Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

[Mjul Qvist]

Did you even understand what he wrote?

So tell me how is that going to hurt Chicago then?

 

[TLEH]

*source doesn't talk about my favorite team*

Oh he's a bad source. Really not concerned with who he picks but funny watching people defend and be adamant about things they don't have a clue about either

 

[Mpasta]

I think this would be better:
Vesey-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds

Flyers actually have everything the kid could want. Zero top 6 LWs in the system, likely a top 5 D for the next decade, a healthy cap once his ELC is up, best playmaking C-RW duo in the league to get passes from, competitive now and in the future. Only downside is his favorite team "used to be" a rival. Flyers would be a smart decision but I think we'll be saying I told you so 3 years from now when he's decaying in Boston or being shipped out of Chicago.

Best playmaking C-RW duo in the league? No.

Also, how would he be decaying in Boston in 3 years exactly?

How is that going to hurt Chicago and Boston?

Toews for example got a ridiculously expensive contract.
Krejci and Krug got payed.

Whether Chicago fans wants to admit it or not, the salary cap might catch up to them eventually and they might have a hard time paying Vesey because they pay Toews/Kane etc so much.

Bruins are notorious for shipping out young talent.

 

[Irishguy42]

*source doesn't talk about my favorite team*

Oh he's a bad source. Really not concerned with who he picks but funny watching people defend and be adamant about things they don't have a clue about either

No, there are bad sources that we can call out when linked to threads. Haggerty and Dater are two of them.

 

[Mjul Qvist]

Whether Chicago fans wants to admit it or not, the salary cap might catch up to them eventually and they might have a hard time paying Vesey because they pay Toews/Kane etc so much.

It´s true that salary cap structure might hurt Chicago but the way they treat players isn´t a problem at all.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

So tell me how is that going to hurt Chicago then?

You can hardly treat your players well and pay them if you probably can't afford them in the future.

 

[McFlyingV]

Who says he would be our fourth best prospect, you? I'm not buying the hype. Posts like this are what lead to unrealistic expectations. I'd certainly rank Zaitsev ahead of him in our prospect pool at the very least.

Right because unrealistic expectations for Zaitsev are any different than the ones some are putting on Vesey.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Reading Vesey's agent say he's also looking at how a team handles a player's second or third contract may hurt Chicago and Boston's chances.

How does that hurt Boston?

Chicago is the team who trades the players away. I can see that argument -- why would Vesey sign there to be traded somewhere two years later?

*source doesn't talk about my favorite team*

Oh he's a bad source. Really not concerned with who he picks but funny watching people defend and be adamant about things they don't have a clue about either

Haggs is indescribably a poor source. It's a bit embarrassing he is who represents the Bruins for CSNNE.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Right because unrealistic expectations for Zaitsev are any different than the ones some are putting on Vesey.

Performing well in the KHL is a lot different from the NCAA. Zaitsev is already good enough to be on his national team. He's earned higher expectations than Vesey.

 

[ClydeLee]

How does that hurt Boston?

Chicago is the team who trades the players away. I can see that argument -- why would Vesey sign there to be traded somewhere two years later?



Haggs is indescribably a poor source. It's a bit embarrassing he is who represents the Bruins for CSNNE.

How does that hurt Boston? Oh I don't know... all the high talent they've traded away is not high profile enough? It's "less" than Chicago but it's not a competition between the two, they both have done it and it comes with their success more than what the other teams in question have had the last decade, at least Toronto/Buffalo.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

The 2nd and 3rd contract could mean one of two things.

Sure, it could mean that he's looking for a longterm relationship to spend out most, if not all, of his career with one team, or he could also be viewing his first contract as an option to try to maximize his second contract.

Hawks would be crunched if Vesey is interested in the first, but for all we know his interest is in pulling a Panarin and try to get the best stats possible during his ELC to maximize his next contract. Chicago would be a good fit for the latter.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Performing well in the KHL is a lot different from the NCAA. Zaitsev is already good enough to be on his national team. He's earned higher expectations than Vesey.

Vesey has played for his national team as well.

 

[Fogelhund]

Who says he would be our fourth best prospect, you? I'm not buying the hype. Posts like this are what lead to unrealistic expectations. I'd certainly rank Zaitsev ahead of him in our prospect pool at the very least.

Don't buy the hype, that is your choice. Some of us do research and are informed, and well before the last few months... here is some free research for you.


As of March 2016

So how does Hockey News compile their drafted prospect rankings?

So how does it work? We start by consulting scouts from all 30 NHL franchises, who rank their organizations’ top 10 prospects who are not yet full-time NHLers, creating a pool of 300 players. We turn that list over to our scouting panel, which typically consists of 15 executives, head scouts and GMs, with the number fluctuating slightly year to year. Each member ranks the top 50 players from the group of 300. We then assemble the votes to create an aggregate top 50, which expands to the top 75 players who received top-50 votes.

This is how the executives, head scouts and GM's in the NHL ranked things...

1. Dylan Strome (Arizona)
2. William Nylander(Toronto)
3.Mitch Marner(Toronto)
4.Ivan Provorov (Philadelphia)
5. Mikko Rantanen(Colorado)
6. Zach Werenski(Columbus)
7.Ilya Samsonov(Washington)
8.Pavel Zacha (New jersey)
9. Kyle Connor (Winnipeg)
10. Christian Dvorak(Arizona)
14. Vesey
40. Kapanen

To add on to this, Vesey was ranked 8th in this years TSN's top 50 NHL affiliated prospects.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669

If the Leafs don't get Vesey it's not the end of the world, but talking him down is doing him a disservice. He'd easily be our top LW prospect, and probably the fourth best prospect. We could argue about Zaitsev, sure... at worse, fifth best.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Vesey has played for his national team as well.

