Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

[Mpasta]

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

We're going by HFboard polls now?

Hamilton wanted to be moved Vesey knows these things.
Seguin was a Peter Chiarelli trade as was Kessel.

It's more like Chiarelli is notorious for trading young talent.

I agree. I'm sure Vesey is smart enough to realize this.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

I'll be shocked if he signs anywhere but Boston.

He's a Bruin.

If I had to guess who would be most likely AFTER Boston, the list would be something like:

1. Boston Bruins











2. New York Rangers
3. Buffalo Sabres
4. Chicago Blackhawks

and then 5-29 would be teams that don't play in Toronto.

30. Toronto Fable Leafs

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I'd say Buffalo is the one team he doesn't sign with for sure. He'd be signed already, if he was going there.

Listen, I'm a Sabres fan but that's reality. I suppose it's a long shot he sees nothing else he likes.

As for the other teams, just seems like lots of guessing.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

Over the last few years, playing for Chicago has increased the value of that 2nd contract.

Saad - 6
Shaw - 3.9
Leddy - 5.5
Kruger - 3.9

Take a player like Shaw and start his career in Arizona, he doesnt get near that value.

You don't know that at all. Shaw gets paid because of his consistent energy and effort, and he's skilled enough to score some goals as a bonus. It's not like he was tapping in open net passes from Kane and Toews; he earns most of his goals by going to the net, which leads me to believe he'd have similar results on most teams. Playing on Chicago probably helped, but it's not as much as you're saying IMO.

Saad still easily gets 6 or more.

Shaw gets 4M easily. He probably gets more if he were a UFA right now.

Leddy is the ideal "new-NHL defenseman": incredibly mobile transition defender who can skate the puck out of trouble, and beat a forecheck by himself. And while he's not an offensive dynamo, he's good enough to keep offensive zone plays alive and contribute occasionally.

Kruger is overpaid but not by much.

I don't think this has any bearing on Vesey's decision.

In fact, I could argue that the Hawks traded away Jimmy Hayes, and lost Kevin Hayes to UFA the same way Vesey is doing it. Two Boston guys who are friends with Vesey.

NYR have Kreider, Hayes who are BC guys that Vesey knows. Brian Boyle another former BC guy who advised Kevin Hayes to sign there. NYR has been a great team for NCAA guys in general, even outside of BC (Stepan, McDonagh, Skjei).


I still think it's Boston 100%. But, if there's any team that has a chance besides the Bruins, it's NYR.

If he wanted to sign in BUF, he would've. Nobody wants to sign in TOR. And CHI will trade him to a team like CBJ in 3 years when they can't afford him anymore.

NYR has the proximity to his hometown, the BC alumni, the agent connections, the NCAA success, the recent playoff success, and the top-9 spot for him.

If for some reason he doesn't sign with the Bruins, he will be a NY Ranger. You can take that to the bank.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Who was the last player to win the Hobey Baker as a senior and have a decent NHL career? Brendan Morrison?

Guys like Riley Barber and Jake Guentzel have outperformed Vesey, no? Not just at the college level, but at having the courage to turn pro and report to the teams that drafted them. And then scoring points in professional hockey games against professional hockey players.

This Vesey thing amazes me. Being as good as Dominic Moore in college is no small accomplishment, but extrapolating that production to equal the 14th best prospect in hockey? Ridiculous.

Hope August is over soon.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Vesey putting up bozak's production would be a net positive.

Even hayes's production too.

 

[habs03]

Over the last few years, playing for Chicago has increased the value of that 2nd contract.

Saad - 6
Shaw - 3.9
Leddy - 5.5
Kruger - 3.9

Take a player like Shaw and start his career in Arizona, he doesnt get near that value.

Leddy, Shaw and Kruger are ALL on their 3rd contact...

 

[Advanced stats]

I'll be shocked if he signs anywhere but Boston.

He's a Bruin.

If I had to guess who would be most likely AFTER Boston, the list would be something like:

1. Boston Bruins











2. New York Rangers
3. Buffalo Sabres
4. Chicago Blackhawks

and then 5-29 would be teams that don't play in Toronto.

30. Toronto Fable Leafs

Nice to have your ridiculous opinion.

Please tell me what makes Toronto worse than teams 5-29?

Your saying he has a better chance of signing with Nashville or Arizona or Carolina lmao. Clear hater..

 

[kmwtrucks]

You don't know that at all. Shaw gets paid because of his consistent energy and effort, and he's skilled enough to score some goals as a bonus. It's not like he was tapping in open net passes from Kane and Toews; he earns most of his goals by going to the net, which leads me to believe he'd have similar results on most teams. Playing on Chicago probably helped, but it's not as much as you're saying IMO.

