse.
Fjordy
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Wait what? Adams > Botterill
jc17
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A little weird that pegulas would override an eichel trade and then end up being the ones who he felt pushed him out
Zman5778
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Really? When did Eichel say that? Where has it been speculated that this is the case?
This is a clear-cut case of you taking what is being said and turning it around to fit your "Pegula is too cheap" narrative.
Did the Pegulas fire Botts because Botts refused to fire a bunch of staff over the COVID break? Sure seems like it, of that I have no doubts. However, I do believe that this decision is completely, totally, 100% independent of the decision to re-tool the roster the way that RK wanted it.
The Pegulas completely and totally trusted the snake oil salesman that was RK. I believe that Jack saw through it and was like "Nope, I'm done."
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I didn't hear what Eichel said in context around feeling like the Pegulas pushed him out.
From everything I've seen, I think Eichel pushed his way out and not the Pegulas pushing him out. The only thing about the Pegulas and Eichel is that they seemed to react like spurned lovers after Eichel pushed his way out after the Pegulas felt they gave him everything they could give him from the huge contract to the C to perhaps other things like coaching and GM changes.
What has Adams built? Both waited too long to fire a coach and drove a top line center out of town and presided over last place teams that won the draft lotto?
What's the difference again?
People say I'm wrong, I cite my sources. Not really ax grinding.
From the Friedman interview:
"We changed management in 2020....and we weren't in a position where we were going to try and go win...I went to the team and said if that is the route they wanted to take maybe it'd be better to move me"
Jack Eichel explains when things went sideways for him in Buffalo - Sportsnet.ca
Fjordy
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Rebuilt the front office. The analytical department is one of the best in the league. He accumulates picks, unlike previous GMs, makes good trades, got rid of the toxic Eichel, develops youth correctly, does not rush them. At the time, he started a refit considering the strong drafts of 2022 and 2023. Promotes the right culture. I think that's not bad for a GM newbie. Past GMs had things much worse, IMO.
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