I'm clearly talking about best on best. Really not tough to make the World Championship roster when most notable Americans want nothing to do with it. Zaitsev should be an important contributor in the World Cup.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Don't buy the hype, that is your choice. Some of us do research and are informed, and well before the last few months... here is some free research for you.


As of March 2016

So how does Hockey News compile their drafted prospect rankings?

So how does it work? We start by consulting scouts from all 30 NHL franchises, who rank their organizations’ top 10 prospects who are not yet full-time NHLers, creating a pool of 300 players. We turn that list over to our scouting panel, which typically consists of 15 executives, head scouts and GMs, with the number fluctuating slightly year to year. Each member ranks the top 50 players from the group of 300. We then assemble the votes to create an aggregate top 50, which expands to the top 75 players who received top-50 votes.

This is how the executives, head scouts and GM's in the NHL ranked things...

1. Dylan Strome (Arizona)
2. William Nylander(Toronto)
3.Mitch Marner(Toronto)
4.Ivan Provorov (Philadelphia)
5. Mikko Rantanen(Colorado)
6. Zach Werenski(Columbus)
7.Ilya Samsonov(Washington)
8.Pavel Zacha (New jersey)
9. Kyle Connor (Winnipeg)
10. Christian Dvorak(Arizona)
14. Vesey
40. Kapanen

To add on to this, Vesey was ranked 8th in this years TSN's top 50 NHL affiliated prospects.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669

If the Leafs don't get Vesey it's not the end of the world, but talking him down is doing him a disservice. He'd easily be our top LW prospect, and probably the fourth best prospect. We could argue about Zaitsev, sure... at worse, fifth best.

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

 

[Fogelhund]

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

Ok... well, that is something to note. I think I'll go with the opinions of NHL professional scouts over a message board consensus.

 

[Eric Sachs]

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

I definitely think he's hyped up and all but even if he's truly the 100th best NHL prospect out there.. I still imagine every team would take him for free. That would mean he's the average team's ~4th best prospect.

also, I don't think those rankings reflect much purely because Vesey has no fanbase promoting him.. and that tends to be how those kind of polls go. Not sure I'd go as high as 8th/14th but he's probably closer to that than he is 34th+.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Ok... well, that is something to note. I think I'll go with the opinions of NHL professional scouts over a message board consensus.

The TSN list was made exactly six months ago. That's a long time in prospect development. I'd be careful about assuming it represents the current landscape, but ymmv.

 

[FLYLine27*]

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

Really dude, your going by that? Everyone is so ******** that he isn't going to sign with their team so they aren't voting for him. He's a top 20 prospect.

 

[DKH]

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

Who voted on the Hockey News? Was that a fan thing also.

 

[Kitchener Boy]

Best playmaking C-RW duo in the league? No.

Also, how would he be decaying in Boston in 3 years exactly?




Whether Chicago fans wants to admit it or not, the salary cap might catch up to them eventually and they might have a hard time paying Vesey because they pay Toews/Kane etc so much.

Bruins are notorious for shipping out young talent.

Hamilton wanted to be moved Vesey knows these things.
Seguin was a Peter Chiarelli trade as was Kessel.

It's more like Chiarelli is notorious for trading young talent.

 

[Kitchener Boy]

On the polls board they're up to 34th on the prospect rankings and Vesey is still on the board. Judging by the thread, he's not particularly close to taking a spot soon either...he had zero votes right now.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2114605

So acting all condescending and mocking those who don't think Vesey is a top 15 prospect seems a little much. Clearly the majority here don't think he's anything close to that.

A HF poll so what. It's basically a homer board.

 

[Soundgarden]

Don't buy the hype, that is your choice. Some of us do research and are informed, and well before the last few months... here is some free research for you.


As of March 2016

So how does Hockey News compile their drafted prospect rankings?

So how does it work? We start by consulting scouts from all 30 NHL franchises, who rank their organizations’ top 10 prospects who are not yet full-time NHLers, creating a pool of 300 players. We turn that list over to our scouting panel, which typically consists of 15 executives, head scouts and GMs, with the number fluctuating slightly year to year. Each member ranks the top 50 players from the group of 300. We then assemble the votes to create an aggregate top 50, which expands to the top 75 players who received top-50 votes.

This is how the executives, head scouts and GM's in the NHL ranked things...

1. Dylan Strome (Arizona)
2. William Nylander(Toronto)
3.Mitch Marner(Toronto)
4.Ivan Provorov (Philadelphia)
5. Mikko Rantanen(Colorado)
6. Zach Werenski(Columbus)
7.Ilya Samsonov(Washington)
8.Pavel Zacha (New jersey)
9. Kyle Connor (Winnipeg)
10. Christian Dvorak(Arizona)
14. Vesey
40. Kapanen

To add on to this, Vesey was ranked 8th in this years TSN's top 50 NHL affiliated prospects.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669

If the Leafs don't get Vesey it's not the end of the world, but talking him down is doing him a disservice. He'd easily be our top LW prospect, and probably the fourth best prospect. We could argue about Zaitsev, sure... at worse, fifth best.

I'm sorry, but he was Nashville's fourth best prospect, only after suspicion he wouldn't sign did he come on anybody's radar. He does have top 6 potential and he's NHL ready, but to call him a top 15 prospect is laughable.

 

[wintersej]

For me it will either be Chicago or Boston.

For Chicago to maximize his $$$ on second contract and win now, Boston to be near his ailing father.

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

Over the last few years, playing for Chicago has increased the value of that 2nd contract.

Saad - 6
Shaw - 3.9
Leddy - 5.5
Kruger - 3.9

Take a player like Shaw and start his career in Arizona, he doesnt get near that value.