Saad still easily gets 6 or more.

Shaw gets 4M easily. He probably gets more if he were a UFA right now.

Leddy is the ideal "new-NHL defenseman": incredibly mobile transition defender who can skate the puck out of trouble, and beat a forecheck by himself. And while he's not an offensive dynamo, he's good enough to keep offensive zone plays alive and contribute occasionally.

Kruger is overpaid but not by much.

I don't think this has any bearing on Vesey's decision.

In fact, I could argue that the Hawks traded away Jimmy Hayes, and lost Kevin Hayes to UFA the same way Vesey is doing it. Two Boston guys who are friends with Vesey.

NYR have Kreider, Hayes who are BC guys that Vesey knows. Brian Boyle another former BC guy who advised Kevin Hayes to sign there. NYR has been a great team for NCAA guys in general, even outside of BC (Stepan, McDonagh, Skjei).


I still think it's Boston 100%. But, if there's any team that has a chance besides the Bruins, it's NYR.

If he wanted to sign in BUF, he would've. Nobody wants to sign in TOR. And CHI will trade him to a team like CBJ in 3 years when they can't afford him anymore.

NYR has the proximity to his hometown, the BC alumni, the agent connections, the NCAA success, the recent playoff success, and the top-9 spot for him.

If for some reason he doesn't sign with the Bruins, he will be a NY Ranger. You can take that to the bank.

SAAD had 23 goals and got 6 mil as a RFA for 4 more years. name a Effort guy like shaw that that got 4 mil as a RFA for 2 more years. They got paid because they learned how to win and showed they can elevate there game in the playoffs.

 

[Speed Shooter]

For me it will either be Chicago or Boston.

For Chicago to maximize his $$$ on second contract and win now, Boston to be near his ailing father.

I have to say it's been impressive to see Vesey and his agents really make this look like a wide open race based on a "short list."

When it's BOS, for 1000 reasons that make too much sense, it spares everyone from any kind of tampering or foul play cries that it wasn't a one-horse race from day he told NAS no thx.

Well played, gents.

 

[Brewins]

I have to say it's been impressive to see Vesey and his agents really make this look like a wide open race based on a "short list."

When it's BOS, for 1000 reasons that make too much sense, it spares everyone from any kind of tampering or foul play cries that it wasn't a one-horse race from day he told NAS no thx.

Well played, gents.

In that tune, we see Bowman, Smow, NYR gm, Devils GM all going to the summer league games, but as far as i know, no sweeney. It's not a haul to get to foxboro. Is he confident vesey will sign?

 

[Semantics]

Over the last few years, playing for Chicago has increased the value of that 2nd contract.

Saad - 6
Shaw - 3.9
Leddy - 5.5
Kruger - 3.9

Take a player like Shaw and start his career in Arizona, he doesnt get near that value.

Yeah that won't happen when they're missing the playoffs or getting bounced in the 1st round.

 

[Eric Sachs]

In that tune, we see Bowman, Smow, NYR gm, Devils GM all going to the summer league games, but as far as i know, no sweeney. It's not a haul to get to foxboro. Is he confident vesey will sign?

to be fair, there are a ton of other NHL players and prospects that they can be watching as well. Sweeney could also very well have been there and not been noticed.

also i haven't seen other reports outside of Snow and Shero.. can you link them?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Yeah that won't happen when they're missing the playoffs or getting bounced in the 1st round.

See how much money you light on fire betting on either of those two outcomes this year. Please have at it.

 

[Mpasta]

Who was the last player to win the Hobey Baker as a senior and have a decent NHL career? Brendan Morrison?

Guys like Riley Barber and Jake Guentzel have outperformed Vesey, no? Not just at the college level, but at having the courage to turn pro and report to the teams that drafted them. And then scoring points in professional hockey games against professional hockey players.

This Vesey thing amazes me. Being as good as Dominic Moore in college is no small accomplishment, but extrapolating that production to equal the 14th best prospect in hockey? Ridiculous.

Hope August is over soon.

What this post tells me is that you probably have never seen him play and the only thing you know about him is that he won the Hobey Baker.

Nobody is saying that he'll be a good player because of the Hobey Baker. Actually, it's rarely brought up in any of these discussions.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

SAAD had 23 goals and got 6 mil as a RFA for 4 more years. name a Effort guy like shaw that that got 4 mil as a RFA for 2 more years. They got paid because they learned how to win and showed they can elevate there game in the playoffs.

Carl Hagelin. And I agree 100% about elevating their game in the playoffs. Why shouldn't that be considered?

 

[bearcountry17]

I'll just say this, if your dad was sick, and you had a chance to transfer close to him to do the same job and make the same money, Would you?

 

[Smitty426]

NYR have Kreider, Hayes who are BC guys that Vesey knows. Brian Boyle another former BC guy who advised Kevin Hayes to sign there. NYR has been a great team for NCAA guys in general, even outside of BC (Stepan, McDonagh, Skjei).

I still think it's Boston 100%. But, if there's any team that has a chance besides the Bruins, it's NYR.

NYR has the proximity to his hometown, the BC alumni, the agent connections, the NCAA success, the recent playoff success, and the top-9 spot for him.

If for some reason he doesn't sign with the Bruins, he will be a NY Ranger. You can take that to the bank.

A similar response :

Veseys family is tight with Fitzgerald family (Devs A GM)
Their boys grew up together, families vacationed with each other.

The Devils are the only team on Veseys first list and last list of teams (means nothing but we are the only team so I like to add it)

Vesey best friend and roommate at Harvard is devs pick Kerfoot, so I gotta believe that trumps the schools being in the same city. And if so, Santini, and Woods are both BC alum.

Hoboken is one train stop from NYC and about the same distance up 95 to his hometown

Vesey would probably be the #2 LW behind Hall, playing with 30 G Kyle Palmieri who played at Notre Dame

And while the NYRs have had recent deep runs in the playoffs, they have come up short and in that process worn out their core players. They have a 1-2 yr window and that's about the time the NJDs will be contending, with a better younger G, a top 5 W in the league in Hall, 2- 30G scorers. He could put Jersey back to the perennial playoff team they were in the past.

Guess we will find out in 4 days

 

[TimeZone]

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

You've summed up what I was going to reply with very nicely. A lot of these NCAA guys don't pan out, and i'm certainly not alone in thinking that this kid is being overhyped. I think he can be a good player, but top 15 prospect in the league? I disagree strongly.

 

[TimeZone]

Who was the last player to win the Hobey Baker as a senior and have a decent NHL career? Brendan Morrison?

Guys like Riley Barber and Jake Guentzel have outperformed Vesey, no? Not just at the college level, but at having the courage to turn pro and report to the teams that drafted them. And then scoring points in professional hockey games against professional hockey players.

This Vesey thing amazes me. Being as good as Dominic Moore in college is no small accomplishment, but extrapolating that production to equal the 14th best prospect in hockey? Ridiculous.

Hope August is over soon.

You and I both.

 

[Sansbacon]

I'd say Buffalo is the one team he doesn't sign with for sure. He'd be signed already, if he was going there.

Listen, I'm a Sabres fan but that's reality. I suppose it's a long shot he sees nothing else he likes.

As for the other teams, just seems like lots of guessing.

Sabres fan here as well, and I agree. I'd be pretty shocked if he ends up signing with Buffalo.

Oh well. RIP, 3rd rounder. I'm sure you would have blossomed into quite the superstar. I hope one of the other three 3rd rounders we had in the draft make up for your demise.

 

[gamer1035]

I'll be shocked if he signs anywhere but Boston.

He's a Bruin.

If I had to guess who would be most likely AFTER Boston, the list would be something like:

1. Boston Bruins











2. New York Rangers
3. Buffalo Sabres
4. Chicago Blackhawks

and then 5-29 would be teams that don't play in Toronto.

30. Toronto Fable Leafs

Why so salty? From this post it looks like your jealous and assuming the leafs are favorites.

Leafs don't need him, he's gonna take a spot from another one of our rookies

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I'll just say this, if your dad was sick, and you had a chance to transfer close to him to do the same job and make the same money, Would you?

Is he sick? I had no idea tbh.

 

[Dogewow]

I'll be shocked if he signs anywhere but Boston.

He's a Bruin.

If I had to guess who would be most likely AFTER Boston, the list would be something like:

1. Boston Bruins











2. New York Rangers
3. Buffalo Sabres
4. Chicago Blackhawks

and then 5-29 would be teams that don't play in Toronto.

30. Toronto Fable Leafs

Prepare to be shocked.

I said it earlier in this thread, the hometown connection thing doesn't amount to as much as people think it does. It's not like the bruins offer the "contenders" status that other teams do, either.

 

[Irishguy42]

to be fair, there are a ton of other NHL players and prospects that they can be watching as well. Sweeney could also very well have been there and not been noticed.

also i haven't seen other reports outside of Snow and Shero.. can you link them?

I'll try to find a link when I get to work, but Gorton has been seen at Foxboro watching Vesey. Not as recently as Snow/Shero, mind you.